The Shooting Star Press

[Guest Paranoid]

I know that Kidman hasn't been on TV a lot til late, but now that he's been on Smackdown a couple of times the announcers are constantly talking about how the SSP is the prettiest move in the business. They never really used to do this. They would say things like it was impressive and whatnot now and again, but it seems like they are CONSTANTLY trying to get the SSP over when Kidman is in the ring.

 

Is this by chance foreshadowing for Lesnar and Survivor Series? I downloaded Brock doing the SSP in the OVW and that was very impressive. Kidman's looks awesome, but a man Brock's size doing it is unbelievable!

[Guest ISportsFan]

I don't know.

 

I mean, every single PPV match this guy has, everybody on the board thinks that Brock will pull the SSP out of his 'bag of tricks' and he has yet to do it.

 

I still think this match is designed to show Brock can have a huge power surge and pick Big Show up. I don't care either way (because Big Show is involved), but I believe there will be no Shooting Brock Press.

 

Jason

[Guest AndrewTS]

Damnit, Brock is never going to do it in WWE.

 

1) It would show up HHH. Who is smaller but slower and less agile.

 

2) It's too risky. Hayabusa, a guy who did it for a loooong time, fucked it up majorly once. (See the FMW "The Flying Assassin: Beyond the Mask of Hayabusa" DVD). When I saw it, it made me sick thinking of the botched Lionsault that did end his career. Vince would NEVER risk his Golden Boy having to end his career so quickly for the sake of a move that would pop the crowd.

[Guest Human Fly]

It will turn him face if he does it. JR said they are going to let the fans decide if Brock is a face or a heel. If he did bust out the SSP in MSG it would turn him face. That's if MSG doesn't turn him face all the way like Summerslam almost did in the same part of the country.

[Guest dreamer420]

It all depends on if Brock can really lift the Big Show for the F-5. Obviously Brock will be going over at Survivor Series, but the big question surrounding this match is if he can lift the Big Show up for the F-5 or not. I'd say that if he can't he might end up pulling the Shooting Star Press out because he will need something big to beat that sloth.

[Guest Paranoid]

I started a thread a week or so ago about if Brock could F5 Show. But it just got shuffled aside. I think he can, but I am not sure if Show will be much help to Brock while doing it. That is alot of weight!

[Guest AndrewTS]

I started a thread a week or so ago about if Brock could F5 Show. But it just got shuffled aside. I think he can, but I am not sure if Show will be much help to Brock while doing it. That is alot of weight!

Shuffled aside? I thought it got tons of replies?! Although I do think there were at least two, so that could have been it.

 

The general consensus among the board members here seems to be "yes, he can do it," so I don't think there would be a need for the Shooting Star.

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

If they wanted to build kind of a breakup between Brock and Heyman, Brock would do the SSP on Show. Heyman already claimed that Brock couldn't beat Show because he couldn't F5 him. So, have Brock try the F5 and fail due to Show's fatassedness then have Brock win with the SSP. Then Brock can start running smack about how wrong Heyman was during his little speech about "People like me making decisions for people like you". Heyman gets angry and tries to exert more control over Brock, Brock gets angry and tries to become more independant (talking for himself, etc.), and it all builds up to Brock squashing Paul at some point in the indefinite future.

 

Then Paul comes back with Rhyno and we have more hoss-on-hoss violence and Benoit can keep wrestling Angle in their best of infinity series and Los Guerreros can feud with Mysterio/Edge.

 

BTW: Andrew not EVERYONE is a member of the board. I imagine there are lots o' marks and smarks alike who haven't seen Brock do the SSP and would go nuts over it. I've even got the video of it and I'd still mark out. Plus although safety is a factor face it: with Show there it'd be just like Brock landing on a big ol pillow anyway .

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Brock's SSP is more like Johnny B Badd's "Wildthing"...the way Kidman does it is he kicks his feet out from under him and flips his body over...had a lazy look to it, makes it look cooler...Brock seems to take a springy bounce when he does his...still impressive though.

 

Like Jason said though, it seems like every time he has a big match this topic comes up, we all thought he would pull it at Summerslam and didn't. But with them hyping Show as a guy he can't lift we'll see.

[Guest Anglesault]

Wow. The Much famed but never witnessed Lesnar SSP.

 

This is me.

 

::Tries to care, really does. Fails miserably::

 

This is me not caring.

[Guest Anglesault]

, Brock gets angry and tries to become more independant (talking for himself, etc.),

Oh, goodie. More Brock promos. Bust out the oxygen tank.

[Guest NoCalMike]

It might be too big of a risk having someone like Brock do that move too much. If he does it on PPV to beat show, I am sure the fans are going to want to see it in every match, and someone the size of Lesnar should not being doing the SSP too much.

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

Could be worse 'sault. They could drag this "feud" out another month and have a blown-up Show trying to cut promos after a 3 minute squash. Just because we THINK he can't cut a promo (and apparently the WWE didn't either hence Heyman's presence) doesn't mean he can't improve you know. Not EVERYONE is a natural at mic work. Shoot even Angle was pretty formulaic at the start:

 

"I'm a gold medal winner!"

 

"I'm the best athlete in the WWF!"

 

"You people here in (insert city) should see me as a hero, not (insert face)!"

 

"(More random cheap heel heat via cutting down the city and it's residents)"

 

Sure I'm simplifying it but c'mon, that was how Angle was for much of his first few months. This isn't meant as a slight on Angle, because I love his work on the mic and in the ring. It's just to show that people's work can improve given practice. Brock hasn't gotten that chance much because either Paul's talked for him or he's just responding to someone (a la Undertaker). Just let him work on it some and try to reevaluate him rather than letting first impressions determine how you see him from now until the end of his career.

