Looks like the blockbuster trade's going down

[Guest Phr33k]

Charles Johnson and Mike Hampton waived their respective no-trade clauses, confirming the trade. It is, for those of you "uninformed" ones:

 

TO FLORIDA:

 

P Mike Hampton

OF Juan Pierre

 

TO COLORADO:

 

C Charles Johnson

OF Preston Wilson

P Vic Darensbourg

2B Pablo Ozuna

 

The rumours are that the Marlins will now send Hampton to Atlanta.

 

The Rockies have now completed one major trade in order to rid themselves of a long-term commitment. The other two, reportedly in the works, are:

 

TO ARIZONA:

 

OF Larry Walker

 

TO COLORADO:

 

3B Matt Williams

OF David Dellucci

1B Erubiel Durazo

P Bret Prinz

 

and

 

TO NEW YORK METS:

 

P Denny Neagle

 

TO COLORADO:

 

OF Jeromy Burnitz

2B Rey Ordonez

 

Discuss as you wish.

 

All credit goes to Yahoo! Sports.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Who is the Rockies pitching staff now Jason Jennings and ?

 

And the part I found most ridiculous is that Hampton was leery of waiving his notrade clause at first because he wanted to play for a winner right away. Um Mike, you were the WORST FUCKING PITCHER in the league last year. You had the highest ERA of any qualifiers you do not get to pick where you go sit down, shut up, and continue stealing a hundred million dollars.

 

And the thought of Luis Castillo and Juan Pierre being the 1-2 table setters is pretty ridiculous.

[Guest DrTom]

If Colorado makes all those moves, they could be in a lot better shape for next season. They'll still need to get some pitchers, but they always need pitchers.

 

I don't see how this is a good deal for the Marlins. Wilson/Johnson for Hampton/Pierre isn't bad even up, but the Marlins gave up two more people. If they can move Hampton and turn him into something good, it'll look better for them, but I don't know how much luck they'll have considering that Hampton sucked the meat missile last year.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Hampton will be moved to the braves for two minor leaguers. So after making the insulting offer to Glavine they go after the most expensive pitcher ever. The Marlins are picking up some of the cash but to spit on Glavine like that only to go after the WORST FUCKING PITCHER in the league last year and owe him 50 mil over the next 7 years (I think that is what they cover) is a disgrace.

[Guest bravesfan]

If all of the trades are worked out, the Rockies will look like this:

C C. Johnson

1B Helton/ Durazo

2B Ordonez

3B Williams/ Zeile

SS Uribe

LF Kapler/Payton

CF P. Wilson/J. Cust

RF Durazo/Burnitz

 

After unloading HUGE contracts of Neagle, Hampton and Walker, they get several young bashers (Wilson and Durazo) and extra strength at each position.

 

Who is the Rockies pitching staff now Jason Jennings and ?

 

 

Well, it's not like Hampton and Neagle contributed ANYTHING besides innings to the staff anyway :

Hampton: 7-15, 6.15 ERA, 178.2 IP, 228 H, 122 ER, 74 K

Neagle: 8-11, 5.26 ERA, 164.1 IP, 170 H, 96 ER, 111 K

 

Look for guys like Jennings (16-8 with a 4.52 ERA in 32 games), converted starter Denny Stark (11-4 with a 4.00 ERA in 32 games) and a host of young guns to lead the way.

 

 

 

EDIT: Corrected those stats...

[Guest the pinjockey]

The rockies arent getting anyone from the braves the marlins are. Spooneybarger and a PTBNL. And I do agree that there team could be a great group of bashers if Burnitz, Wilson, and Williams play like they can. I always believed that is what the Rockies should do the pitching would suck anyway so get a bunch of bashers.

 

And getting Durazo could be a steal. Put him in Colorado in a full time slot and he could be a monster.

[Guest bravesfan]

JUST as I posted that up, I realized that the Marlins now had Hampton. Oh well...

 

And getting Durazo could be a steal. Put him in Colorado in a full time slot and he could be a monster.

 

Same can be said for Preston Wilson. They may both strike out a lot, but both swing for the fences every time.Wilson has lightning-quick speed and a great glove.

 

As for hitting, expect 190 K's from Wilson, but 40 HR's and a duel with Andruw for best centerfielder in the game is not out of the question.

[Guest bob_barron]

We're losing Glavine

 

and getting Hampton??

 

Ummm what????

[Guest the pinjockey]

I hope Maddux leaves just out of spite considering the way they treated Glavine just to get...well you know how I feel about Hampton.

