Big Show....WWE doing it right....

[Guest NoCalMike]

Well ok besides the fact that the guy can't wrestle worth a lick(which WWE caresless about anyway) I would have to say that AT LEAST, they are pushing him into the only plausible character that a "giant" should be. I mean, why hasn't WWE done this with the big show since day 1? Didn't they know it would be career suicide to make him into the goofy fun-loving giant, when someday they might actually need him to be a monster heel?? I was hoping that somehow Paul would get back into shape like his days in WCW, so at least while I was scoffing at his matches, I could still be impressed with his character. The one big question though is. What does Big Show do after he puts over Brock?? I mean if he stays down this path where he is UNBEATABLE, does it mean others on the card will be jobbing to him, or will he just disappear again and re-create the jokester gimmick in order to make everyone forget about everything all over again?? Geez, I can't believe I posted a thread about The Big Show, hahaha.....

[Guest BA_Baracus]

I agree.

 

The Big Show sucks, but Paul Heyman is making the best of a bad situation as head booker on Smackdown.

 

Big Show's actually become semi-credible fairly quickly...

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

Paul Heyman is the Jesus Christ of wrestling, Vince McMahon is your Satan. Unfortunately in this case the ultimate evil has far more power over the son of a God.

 

Big Show sucks, Survivor Series has sucked since Shawn left the main event in '96 and the WWE fuckin' SUCKS

 

I, however, rule

 

Illusion - Closest thing to God you will ever experience

[Guest buffybeast]

It's just impossible for me to buy Heyman's "you can't beat him" rant to Lesnar. I mean really, wasn't it just yesterday that Show was jobbed out to Jeff Hardy? How can I forget that, let alone all the stupid, goofy shit Show has been involved in?

[Guest Si82]

It's just impossible for me to buy Heyman's "you can't beat him" rant to Lesnar.  I mean really, wasn't it just yesterday that Show was jobbed out to Jeff Hardy?  How can I forget that, let alone all the stupid, goofy shit Show has been involved in?

I totally agree. They can push Big Show to the moon but after all the crap he has been involved in I can't take him seriously. That speech that Paul Heyman made about Brock not being able to beat the Big Show was just laughable. I will agree that Paul Heyman is making the best of a bad situation but having the Big Show come out every week and squash people and cut mind numbingly boring interviews isn't going to make me think he's going to the win the WWE Championship at Survivor Series. Or ever for that matter.

[Guest Goodear]

It's not that Show is being heralded as being unbeatable in WWE land, they're just making it seem as though Brock will not be able to overpower him. And since Brock has not done anything in WWE competition but throw opponents around the ring, Show is a really bad matchup for him and negates most of Brock's normal advantages. It's about the only way this push could work, and kudos to the SmackDown! crew for acknowleging that.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

The push would have made more sense if he hadn't been jobbing to Booker T and Meth Party Jeffy Hardy weeks before we start feuding with Brock.

 

Last two matches against Booker.

-Cage match, lost

-Falls count anywhere, won, but he needed a Jericho run in and he looked like hell in the match.

 

They should have planned a little further ahead.

[Guest Mazelmavin]

Goodear hit it on the button.

 

Up until now, Brock has overpowered his opponents. He lifts them up for an F5. He throws them around. He manhandles everyone. But Show is 500 pounds (or so they say). Brock can't overpower Show. It is, indeed a bad match up for Brock.

 

Jeff and Booker do not use strength to defeat their opponents. They use speed and finesse (when Jeff is hitting his spots). This is a bad match up for Show. I will, however concede that Show's push should have started a month or two before it did.

 

So when Brock beats Show it will either be a feat of unbelievable strength or more likely by using something other then power. Perhaps we will start to see some technical wrestling from Brock, maybe even a shooting start press. I think the goal of this match is to show the Brock Lesner is not just another strong Hoss, but a skilled wrestler who happens to be big as well.

 

We all know who is going to win. The casual viewer (if any are left) know Brock is going to when. It is how Brock wins that matters.

[Guest El Satanico]

If Big Show was considered a credible wrestler that could win the title before the build up of Lesnar vs. Big Show then alot of people would actually be interested in this match.

 

The great build up of the match is wasted, because of the lack of recent credible pushes for Big Show.

 

However if they are planning on trying to restablish Big Show as a threat then they are off to a good start.

[Guest Boseephus Jones]

The problem with the Big Show is the same problem that most really big men face. As they are never good wrestlers, they only way for them to become over is to be pushed on the merits of their size and invincibility resultling from their size.