[Guest MixxMaster]

I feel that Brock WILL bust out the Shooting Star Press, just not until the Grandaddy-Of-Them-All, Wrestlemania. It wouldn't make much sense for him to use it until the biggest show of all PPV's.

As for the move turning him face, well...he obviously already IS turning face(this is SO obvious, I shouldn't have to and won't even elaborate). Besides, a move alone cannot make one a face, or heel. It's how things are done from the whole character that does. For example, if Brock did break out the Shooting Star Press, and then followed it up with a strong heel promo and actions, essentially stating that he can beat anyone, using any way(Whether it's on the mat, or in the air) he wants.

And no, it won't show up HHH, or anyone else. HHH isn't even on Smackdown!, so it's a moot point saying this. It's a real shame that whenever something is up for discussion, someone has to play the "Evil HHH" card...

Oh, and if Old Baldy could slam Andre, then Brock can DEFINATELY F5 (browser refresh!) The Big Slow Giant...

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Wait a second - if the plan is for Brock to be Champion up until Wrestlemania (i.e. he will LOSE at Wrestlemania), then busting out the Shooting Star Press there isn't the best idea, as Angle (if it's him) will have to kick out of it.

 

I'm not saying that it'll never happen, but I am definitely not holding my breath that the SSP is coming. Not after four or five PPVs in a row where people were 'assured' that 'this is the one where he debuts it'. Um, yeah.

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm not saying that it'll never happen, but I am definitely not holding my breath that the SSP is coming. Not after four or five PPVs in a row where people were 'assured' that 'this is the one where he debuts it'. Um, yeah.

Hell, I have no proof that the move exists.

[Guest Paranoid]

You can download it from KazAa. It looks really awesome.

[Guest Anglesault]

So...I should completely go out of my way, download kazaa, download a poor audio/lighting bootlegged video of some random OVW show that is probably an enormous file and may have a virus just for the "privilege" of seeing this move. No Thank You.

[Guest MixxMaster]

sheesh, who pissed in your Wheaties, Anglesault???

The clip is only about 8 seconds long, and is 938 kb, and the quality isn't as bad as some of the other video clips that have been posted through here.

 

 

And who says that Brock WILL lose at WM? For all we know, he may lose before then, and win the title back as a big face at Wrestlemania...

[Guest Paranoid]

If you aren't already a KazAa then I wouldn't worry about it either. It is quit impressive, but not worth downloading the software just for that.

[Guest Anglesault]

And who says that Brock WILL lose at WM? For all we know, he may lose before then, and win the title back as a big face at Wrestlemania...

Now if THAT can't get me to order...

[Guest red_file]

So...I should completely go out of my way, download kazaa, download a poor audio/lighting bootlegged video of some random OVW show that is probably an enormous file and may have a virus just for the "privilege" of seeing this move.

Only if you really require proof that he can do the move. Consider it an idiot's prerogative.

[Guest Anglesault]

Oh, I'm sure he CAN do it. But until I see it with my own eyes on WWF TV, I don't give a fuck. Check that. Even if I DO see it, I still won't care. But at least I'll know.

[Guest Human Fly]

And who says that Brock WILL lose at WM? For all we know, he may lose before then, and win the title back as a big face at Wrestlemania...

 

Or if he turns face while still the Champ he never loses the title, and wins at 'Mania.

[Guest red_file]

There might be some flaws in your logic, but what else is new. Why spend a significant amount of time debating something you don't care about? Obviously there's some sort of vested interest there, presumably stemming from perceived misuse of other similar talent. It's amusing.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

And who says that Brock WILL lose at WM? For all we know, he may lose before then, and win the title back as a big face at Wrestlemania...

 

Or if he turns face while still the Champ he never loses the title, and wins at 'Mania.

I find that to be highly unlikely.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

oooo! You know what this board needs? More threads where people try and talk Sault into something and it goes on for 3 pages!

 

Anyway, I'm really hoping for Brock to go for the F5 and then blow it, let's face it, that would be hilarious. That said, Brock could do the shooting star to become mega face. The problem is that any non retarded booking plans for WM lead to big heel Brock losing. If they are going to turn Brock back to heel soon, and I certainly hope so, people would cheer him anyway because he can do a shooting star. It would be pointless for him to use it on Show.

 

And am I the only one who would like to see Brock debut it at WM, only for Angle to kick out and run his ass over? (AS is not allowed to answer this question.)

[Guest Human Fly]

I find that to be highly unlikely.

 

If someone would've told you that 6 months after Brock debuted he would pin the Rock clean in the middle of the ring at Summerslam to win the title despite not being over even though that he defeated pretty much the entire roster clean would you have believed it?

[Guest Paranoid]

I find that to be highly unlikely.

 

If someone would've told you that 6 months after Brock debuted he would pin the Rock clean in the middle of the ring at Summerslam to win the title despite not being over even though that he defeated pretty much the entire roster clean would you have believed it?

No. That's a good point.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

So? Does that mean I should expect him to get an eight month plus title reign? This is WWE we're talking about - do you not recall the four Undisputed title reigns this year that were less than two months long?

 

Then again, especially after reading the Ross Report, Lesnar is WWE's sacred cash show, who is supposedly the next Stone Cold and who will lead the new generation to years of prosperity, making Vince a billionaire again.