Some Survivor Series Notes

[Guest BoboBrazil]

Some notes for Sunday's show. They added last night William Regal & Lance Storm vs. Goldust & Hurricane to the show. Do you realize how weak or non-existent the build-up was for the Raw brand matches except the Elimination chamber. It was like they never even thought about it for a month, and then this week, just threw two matches together. The cracked rib for Lesnar may force their hand. We've received one report that he'll be out of action for about six weeks after the show. Most figure he's hurting far more than anyone is letting on. Actually, they could have him win if they want and have Show brutalize him after to where he's stripped or even putting the belt on ice for a few weeks by keeping it on him while he rests. That isn't the company's usual way of thinking and I don't expect it to happen. In that way, he heroically overcame the odds, but still has a program to come back with in a gimmick rematch with Show. Most figure from the TV that Paul Heyman ends up with Show feuding with Lesnar. Last I heard, Scott Steiner is scheduled to be at the show and on Raw Monday. For the life of me, I can't understand why him being at the PPV wasn't pushed hard this week on both Raw and Smackdown. Let's just say that Sunday won't be Shawn's last match.

 

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[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

*cries*

 

So Brock went over everyone just to job to Big Show.

 

*cries again*

 

RVD, Booker, Jericho and even Kane are nothing more than jobbing pawns in the HHH/HBK war that has lost so many viewers.

[Guest BoboBrazil]

So, it in fact does look like the torch was correct in its report that HBK and Big Show will be winning. Of course, HHH will only job the title a month to another kliq buddy and not someone who actually needs the win to get over. Like Steph said in the chat last night they give the fans what they want

[Guest Brian]

It says he might be out six. It's not confirmed. Just hope they're smarter than that.

[Guest TheArchiteck]

This sunday will be a dissapointing night.

Only if Stiener shows up during Brock/Show to end it in a DQ..

[Guest Human Fly]

*cries*

 

So Brock went over everyone just to job to Big Show.

 

*cries again*

 

That hadn't even occured to me until just now........what a load of crap if it goes down. Especially when they sacrificed RVD when he was red hot over and Booker right after his face turn.

[Guest razazteca]

Steiner could give Brock the Lead Pipe of Doom to the ribs and Show could throw Brock off the ramp again, as reasons for Brock's time off.

[Guest Trivia247]

Just want to Thank all you Taker Haters who bitched and Moaned for Taker to Put over Brock... and now... Brock loses to Big Show.... Big Show must be far superior to Taker for brock to job to him right....

 

heh I know its only because of Brock's injury that will cause the title switch and Big Show will probably lose the belt to Angle or Benoit a week later....

 

Just wanna rub some salt in your woulds bwahahaha

[Guest DJ Jeff]

If Lesnar will have to miss six weeks, then I'd rather have Stephanie strip him of the title, and have a tournament held with the final two guys facing each other at Armageddon, and the winner becoming the new WWE Champion. Hey, that's better than the Big Show winning the title by a long shot. As for the Elimination Chamber match, if I had to pick between HHH and HBK winning, I'd have to go with HBK. Though, more than likely, this would result in a rematch between both HHH and HBK at Armageddon, where HHH wins the World Title back. That's why, I'm hoping that RVD, Booker T, or Kane wins. If Jericho won, that would either mean him and Christian would have to lose the Tag Team Titles, or the titles would take a backseat seeing as how Jericho would be the World Champion.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I severely hope they let Lesnar go over Big Show.

 

Hell, Bret Hart was injured for the longest time when he was in his last WWF Title reign, right?

 

Why not have Lesnar take some time off while holding the belt?

 

...oh, wait, I know...because that would be a SMART thing to do.

 

Ain't WWE Logic grand? [/sarcasm]

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

You *Do* know why Storm/Regal vs. Hurricane/Goldust is one the show right?

 

*hears sirens*

[Guest Brian]

"Who will win? Who should win? Well, Triple H is magnanimously suggesting that Michaels wins the match and the title. Then they can have their singles rematch next month with Triple H winning. It seems to make the most sense in the short-term. It's not much of a sacrifice for Triple H, though, since if he loses, it will be in part because five wrestlers ganged up on him. He'll have no trouble saving face on Raw the next night as he explains that the only reason he lost to the washed up shell Michaels is because he had four helpers. Then he can prove that's the case the next month."

 

Torch

[Guest Anglesault]

Wow, it just hit me. All this time in the push from hell, all the victims, all the effort. To end now, with no pay off. Somehow, that's fitting of the WWF in 2002. Oh, by the way, I'd just like to remind everyone that it was me who said that no good could come from this push.

[Guest Brian]

It is fitting, but can you truthfully say you wouldn't have anyone near the main event scene, even Edge who you despise, get the win.

 

Good can come from this push. If they handle it correctly.But if this is how Brock loses, it's wasted. If it's to Angle at Mania who steps right into the mix with Benoit, Eddy, and Edge afterwards; and Rhyno steps in to help Heyman and take on Brock the main event scene takes on a ton of depth because of just getting one guy over. Plus, Mysterio who will probably have the cruiser belt by then, and Chavo coming off a three-month tag title reign, will both be credible.

[Guest Anglesault]

It is fitting, but can you truthfully say you wouldn't have anyone near the main event scene, even Edge who you despise, get the win.

 

No one is booked in such a way that they would be a credible champion at this point. (Maybe, maybe Edge)

 

But if this is how Brock loses, it's wasted. If it's to Angle at Mania

 

It it's to this incarnation, it's a bigger waste. Have Angle end the push from hell, then show up on SD! and go right back to being a blithering idiot? That's stupid. They haven't even started to make Angle look competant (A winning streak and dropping the idiot segments would go A LONG way) if brock loses it to a loser, it's almost as bad as losing it to Big Show

[ChrisMWaters 0]

They haven't even started to make Angle look competant (A winning streak and dropping the idiot segments would go A LONG way)

How many people actually pay attention to winning streaks?

