My how to get Angle up to the next level

[Guest Brian]

I hope this works for everyone, since I tried to make it something that Vince could go for as well as everyone here. Part of this is off another thread that I typed up.

 

Right now it looks like they're setting up Angle's face turn. Benoit is the one who's not so happy with Angle; whereas Angle is so happy they have a united front going into the show so they can win the tag titles. Last SmackDown he picked fights with Edge and Mysterio while Angle went after the Guerreros. He's being set up for the fall as Benoit will side with his friends, the Guerreros. Edge and Mysterio get taken out first (maybe to give Mysterio time for his knee), and it come down to Benoit and Angle against the Guerreros. Benoit turns, because he’s tired of working with Angle. We'll get a trios tag or Angle/Edge against the Guerreros depending on Rey’s knee, in two weeks (or maybe at the PPV); and Brock will interfere to hit Angle (his time off, because Heyman made mention of Angle and Lesnar showed some fear) while Rey gets taken out (knee scoped). I’d like to see Knoble interfere to take out Mysterio, setting up the knee for their pay per view match (trailor hitch).

 

Angle takes his time off with Benoit, Heyman, and Lesnar mocking him. Maybe have Lesnar come out to Angle’s music, or Benoit, when there’s a promo going on. Lesnar gives little hints of amateur wrestling along the way. Benoit draws numbers for his entry into the rumble, let's say 29, and then draws for Angle, 30, but laughs because Angle's not going to be there. You get to the show, thirty hits, pause for like five or ten seconds, Angle's music, crowd pops big. Have Lesnar in the back, getting ready to leave after winning his title match, then the music going off and a sudden turnaround with a cold stare from Lesnar. Even have him try to charge the ring but get stopped by twenty officials. Make Angle not just a threat, but THE THREAT. Total disbelief on Benoit as he and the Guerreros start fighting Angle, only to fall to the comeback. Brock gets caught on the ramp, Angle knocks Benoit over the top rope. Staredown, Brock charges the ring post show, only to get fought off by Angle (as a test run).

 

Angle cuts a promo next night about how Brock injured him and he's chosen to go after the title instead of Olympic Gold, Benoit comes out, interrupts, tells Angle that he wasn't an active (or cleared) wrestler and shouldn't have won. Benoit deserves it, he was the last active wrestler in the ring. They have this match at No Way Out. Rock takes on Lesnar looking to avenge his SummerSlam loss, since that will probably sell. All the time in the build up, Lesnar's talking with Paul about how great a wrestler was and totally selling Angle as a challenger, while Paul’s convincing Lesnar how great he is.

 

After Angle wins at No Way Out, Angle switches gears and starts getting ready for Lesnar. First night, the WWE puts out a package showing each individuals’ amateur careers. Angle cuts a triumphant promo, moving away from Benoit and to Lesnar while Benoit goes crazy in the back until he runs into Rock. Benoit knocks him down in the back, making reference to their short feud from the summer. Second week, promo package focuses on their workouts. Angle's out training, out wrestling guys before Brock shows up and out-powers all the extras. Third week, promo package focuses on their achievements, how Brock rose faster at a younger age and Angle more rounded career and the medals. Angle's in the ring and Heyman interrupts, giving a promo explaining why Brock's a little timid around Angle, saying Brock attended an Angle camp where he was told he could not make it. Something to that affect. Fourth week, the promo package is totally focused on their WWE career comparisons (with a special on their moves, F5/Angle Slam, Bearhug/Anklelock, Moonsault/SSP). Rhyno shows up, gores Angle as an aid to Heyman (setting up the rib psychology). Going into WrestleMania, Angle is an underdog but credible. He has an edge to him, and Brock has a weakness. But Brock has been unbeatable to this point, and Rhyno has pierced Angle's armor.

 

WrestleMania is a card that also features Jericho/RVD for the world title, Benoit/Rock, Mysterio/Knoble for the cruiser, and HHH/HBK in some sort of gimmick (cage?). Angle and Lesnar spend the first fifteen minutes or so n the ground. First set of matwork is Lesnar just overpowering Angle, second is Lesnar overpowering him but in a laize faire, relaxed motion going for the bearhug which allows Angle to break loose. Third set sees Angle using his speed to just outclass Lesnar, going for the anklelock but Lesnar getting the ropes. The rest of the match is cemented in this; they each are smart enough to know each other’s moves, and what it comes down to is a match of speed vs. strength. At one point, since it is the big match, each guy will go out for their specials: the moonsault for Angle and the SSP for Lesnar. Brock has much of the match working over the ribs but Angle quietly sets up the leg. Both guys kick out of each other’s finishers. At the end, Brock goes for the F-5, Angle falls out and goes for the Angle Slam, Brock falls behind and catches Angle from behind with the bearhug, Angle waits for the moment as it looks like it could finish him (of course it almost did earlier in the match except Angle got the ropes, so it looks like he has little escape that Brock hasn’t seen). Suddenly, Angle gets his thumbs under to make room, pull off a roll, and grabs the anklelock for the submission.