 

BTW, Happy Birthday

[Guest bob_barron]

I hope Maddux leaves just out of spite considering the way they treated Glavine just to get...well you know how I feel about Hampton.

 

BTW, Happy Birthday

I'm not a big Glavine fan so I really don't mind that he's going. He really pissed me off by blowing both games in the playoffs this year and I'm pissed he may go to the Mets because of the rivalry.

 

I understand the offer they gave him wasn't great but as a fan I gotta say-

 

He has enough money and I think he should retire as a Brave.

 

With Maddux- I really hope he stays cause he's been my favourite on the Braves for a long time and I'd hate him to see him go. It would really upset me.

 

Keep in mind all that was written by a biased as hell Braves fan.

 

 

Thanks for the birthday shout out

[Guest the pinjockey]

I dont think the money to Glavine was a disgrace I thought the one year with two club options was a disgrace. 9 mil is market value maybe a little below but a one year deal is just silly.

 

Even though I follow the phillies I think he should have been allowed to retire as a Brave as well.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Dum de dum dum..

Hampton will do much better not having to pitch half his games in Coors Field. I don't see how the Braves are losing that much giving up Glavine and getting Hampton..I think that they end up paying him 6 million a year ($35.5 mil) over the next 6 years, which isn't that high of a price.

 

The Blue Jays got a pretty decent Starting Pitcher in Cory Lidle for 2 minor leaguers.

 

As far as my favorite team, the Orioles aren't going to be doing that much in the offseason. They need a Starting Pitcher and a Power Hitter to compliment Batista, Gibbons and Conine. I hear they are interested in Hideki Matsui who hit 50 homers last year in Japan and is a lefty which is a benefit due to the short left field in Camden Yards..But they'll never get him with the Yankees interested.

 

According to The Baltimore Sun, the Orioles have expressed interest in four other top free-agent hitters: Jim Thome (not going to get him), Ivan Rodriguez (don't need him with Gil), Cliff Floyd (eh..), Frank Thomas (flat out no..) and Edgardo Alfonzo (don't need another Infielder).

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Arizona would crazy to give up Durazio. Larry Walker is old and injury prone and who know's what he'd do hitting away from Coors.

 

Liddle was set to make 4.8 million next year. With Hudson, Mulder, Zito, and Lilly they could afford to get rid of him.

 

The Rockies are paying alot of Hampton's salary so it's not a bad risk for the Braves.

 

That Rockies lineup isn't that impressive. Who do they have beside Helton and probably Durazio.

[Guest bravesfan]

We're losing Glavine

 

and getting Hampton??

 

Ummm what????

 

Well, there's also a guy named Paul Byrd (17-11, 3.90 ERA in 228.1 IP) that the Braves are the front-runners in getting, so the void of Glavine would be filled nicely by Hampton and Byrd.

 

Maddux, Byrd, Hampton, Millwood and Moss? Yep yep.

[Guest bob_barron]

Well if we're after Byrd- yahtzee.

 

I don't know if Maddux is staying though- he better not go to arizona

[Guest bravesfan]

Actually, the only team gunning for Maddux now is the Padres...yes, the PADRES...

 

BTW Bob, the Hampton deal is official...

 

Associated Press

 

The Atlanta Braves have reportedly landed themselves a left-handed starter, and no, his name isn't Tom Glavine.

 

Mike Hampton is the newest member of the Braves' rotation, landing in Atlanta after being traded first to the Marlins on Saturday and later to the NL East champs, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

 

The former 22-game winner was traded by the Marlins to the Braves for reliever Tim Spooneybarger and an unnamed prospect, the Journal-Constitution reported.

 

The Braves -- who will announce the deal Sunday or Monday -- will pay only $35.5 million of the $84.5 million owed to the 30-year-old over the next six seasons, with the Rockies and Marlins picking up the rest, the Journal-Constitution reported.

 

The acquisition of Hampton almost surely means the end of Glavine's 16-year career in Atlanta. The free-agent lefty has received offers from the Phillies and Mets.

 

The transaction raises the Rockies' payroll initially but provided long-term relief from Hampton's record-setting contract.

 

Hampton signed an eight-year, $121 million contract with Colorado in December 2000. He is guaranteed $84.5 million over the next six years, plus has deferred $19 million of his signing bonus.

 

The Rockies will pay $11 million of Hampton's remaining salary and the signing bonus.

 

Hampton, a 30-year-old left-hander, was 7-15 with a 6.15 ERA this year -- the highest in the major leagues among pitchers who qualified for the ERA title.