 

Hell, Ric Flair probably lost more matches than he won, but he is one of the most recognizable people in the company today.

 

And no offense to any Flair fans, but I thought most of his interviews were too crazy.

[Guest Anglesault]

I mean play it up. Make Angle look kind of unbeatable. A man on a mission. Other wise it's Unbeatable monster vs. a Guy who was always "win some, lose some" and in reality, is on a fairly massive losing streak alot of the time. If they do irresistable force and immovable object, it might build intrigue.

 

Ric Flair is also Ric Flair.

[Guest RedJed]

Hell, Ric Flair probably lost more matches than he won, but he is one of the most recognizable people in the company today.

I agree with you on that most fans don't give a shit abotu wins and losses, especially in Angles case, thats not the key to putting him in another echelon, because frankly, he's already there. He could be the next contender for the world title in a split second and he would come off credible in the process. I notice he made a line on Smackdown in the ring about him being a damn good wrestler or something like that, and he hardly got ANY heat for it. That tells me the fans know its true, yet don't want to cheer it since he's a heel. Anyway, thats credibility in a sort of different way.

 

Now about the Flair thing, he was the same way back in the day as Angle. He won some and lost some but the main gist of Flair was he was a consomant ring general and fans knew it. He was able to jump back and forth into title runs and title feuds with no problem.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Other wise it's Unbeatable monster vs. a Guy who was always "win some, lose some" and in reality, is on a fairly massive losing streak alot of the time.

So basically...Bret Hart and Yokozuna from WrestleMania's 9 and 10 then?

[Guest humongous2002]

OK let me get this straight, that fat piece of untalented gigantic shit Big Slow breaks Lesnar ribs at a house show, and he gets the title handed to him???????!!!!!!!

Then on the RAW side Vince decides that one of the 2 cripples are good enough to carry the show??????Hasn't he seen the fuckin ratings??????????Nobody wants to see RAW IS KLIQ, i think i better give NWA TNA a second chance.

[Guest Brian]

Angle is credible enough that you could place him in a title match at any point and time and people think he can win.

[Guest cabbageboy]

I've been thinking about this and in a way it might not hurt to job Brock out to the Big Show. Above all, Brock should not have a streak a la GB. This essentially ends his streak without him jobbing to someone in a way that would hurt his career. For example, would you rather have HHH end Brock's unbeaten streak, or just have Big Show get a flukish sort of win while Brock has bad ribs, and then have Brock kill him in the rematch?

 

The sucky aspect of this is that Michaels/HHH feuding over the title is exactly what the doctor DID NOT order at this point. I have to question if this blowoff should even be at a nothing PPV like Armageddon. It cheapens Michaels' novelty appearances.

 

The lousy aspect of it is that while those two feud in their own little world of crap, what do these other guys do? Booker and Jericho can feud with each other I guess. Kane can team more with Hurricane or fight Batista (and job to the newcomer). I have no clue what RVD is going to do at this point. Job to Steiner?

 

RVD has been mishandled for a long time. It was curious that he went over virtually everyone on the roster when he first got there, but not even then did he have a real direction with a feud. He was tossed into the match with Jericho for no good reason last year, then tossed into the main event with Austin and Angle. It's bizarre since the fans love the guy, the marketing dept. markets him quite a bit (take a look at the posters for the PPV and phone calls, etc.). The bookers are the only ones who don't.

[Guest Anglesault]

Other wise it's Unbeatable monster vs. a Guy who was always "win some, lose some" and in reality, is on a fairly massive losing streak alot of the time.

So basically...Bret Hart and Yokozuna from WrestleMania's 9 and 10 then?

Perfect example. Before and after that, Bret constantly farted around in pointless, useless, midcard feuds, and he isn't the megastar he really should have been, maybe because of that. Angle is following Eerily in bret's footsteps.

[Guest HartFan86]

Angle is following Eerily in bret's footsteps.

Angle 2002 = Bret 1995

Angle 2001 = Bret 1994

Angle 2000 = Bret 1993.

 

 

Weird.

[Guest Anglesault]

Angle is following Eerily in bret's footsteps.

Angle 2002 = Bret 1995

Angle 2001 = Bret 1994

Angle 2000 = Bret 1993.

 

 

Weird.

This is a like a fucked up play off Cornette's seven year statute of limitations in wrestling.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Other wise it's Unbeatable monster vs. a Guy who was always "win some, lose some" and in reality, is on a fairly massive losing streak alot of the time.

So basically...Bret Hart and Yokozuna from WrestleMania's 9 and 10 then?

Perfect example. Before and after that, Bret constantly farted around in pointless, useless, midcard feuds, and he isn't the megastar he really should have been, maybe because of that. Angle is following Eerily in bret's footsteps.

Up here Bret's bigger than Hogan or Flair. He isn't in the US only because the way Vince has buried him after the screwjob, not in the mid-90s.

[Guest Downhome]

I just want to chime in and say that if Brock is going to miss time, then I WANT him to drop the title, period. I don't want six weeks to go by with no Champion, I am not into that.

 

If he will loose it, I want to see Paul Heyman turn on him (obviously), and help TBS win the title, becoming his "agent" instead. It could do wonders for TBS, and will make Brocky, one hell of a face, especially for his return.

[Guest Anglesault]

But...We don't want wonders to be done for the Fat Show.

[Guest Downhome]

I do, he could be a great addition if they allowed him to be. If he is to be a monster, a huge heel, etc... then I'm all for it.

[Guest Anglesault]

I do, he could be a great addition if they allowed him to be.

A great addition to WHAT? The catering crew?