 

Next night, Heyman is totally pissed at Brock. Brock gets mad at Heyman, and they finally do the face turn. Rhyno comes to Heymna’s aid (they had hinted at this prior to Mania). Meanwhile, Benoit emerges after beating the Rock at Mania to face Angle. But with Angle’s cementing as a main eventer, Benoit, Guerrero, Mysterio, Edge, and Chavo arec suddenly at his level, one of the more important effects of this match. On the RAW side which is actually of note, Rob winning the world title (mid-show main event) should also do wonders for the rest of the RAW roster in a similar fashion.

[Guest Anglesault]

I like it. But where are the humiliating skits to make Angle look like a non threat? They'll never go for it without those skits.

[Guest Brian]

But they're not really doing those. The last one, with the hugging was Angle doing it because he was so happy that Benoit was going to work with him for the tag titles on Sunday, and Angle's basically being led for a fall. It's going to help make him a sympathetic face, which is part of what the need to do.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Vince enjoys goofy Angle.

[Guest Anglesault]

But they're not really doing those. The last one, with the hugging was Angle doing it because he was so happy that Benoit was going to work with him for the tag titles on Sunday, and Angle's basically being led for a fall. It's going to help make him a sympathetic face, which is part of what the need to do.

What about every other skit they've done in the last three months?

 

And by the way, Jericho/RVD should be co main event or like Rock/Hogan was last year. Make it mean something.

[Guest Brian]

But Angle can still be funny and be a threat can't he. He's pulled it off at times, and fans can definately enjoy that side of his character. It's part of the Angle package and you just have to figure out how to cater to it.My main probem with his face run is that all the sympathy he had became 9-11 heat in the end which screwed it up for him.

[Guest Brian]

As for Jericho/RVD, it does mean something. But they should split up the two shows main events, one for the first half and one for the second. There's four WrestleMania main event calibre matches on this card, you run Benoit/Rock in the middle of the first half and HHH/HBK in the middle of the second, with RVD/Jericho being main event on one side and Angle/Brock on the other.

 

I don't think they had a skit the week before and on Halloween they did the brawl which was fun, with each other interfering so there was nothing wrong with that.

[Guest Anglesault]

But Angle can still be funny and be a threat can't he. He's pulled it off at times, and fans can definately enjoy that side of his character. It's part of the Angle package and you just have to figure out how to cater to it.My main probem with his face run is that all the sympathy he had became 9-11 heat in the end which screwed it up for him.

He can be "Let's laugh with him" funny and be a threat. But"Let's laugh AT him" and a threat is really hard to pull off.

[Guest snowfan]

Vince enjoys goofy Angle.

and never mind what we want to see it is what Vinny wants that matters...

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Exactly.

 

They can have angle blaze through everyone in the federation, squashing all the top guys, being the 'man' and then have him do something stupid and bring it all down.

 

That's the WWF fer ya. The stupid, stupid, WWF.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

I like that idea, and it would be a good way to build up to the Lesnar vs. Angle match at Wrestlemania 19. Not to mention, but it would also set up for Angle vs. Benoit for the WWE Title at Backlash, which definately has the makings of a ***** match, if not a ****3/4 match at the very least. As for RVD vs. Jericho for the World Title, that's pretty much what I'm thinking will be the main event for RAW. I've said it once before, if the WWE uses this card, Wrestlemania 19 could end up being pretty good.

[JasonX 0]

Here is a simpler way to turn Kurt Angle face and up to the next level:

 

1. Have Steph trade Angle to Raw behind his back for say Stacy and Test. Play up the subtext that Steph wants Test back so she can start sleeping with him (and if they want to get raunchy, sleep with Stacy as well).

