Guest Breetai Report post Posted November 16, 2002 Particularly the 'you've just dumped me on my head and I assure you I'll sell it soon but first let me drop you with a lariat.... there' kind. It's not without it's certain charm. What do others think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DEAN RASMUSSEN Report post Posted November 16, 2002 Particularly the 'you've just dumped me on my head and I assure you I'll sell it soon but first let me drop you with a lariat.... there' kind. It's not without it's certain charm. What do others think? There is nothing in the world of wrestling I hate more than All Japan delayed selling. DEAN RASMUSSEN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Black Tiger Report post Posted November 16, 2002 El Samurai vs. Masao Orihara from the TOSJ 1003, they spent a good five minutes not selling each others pile driver then doing their own pile driver, THEN selling the one they just took. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nevermortal Report post Posted November 16, 2002 I find it kinda cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tim Cooke Report post Posted November 16, 2002 Depends on the situation. Most of the time it blows but I have seen it used effectivly by Kawada numerous times. Tim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted November 16, 2002 A little of it goes a long way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted November 16, 2002 Particularly the 'you've just dumped me on my head and I assure you I'll sell it soon but first let me drop you with a lariat.... there' kind. It's not without it's certain charm. What do others think? There is nothing in the world of wrestling I hate more than All Japan delayed selling. DEAN RASMUSSEN. Dean! I like it, but it has to happen once in a long while. When the guy is in midair and I can call him landing on his head and popping right back up, it's time to throw socks at the tv. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jubuki Report post Posted November 16, 2002 'Tis the dumbest thing ever invented by men. That, and the college party. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffin Surfer Report post Posted November 17, 2002 I like Delayed Selling used with Strikes. Hansen did that alot, and it always worked. His opponent would land a big strike, putting him out, but before he would go down he would clobber them with the Western Lariat. Very rarely does it work with head bumps. Especially if a head bump knocks a guy out earlier, than later in the match he can just bounce on to his feet and run after a taking a head bump. It's like the infamous Kobashi/Williams 93 match. One minute he's dead, the next he can bounces on to his feet and wobble around. Their selling backwards instead of forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest McLeary Report post Posted November 17, 2002 Kobashi-Misawa 1-97 has one of my favorite sequences ever in regard to delayed selling: Kenta can't get the jujigatame on Misawa's hurt arm earlier in the match, so he dumps hm with a release german suplex, knowing full well he's coming right back up for the running elbow,and when he does--boom, judo throw right into the jujigatame. The delayed sell pisses me off when its used more than once or twice in a match, but I like it if the worker in question can make it seem plausible. I liken it to running the last 20 or 30 feet in a marathon: you're exhausted and in pain, but to get what you want, you go all out down that last stretch, then you collapse. Used sparingly, I'm okay with t. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DragonflyKid Report post Posted November 17, 2002 I'm an admitted fan of goofy wrestling so of course I like the delayed selling, as long as they don't go overboard with it I think it's fine. One wrestler hits a move and his opponent has just enough adrenaline to retaliate before feeling the effects of the previous move. Kawada is great at teasing this, sometimes he'll try to get up as if he will be able to get a retaliation shot in but starts staggering and goes down. The crowd oohs at Kawada's attempt to get up then aahs when Kawada doesn't have enough to complete the retaliation. I loved the part in the Kobashi/Kawada 6/12/98 match where Kobashi gave Kawada a Lariat, Kawada went down but got up stumbling around before hitting a jumping kick to Kobashi's face. I love the unpredictibility of the delayed-sell, will a move have enough impact to put a wrestler down?, will the wrestler have enough in him to retaliate out of desperation before giving in completely to the effects of the move. The 1/97 sequence McLeary brought up was something I didn't get right off the bat. It's part of the head-dropping psychology. One of them would hit a big move like the Half-nelson Suplex but instead of going for the pin they would go for a submission move knowing that a single high-impact move wouldn't be enough at that time to put their opponent away so they had to continue softening them up in various ways. The effects of the big move would only serve as an opening to get a submission hold on their opponent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Evil Ash Report post Posted November 17, 2002 Gah, Kojima's delayed selling has killed nary a good match... Edited to make post make some sort of sense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wolverine Report post Posted November 17, 2002 "Gah, Kojima's delayed selling as killed narey a good match..." What? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest deadbeater Report post Posted November 22, 2002 Nobody but nobody does delayed selling better than Jerry Mouse. Ok, maybe Jackie Gayda, but no one else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ShooterJay Report post Posted November 22, 2002 I think delayed selling actually is sort of realistic, and doesn't take away from the match at all. I mean, if you watch football or ice hockey, and you see guys take a nasty hit, not bone-breaking but jarring, and you see them get up immediately and then start to look like shit on the bench or when they try to walk it off. I know that's why I used to do all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyChosyu Report post Posted November 22, 2002 The theory is realistic, but the end product rarely is. You don't get dumped on your dome, get up showing no ill affects, hit a lariat, AND THEN fall like a sack of bricks. It just doesn't happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffin Surfer Report post Posted November 22, 2002 It's realistic when a guy pops up from say the first head drop, and staggers around. It happens in Boxing all the time, when a guy gets dropped he'll pop right back up and than collapse again. It's trained into the guys for years to stay on their feet no matter what, and even in a barely conscious state they'll instinctively try to stand up before 10. That's the theory behind Kawada's pop ups and flops out of the ring. Kawada is instinctively bailing to avoid taking any further punishment, despite his legs not even being under him. It's like when a boxer's legs go, he'll go to the ropes to stay on his feet. However you don't see a guy pop up from a knock out blow, and knock out the other guy before he goes down. If you don't have the strength to stay on your feet, how can you have the strength to knock a guy out. Wrestling doesn't have to be realistic, and I think the delayed selling works with strikes, but head drops completely pisses on the moves credability. It's like saying a Lariat is more badass or just as badass as dropping someone on their head. No wonder the moves went from "Dangerous" match enders to pointless high spots to pop the crowd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