 

They are doing this with Big Show now and it is working. I like it, it may not be a match of the year candidate, but some matches can be entertaining without being a technical masterpiece. They could easily tell a story in the match at Surviviour Series to make it entertaining. Lesnar could go for a few of his power moves at the beginning of the match only to have his back strained. Show can work on this the whole match, only to have Brock come back and win with something other than his power moves (maybe Shooting Star Press). And as long as this don't go too long, (say 15 minutes max) they can make it interesting.

 

That being said, where do they go after this? Brock IS winning, and if he don't (slim to none chances) he will surely beat Show in a rematch. This presents a BIG problem.

 

Once these giants get beaten their only drawing card, their invincibility, is taken away from them. They can build him up again, which they surely will, for a feud with the Taker when he returns. But, the point is, he will lose again, and he can only lose so many times before that aura of invincibility disappears again.

 

Show was good. Not a good wrestler, but a good character. When he debuted in the WWF he made a big splash and was entertaining for a few months because he was pushed as the invincibile big man. But once he started losing to Rock, Austin, Foley etc. his only way of getting popular was taken away from them.

 

Granted, wrestling fans are famous for forgetfullness, and someone like the Show can get over even though he was jobbed to every man and his dog over a month ago. But, Austin was once jobbing to Savio Vega, and HHH was once jobbing to Henry Godwinn and the list goes on. You CAN reinvent yourself in the WWF, that is the beauty of this business. No matter how many times someone fails, they do have a chance of still making it big.

 

But, the problem in the Big Show's case, that the other aforemetioned didn't have to confront is that his character is limited. People can get over by reinventing their character. Big Show, for the most part, can't. The only way he can get over is by playingthe "unstoppable monster" card. This was used once before and is being used again (quite effectively I may ad), but you cannot recycle the same gimmick over and over again.

 

I believe, even though he is not the best wrestler, he DOES have a niche to fill. Big Show will lose to Lesnar, and he will lose again in the near future. The questions are: How many times can he lose before he is back to where he was before and what do you do to keep him over?

 

Remember, Andre was never the same after he lost to Hogan. Yoko was never the same after he lost to Bret. How can Show break this pattern?

[Guest BifEverchad]

I'm thinking the 'Show is a lost cause. I mean, either way you look at it he's basically done for. If he wins, he wont be accepted as the Champion and therefore will lose it quickly and fade into the background yet again. If he loses, which in all likeliness he will, he'll just continue to work the midcard and again, fade into the background. Nothing is really accomplished from this Big Show "experiment", other than the fact that he is a space filler for the time being.

[Guest NoCalMike]

If they want to re-create him, just bring back Kevin Sullivan and the the gang to reform the Dungeon of Doom.......hehehe just kidding.

[Guest jester]

I don't buy this "Brock can't overpower Show" argument. There have been just too many people, big, small, young, old, who have beaten him. And Brock tossed Rikishi around, and while he's not as a tall as Show, he's still no featherweight.

 

They should have had Show vanish for awhile, come back with his new look (and slimmed down). Make up some story about how he has been training really hard or meditating on being one with chaos or some shit. Then give him a winning streak with the midcarders that were beating him. Then give him someone higher up the chain to beat. THEN send him to Lesnar.

 

If Brock is used to overpowering quick little guys, why is it that guys like Jeff Hardy or RVD never went over guys like HHH and the Undertaker? I mean, besides the backstage horseshit.

[Guest wwF1587]

First off I have always hated the Big Slow... he has and always will be a useless piece of shit to me. I cant say much about this.... I am still stunned that in one month.. Big Slow went from RAW jobber to WWE contendership just like that.....

[Guest Choken One]

Here is the situation, For once, WWE actully created a solid build up involving Brock Lesnar as Champion, no wifes, no unborn children, simple old school booking.

 

The sell of the match is simply "Can Brock over power Show". The answer is of course he can, the only reason people would be interested in this match is this question "HOW DOES HE BEAT SHOW" if he can't f5 him, then what alternative does Lesnar have up his proverbial sleeve.

 

 

Injury or no injury, Brock HAS to go over or it's ruined. 8 months of televison all for naught. They can't end a undefeated streak to a man whom was not just long ago vacant from PPV for a string of months, and no he wasn't making movies or 10-10-220 commercials. Whatever they do later is meaningless for now.

 

Regardless of your beliefs of Show, he is still considered one of the most amazing physical specimans known to earth. He must be considered WWE's greatest contractual failure, even more then Scott Hall. He easily could have recreated the magic of Andre, Paul is twice as funny and charming as Andre was and is certaintly better looking and intelligent.

Dispite our jokes, he kept himself in FAR better shape then Andre ever did after his peak was reached.

 

Is it over? It might just be.