 

2. Have Eric Bischoff badmouth Angle as a goofball and order him to work as HHH and Flair's lacky.

 

3. Have Angle booked as constantly upstaging HHH and Flair and generally more entertaining that HHH so that fans cheer for him and not HHH

 

4. Have HHH turn against Angle, turning Angle face

 

5. Have Angle beat HHH cleanly and for the belt and in a manner that makes HHH look like Angle's personal bitch and leads to HHH going off of TV for a couple of months immeadiately afterwords

 

6.Build towards Brock/Angle or Angle/Benoit at WM

[Guest Anglesault]

My Main problems with your idea.

 

Angle belongs on Smackdown. As much as I hate him never ever being main event there, at least he can have good matches.

 

YOU'RE TRADING KURT ANGLE FOR TEST!

[Guest RedJed]

My Main problems with your idea.

 

Angle belongs on Smackdown. As much as I hate him never ever being main event there, at least he can have good matches.

 

YOU'RE TRADING KURT ANGLE FOR TEST!

I agree that bringing Kurt to Raw would be a bad move. First thing, upstaging HHH to that degree would damage Hunter so much he'd never recover (which I'm sure is the intention, right?) and no matter how much I dislike HHH for his games, you can't bury a main eventer THAT much. Plus how many times have we seen HHH v. Angle? Too many to see again, I know that much.

 

Angle in a trade for Test right there would damage him, because it makes no sense. Angle has been trumpeted on SD as one of their best and he goes to Raw in exchange for a struggling midcarder?

 

Angle has quality opponents on Smackdown in Benoit, Lesnar, Eddy, etc that can actually "go" with him. That just isn't the case on Raw, and in turn that would hurt him. Plus look at every guy on the Raw roster, they have hardly ANY character development. Why bring him to that shit?

 

That idea by Brian is what I would go with, defiantely. You can't get much better than that

[Guest Anglesault]

.

 

Angle in a trade for Test right there would damage him, because it makes no sense. Angle has been trumpeted on SD as one of their best and he goes to Raw in exchange for a struggling midcarder?

You must also remember that with Big Show on Smackdown, Test is the worst wrestler and over all talent on Raw.

[Guest Tim Cooke]

Boy, I thought I was bitter about the WEEEEEEE...but Anglesault is nothing more than a bitter mark.

 

Tim

[Guest CanadianChris]

LOL. Jericho/RVD for the World title. You crazy kids.

 

[Guest Brian]

They could have done so much more with the whole Brock push, now they just got one main eventer out of it (if that). I guess they can salvage it by having Brock ocme back, get denied the title, Show lose the title to Angle at RR while Brock wins the Rumble. Then Brock can't beat Show at NWO and Angle at Mania, but Angle's still where he is after that.

[Guest CanadianChris]

Well, looks like that Jericho/RVD WM World title match is out. Maybe RVD vs. D-Lo Brown on Heat, if HHH is feeling generous.

[Guest Brian]

No it doesn't. Jericho has legitmate claims to a title match with Michaels, if he wins they can start building to either a Booker or RVD as challenger.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

They blew Brock's angle big time last night.

 

now I read that they're having a remantch at Armageddon.

 

So this whole thing was fucking POINTLESS.

[Guest Brian]

They can still salvage it I assume. But Brock wouldn't be the one to win the title, and the only one that would help is Brock.

 

I was hoping for ultra cocky Brock and Paul who refused to defend the title though.

[Guest Brian]

Or they could go the Russo route. Heyman feared so much for Lesnar's health that he didn't want him working night-in, night-out, so he voluntarily took the title off him. Than, Heyman can try to latch onto Brock again and Brock can finally accept. We are Russo-fied~!

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

My plan of action is this:

 

Angle comes out on SD! gets pissed about not getting his shot ever and makes the Big Show tap in about 2 minutes to win the title.

 

Then Angle can spend the next few months establishing himself as the top heel, while Brock comes back and destroys Big Show to big face pops, leading to Brock regaining the title from Angle at WrestleMania main event.

[Guest Brian]

That's all good, and how I figured they could salvage it, but it looks like they're going back to Brock/Show for the title.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

For the remainder of the Brock-Show feud I'm going into total mark mode. Screw everything else, I want Brock to destroy Show. The Armageddon match should end as Lesnar's other major matches did, Lesnar triumphant over the bloodied, battered body of his opponent. And Heyman can get battered as well, I'm truly sceptical about his motivation as regards keeping his onscreen profile high in booking this feud. After Armageddon, simply push Angle and Brock into mega-face mode and have a super-face collision at Wrestlemania.

[Guest Brian]

That could work too, and I like that more than the other way in reality because Angle gets that cementing as a top player and Brock gets to be a bigtime face. They still could have done so much more though.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Benoit turns on him.