What a load of bullsh*t

[Guest cynicalprofit]

They put the title on the guy whos wrestled 2 times now in the last 5 years.

 

How did he earn that spot?

 

They managed to bury Jericho again, RVD, Booker T and Kane in 1 match. I dont give a crap how much people love HBK, he should have lost a singles match to RVD and put RVD over as the next showstopper, hell if he'd have done it for big show, show mave have become credible. Either way the WWF could have built another ME guy.

 

This is crap, a guy who wrestles 2 times in 5 years is now better then everyone else in the locker room. Thanks WWE you proved, atleast to me, you dont learn shit from your own mistakes, like putting the belt on guys who come back after a long hiatus *coughhogancough*. And now no one but HHH, since he was the last guy in the elimination chamber match, even looks to be a credible title contender. Color me turned off.

 

Vince needs to let go of his hardon for not pushing anyone who got popular in any other organization and anyone whos taller then 6'5.

 

Sorry, Im just uber pissed Shawn gets the belt without earning it and buries everyone else in his path due to politics.

[Guest Paranoid]

Deal with it dude. Shawn is YOUR new World Champ and will be for at least a month!

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

You are completely 100% correct, except Shawn isn't 6 foot 5. So, Vince also has a fetish for pushing his friends.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

You are completely 100% correct, except Shawn isn't 6 foot 5. So, Vince also has a fetish for pushing his friends.

But shawn is a WWF star only

[Guest IB2BLACK]

And HBK is a damn good WWE star.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Yeah damn good......5 years ago.

[Guest TheAnvil]

I liked the PPV, and I don't see how HBK buried anyone. He didn't do anything that wasn't supposed to happen. It's not like HHH holding people down week after week after week. And, it's not like HBK dominated on the offensive front of the match. He took a beating, and didn't control much of the match at all.

 

As for RVD, I know I'm going to catch hell from people who think they know what they're talking about, but RVD doesn't belong in the ME. First of all, his offense is pathetic. He has a finish. That's about it. Most of his offense consists of him rolling/flipping FOR NO GOD DAMNED REASON.

 

Jericho? He lasted a hell of a lot longer than I figured he would. I thought he'd be the first one eliminated. He got a lot of offense in, and looked credible the whole match.

 

Booker T? okay...he sorta got hosed, but someone in this match had to lay down.

 

Kane. He never should have been in the match to start with. KANE SUCKS, HAS SUCKED, AND WILL ALWAYS SUCK. He deserves to be buried. Mid-card at best.

[Guest razazteca]

Shawn is barely 5'8" 180 and that is stretching it.

 

Plus this title reign is to balance out all of that Katie Vick BS, now we have a good Chistian worthy of a PAX tv special.

[Guest CanadianChick]

As for RVD, I know I'm going to catch hell from people who think they know what they're talking about, but RVD doesn't belong in the ME. First of all, his offense is pathetic. He has a finish. That's about it. Most of his offense consists of him rolling/flipping FOR NO GOD DAMNED REASON.

 

Yes, because we all know that people's move sets have a lot with their main event staus.

*Looks at HHH's, Big Show's, Undertaker's movesets*

Oh right, it doesn't.

[Guest BoboBrazil]

Actually Vince wanted to keep the title on HHH, but HHH kept pushing Vince to put the title on Michaels with HHH winning it back at the December ppv. I guess HHH convinced him.

[Guest Redhawk]

I agree that Shawn could have been used much better as far as creating new superstars goes. Although it'd be hard to book a face-vs-face feud where HBK puts RVD over as the "New Showstopper," they coud have easily had HBK put Jericho over. As it stands now, not only is the champ a guy who can't wrestle full-time, the only logical person for him to lose the belt to now is...Triple H. And it's funny how I guess Brock lost his title due to an injury, but HBK wins a title when he can't wrestle either.

[Patty O'Green 0]

As for RVD, I know I'm going to catch hell from people who think they know what they're talking about, but RVD doesn't belong in the ME. First of all, his offense is pathetic. He has a finish. That's about it. Most of his offense consists of him rolling/flipping FOR NO GOD DAMNED REASON.

If you hadn't mentioned RVD's name I would've thought you were talking about Jeff Hardy! Yes, I'm trying say RVD and Jeff Hardy are somewhat similar.

[Guest Army Eye]

I couldn't care less whether Michaels 'earned' the spot or not. The title should be held by whoever is best for business.

 

For example, Hogan beating Flair for the WCW title in his FIRST match there, ghastly an image as it may have been, was good for business.

 

That being said, Michaels is a poor choice. Can't wrestle, won't draw, etc.

[Guest Paranoid]

He will draw. I would be willing to bet that tomorrow night s RAW rating will go up. And it will be due to Michaels getting the belt.