 

He is 21-28 with a 5.75 ERA since leaving the New York Mets to sign the richest deal ever with the Rockies in December 2000. Following a 9-2 start in 2001, he is 12-26 with a 6.62 ERA.

[Guest bob_barron]

Hmmm I guess the DBacks dropped out.

[Guest bravesfan]

It looks like the D'Backs will focus on their hitting first, adding Walker, with a possibility in McGriff and I-Rod.

 

Heh, Schilling and RJ may be all they need for the next 2 years, pitching-wise.

[Guest alkeiper]

The Braves -- who will announce the deal Sunday or Monday -- will pay only $35.5 million of the $84.5 million owed to the 30-year-old over the next six seasons, with the Rockies and Marlins picking up the rest, the Journal-Constitution reported.

 

So the Braves end up paying a hair under $6 million a year. And who knows how he'll do. Let's face it, Colorado's a pitching hell. Darryl Kile had a 6.61 ERA in '99. He gets traded, and all the sudden he's a staff ace again. As crazy as it sounds, this deal could turn out to be a steal for the Braves.

 

If all of the trades are worked out, the Rockies will look like this:

C C. Johnson

1B Helton/ Durazo

2B Ordonez

3B Williams/ Zeile

SS Uribe

LF Kapler/Payton

CF P. Wilson/J. Cust

RF Durazo/Burnitz

 

The idea of Jack Cust in center field is hilarious. The man is barely even adequate in the corner outfield spots. Put him in center and the staff ERA goes up yet another run.

 

No way Durazo gets any playing time at first with Helton there. And I wouldn't start Ordonez over Brent Butler either.

[Guest Phr33k]

Walker had some of his best years hitting in Montreal, which is no Coors Field. He'll do fine in BankOne.

[Guest DrTom]

Ivan Rodriguez (don't need him with Gil)

WHAT?

 

I liked watching Gil throw as much as the next guy, but I-Rod is 100x better at the plate. Considering how questionable the Orioles' offense is, they can't afford someone who's virtually an automatic out like Gil, even if his throwing is good. I'd love to see Pudge in an Orioles uniform, though catching him more than 100 games a year probably isn't a good idea. He doesn't make a bad DH the rest of the time, though the Orioles already have a lot of DH types on their roster.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

wait.. do the Padres have alot more money than the Royals?

 

if not.. why doesn't Kansas City try to make the futile quest to lure Maddox to KC?

 

It'd definately insure that attendance doesn't drop to 8,000 due to the SHITHEAD MOTHERFUCKING RETARDED moves of David Glass and Allard Baird. The morons who will lose Paul Byrd.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Walker had some of his best years hitting in Montreal, which is no Coors Field. He'll do fine in BankOne.

Don't be so sure. The players that leave Colorado have seen their numbers drop off.

[Guest bravesfan]

wait.. do the Padres have alot more money than the Royals?

 

if not.. why doesn't Kansas City try to make the futile quest to lure Maddox to KC?

The owners are planning to cut the team payroll from $47.3 million to $37 million for next season.

 

Who knows WHO the Royals will be able to keep/afford.

[Guest Phr33k]

Marlins traded Hampton for Spooneybarger and a player to be named later. Officially.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Plus the Marlins picked up some 28 million of Hamptons salary...I thought the Marlins were near broke?

 

Anyways..I was excited today to hear the possibility that the Orioles might offer Jim Thome a better deal than Cleveland or Philadelphia...The Orioles would be much improved with his bat and at least one new starting Pitcher...maybe..just maybe Angelos will open up the wallet..

[Guest bravesfan]

The Braves will be responsible for $2 million of Hampton's contract in 2003, $2 million in '04 and $1.5 million in '05, then picks up the remainder of what he is owed: $13.5 million in 2006, $14.5 in '07 and $15 million in '08.

 

 

This will be known as the "STEAL OF THE CENTURY", yet Florida shouldn't regret the trade (got Spooney, Pierre and cash), nor should Colorado (Hampton never fit there, and they got Preston).

 

Schuerholz left open the possibility of the Braves getting either Glavine or Maddux?

 

How will us Brave fans choose?!?

[Guest alkeiper]

Plus the Marlins picked up some 28 million of Hamptons salary...I thought the Marlins were near broke?

 

Because the Marlins dumped Johnson's and Preston Wilson's inflated contracts, they actually save money in this deal.

[Guest Phr33k]

the Marlins are not near broke, Mr. Scumbag and Mini-Scumbag are running the team. They want to ruin the Marlins just like they did to the Expos.