 

Don't worry, if I am right I will be the first to tell all of you saying he doesn't draw that I told you so! But if I am wrong, then I will expect it and move on.

[Guest Trivia247]

I would think Burying people would Intell Squashing people or No Selling...

 

It looked like HBK got his ass Kicked throughout most of the match that he was involved in.

 

Taking a Chokeslam from Kane

 

Running Bulldog from Jericho

 

Pedigree from HHH

 

Get thrown into a Glass Cell..

 

What he may have done is lay the ground work for a Possible Feud between him and Chris Jericho.

 

I see a More viable case for HBK to pass the Proverbal Torch to Jericho than RVD. hell Jericho could if he was so inclined make the angle that he is aveging Bret Hart's loss to HBK the past Survivor Series, since Jericho is a Former Dungeon Student.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

I liked the PPV, and I don't see how HBK buried anyone.

He's wrestled 2 times in 5 years and outlasted ever other superstar in the match. I'd call that a funeral.

 

It's not like HHH holding people down week after week after week.

They could have put the title on anyone else in the match and they would have become a ME player, instead the 2 already established ME players are still running around in the ME spot, not letting anyone else in.

 

And, it's not like HBK dominated on the offensive front of the match. He took a beating, and didn't control much of the match at all.

So without much effort he outlasted everyone else and won the match against 5 other guys, what a great guy HBK is.

 

As for RVD, I know I'm going to catch hell from people who think they know what they're talking about, but RVD doesn't belong in the ME. First of all, his offense is pathetic. He has a finish. That's about it. Most of his offense consists of him rolling/flipping FOR NO GOD DAMNED REASON.

Neither did Hulk Hogan, but RVD would atleast put asses in seats, just like Hulk Hogan.

 

Jericho? He lasted a hell of a lot longer than I figured he would.

Only to be beaten by the other blonde hair players. But I agree he lasted longer then I expected.

 

They just should have put the title on anyone but HHH and HBK since they are already establised, it would build up new guys.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I dont give a crap how much people love HBK, he should have lost a singles match to RVD and put RVD over as the next showstopper

Assume that was the plan.

 

It would be VERY hard to do if Van Dam blew out his knee in that high spot like he did. There would have to be an alternate plan.

[Guest the pinjockey]

I don't really think HBK buried anyone. It took a kick out of nowhere to beat Jericho. I wouldn't accuse HBK of using politics to win. He won more along the lines of politics by association. HHH felt it was probably time to lose so he didn't look like part of the office and HBK happened to be around to job to that a.) won't mean anything long term b.) is a buddy and c.) he can win the title back from.

 

And I see no reason to believe there will be an HBK/Y2J feud. Just because HBK pinned him I don't see that setting up anything other than a face eliminated the heel standing between him and HHH. Hopefully I am wrong but I wont hold my breath (Jericho is still a tag champ mind you).

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

What he may have done is lay the ground work for a Possible Feud between him and Chris Jericho.

 

I see a More viable case for HBK to pass the Proverbal Torch to Jericho than RVD. hell Jericho could if he was so inclined make the angle that he is aveging Bret Hart's loss to HBK the past Survivor Series, since Jericho is a Former Dungeon Student.

Now that's a damn good angle, right there. Probably won't happen, though.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

I don't really see the problem in HBK winning the World Title. Sure, he's not 100%, but neither was Hogan when he won the WWE Undisputed Title at Backlash. Basically, this is good for nostalgic purposes, and that's about it. Now, HBK can hang on to the title until Armageddon, where he drops it to Jericho, or even RVD for that matter. So really, it's not a bad thing that HBK won the World Title.

[Guest the pinjockey]

You are using Hogan as your arguement as to why this isnt bad? Do you remember what happened to ratings, especially in the key demo, when they gave the belt to a nostalgia run?

 

And I don't see where this optimism for a HBK/Y2J feud is coming from. Jericho is still a tag champ, has a feud with Booker on the backburner, and is not named HHH.

[Guest SP-1]

Wow. I'm amazed. Maybe it's because I'm an HBK fan, maybe it's because if people can't bitch about something, they're just not happy. But you know what I realized tonight? I was entertained. I was entertained well. I had a great time watching this PPV, it was a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned, and everyone needs to figure out that, as I've said before, we deal with theory and rumors being a "smart" mark. None of this that we base our bitching on is proven, at least the majority of it isn't. But tonight, Vince and co. did what they're supposed to do. They didn't cater to a select group, whether it be smart or regular mark. No, Vince entertained anyone who was willing to forget facts and figures and be told a story.

 

THAT is what this is about. And they did it good tonight, all across the board.

 

SP, who is happy with things.

[Guest Paranoid]

Wow. I'm amazed. Maybe it's because I'm an HBK fan, maybe it's because if people can't bitch about something, they're just not happy. But you know what I realized tonight? I was entertained. I was entertained well. I had a great time watching this PPV, it was a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned, and everyone needs to figure out that, as I've said before, we deal with theory and rumors being a "smart" mark. None of this that we base our bitching on is proven, at least the majority of it isn't. But tonight, Vince and co. did what they're supposed to do. They didn't cater to a select group, whether it be smart or regular mark. No, Vince entertained anyone who was willing to forget facts and figures and be told a story.

 

THAT is what this is about. And they did it good tonight, all across the board.

 

SP, who is happy with things.

Damn good post SP!

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

This'll be interesting...

 

Pray tell me how this is a step in the right direction.

[Guest Kingpk]

No, Vince entertained anyone who was willing to forget facts and figures and be told a story.

 

THAT is what this is about. And they did it good tonight, all across the board.

And when HHH gets the belt back next month and Michaels takes off for another 5 years? Then what? Have you forgotten that RAW has sunk in the ratings even WITH Michaels there?

 

And you are HAPPY that Slob is the champ?

[Guest the pinjockey]

So if I wasn't entertained it was because I wasn't willing to see the story? The same story that has been told over and over again and has a crappy ending. Damn me for not forgetting the facts and figures (whatever that means) and not being entertained by the end of the story.

[Guest Prime Time Andrew Doyle]

Put it into perspective, in HBK really that bad compared to Big Show ending Brocks reign. That big fat load of crap has absolutley no reason to have the belt. Atleast we know Shawn wont have the title for long, Big Show on the other hand has th odds of holding the belt till RR or NWO. The champ at the SS keeps the title til atleast NWO, Hart in 92-93, Yoko 93-94, Backlaund (sp?) lost to Diesel 72 hours after SS and kept it to SS95, Hart 95-96, Sid won at SS, lost it to Michales at RR, than won it back the night after Final Four, Michales 97-98, Rocky won it and traded it with Foley for a while, but he still faced Austin at WM, Show lost it thankfuly to HHH at Raw in Januaruy, Angle held it from No Mercy 00 to NWO 01, and Jericho won it at Vengence. That means only 3 people have not gone on from winning in November to atleast be champion at RR or NWO. I dont really think that Shawn could make it to WM as champ. Lets hope lightning strikes twice and Show once again loses before RR, hopefully before Vengence and god willing before SD! 2 weeks from now.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Just because the Big Show sucks a big one doesn't mean HBK is fine as the other champ. Instead of a useless piece of crap Raw just has a useless relic from the past as champ.

[Guest SP-1]

Were we watching the same show? Did you hear that crowd? The crowd in the place I was watching the PPV were into it, too. The main point of all of this is storytelling. It's merely done in a physical way. Tonight, a story was told. Six men came together, and they all gave a good showing. We may not like Kane's style or whatknot, but alot of people did. For those that did, they got their moments. Booker fans got theirs, Jericho fans got theirs, RVD fans got theirs.

 

And like it or not, this was built around a singles feud. Several of them. One of them majorly concerned a title, and moreso concerned the heart and soul of a man that should have been crushed by a former friend. But he came back, and he became a Champion tonight, one more time.

 

You can go with your time limits and screen time and all that booking, EWR stuff all you want. And you'll be miserable. Loving the business and wanting to talk about it on a deeper level is fine, but I think alot of people have forgotten that each of those guys are working together. We don't know what's in the locker room for real, and by all accounts from the people who are REALLY there, the wrestlers themselves, not some mysterious "sources" that some internet reporter uses, things are good behind the curtain. They're working together, and they go out to bust their asses to entertain and we feed them bullshit for it. We bash them and we bitch because we didn't get exactly what we would have done were we Vince Mcmahon.

 

I let go of the Smarkness tonight. I sat there and I let Shawn Michaels and Triple H and every other person on that three hour program tell me their stories, I let my heroes and villains exist without knowledge that there's another world behind the curtain, especially not one that I have no control over anyway. And I was happy. I was told a good story, and I was greatly entertained.

 

Being bitter because you don't own WWE and you believe whatever BS comes down the digital pipeline is just stupid. Be a fan, know the business, but when it's time to be told a story . . . listen to the story.

 

I don't mean to go off and I'm certainly not flaming. I'm just saying that all this hate coming from something that did what it was supposed to do is just dumb.

 

SP, who would rather be labeled a dumb mark who enjoys wrestling, than be a "smart" mark that hates everything he sees.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

The hell? That barely even relates in how this is supposedly a good direction for the company, and doesn't explain it at all.

 

I will say this though, if you'd rather be a "dumb mark", and don't like the smarkiness (stupid word) of this board, there are plenty of "dumb mark" boards out there where you can post your "dumb mark" thoughts to your heart's content. Don't forget about AOL chats.