What a load of bullsh*t

[Guest SP-1]

Big Show as champ doesn't bother me. Am I exstatic about it? No, but I understand why it went down as it did. Brock got him up and delivered, with cracked ribs and that speaks alot. Heyman turned on him. There's a story there, at least. Brock will want it back, and when he does, there's something invested in it. That's fine with me. When Brock got Show up, I was entertained. When Heyman turned, I was entertained. That's what's important to me.

[Guest the pinjockey]

I do not like HHH as a storyteller, I haven't for a long time. I liked HBK the storyteller years ago but have no interest in him as a hero storyteller. And I am interested in the storyteller Chris Jericho who in that ring not in the back busted his ass making that match and once again lost the fight. It is the same story that has been going on for a long long time, in the ring.

[Guest SP-1]

It's a step in the right direction, to me, because the direction of things seems to have changed now. The story is shifting, into something that seems geared towards giving the crowd what it wants. That indicates something good to me.

 

I love Jericho and RVD as much as most of the rest of the board, but if the crowd isn't going to buy it, then the story won't work too well. That's my point. Based on their abilities, sure, push them to tbe moon, but right now, it won't work. Shawn is a fine champ, and one that people are generally happy with. There's zero backstepping on that as far as I can see. When the time comes, HBK will move on.

 

Sp

[Guest godthedog]

while i don't think hbk *buried* anyone per se, he is the only person on the active roster to EVER hold a decisive victory over triple h.

 

does anybody NOT see how self defeating it is for a guy who's almost 40 and by his own admission can't even really wrestle anymore to have TWO clean victories over triple h when nobody else has any? anybody not see how this is going to turn around and fuck the wwf in the ass not unlike zed hunched over and violating marsellus wallace's helpless anus?

[Guest RedJed]

Ahhh this could have been worse, at least HHH isn't still champ right now.

 

Granted, if this just leads to a HHH-HBK match at the next ppv in which HHH goes over in the blowoff, this was not worth it.

 

But if this leads to Michaels and Jericho feuding, regardless of the finish of the feud, then I'm happy.

 

Bottom line, if this leads any other way except HHH regaining the title, I'm not gonna complain!

[Guest EricMM]

The marks may have marked but they think HBK will be a fighting champ.

 

If he is not then the WWE will say good by to their title. It will just be HBK and HHH stalking each other, with HHH squashing people again and again until the next PPV where either HHH goes over or HBK retains. How is that good tv???

[Guest the pinjockey]

Can you honestly say RVD would not be bought as champ by fans. Hell at Royal Rumble the crowd was pissed when he lasted three seconds and tonight back to the ME the crowd is pissed when he loses. I think the fans would buy into him big time if given the chance but by the time it happens it will be too late.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I love Jericho and RVD as much as most of the rest of the board, but if the crowd isn't going to buy it, then the story won't work too well. That's my point. Based on their abilities, sure, push them to tbe moon, but right now, it won't work. Shawn is a fine champ, and one that people are generally happy with. There's zero backstepping on that as far as I can see. When the time comes, HBK will move on.

 

Sp

Meh, people probably said the same about Hogan in 1999 and 2000 in WCW. The reason it HASN'T worked is that HBK has been the only one who was portrayed as having a remotely decent shot of dethroning HHH and winning the title. Big Show EXEMPLIFIED someone that can be portrayed as a threat just as long as they get sufficient and consistent backing. But I guess that was too much to ask for from a company that insists on only pushing the home-grown or the old school, because they know it all right, despite getting bitchified by pandas.

 

Of course, this has NOTHING at all to do with you being a big-time HBK mark. NOTHING at all.

 

Oh, and I laugh at those who say that HBK will put over Jericho or RVD. The only one he will be putting over is HHH.

[Guest RedJed]

Can you honestly say RVD would not be bought as champ by fans. Hell at Royal Rumble the crowd was pissed when he lasted three seconds and tonight back to the ME the crowd is pissed when he loses. I think the fans would buy into him big time if given the chance but by the time it happens it will be too late.

I think right now its too late to just throw Van Dam in there and give him the title. The whatever-the-fuck-that-was feud with HHH hurt him quite a bit, and since then he's been booked substandard to say the least. Him winning the belt tonight probably wouldn't have gotten the response the finish did with HBK winning.

 

He needs to be built back up again as a legitimate contender, plain and simple. It probably wouldnt take much but it would need to be done.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Thank you Mulatto I see everyone pining over a supposedly coming HBK/Y2J feud when I see nothing that remotely suggests it.

[Guest SP-1]

While HBK does hold a massive nostalgic appeal to me, and yes I'm a huge fan of his (for more reasons than just being a "HBK Mark"), my statements are geared more towards the state of things in general.

 

There's so much negativity from us, no wonder alot of wrestlers hate us. We ruin it for ourselves too often, mostly because we care too much about reports and rumors that we honestly have no idea if they're true.

 

And for the record, I'm not some dumb mark. A professional wrestler is sleeping at my house right now. He's my best friend in the world, and has attempted to get me to train and get in the business myself. I know quite a bit about the business, and I know enough to know that ultimately it's something that tells a story. We're so bitchy about how we think it should have been typed that we don't enjoy what we're reading with this story and it's sad to me.

 

SP

[Guest HBK16]

As much as I like HBK, it did upset me that he won. I would have much rather seen Jericho or RVD win.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Although I was VERY upset at the main event as it went on (SpiderPoet can attest to this), only a blind and deaf dude could have not seen the reaction Michaels winning received.

 

I won't say Michaels buried everyone, because he didn't. I just wanted Jericho, Booker, or RVD to win so much more than him.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Just so you know, I always take "rumors" with a grain of salt, and BTW the rumor that Brock dropping the title because of his injury turned out to be correct. I also think HHHate is too cliched which is why I won't declare myself to be a HHHater.

 

I think the point is being lost here. I am not talking about the storytelling as much as I'm talking about general company direction. And let's face it, this board speaks more of the latter than the former (but not all boards are like that, hence my point earlier). HHH chose to give the rub to someone who doesn't need it as opposed to ANYBODY else that could have really used it. That bothers me more than anything else.

 

As for the dumb mark stuff, did you not say you would rather be one? Have you ever read the title of this board?

 

I'm not particularly bothered if wrestlers "hate us", or if "we ruin it for ourselves", because believe it or not, wrestling is not the only thing I'm interested in. So I guess it's not that big of a tragedy for me.

[Guest EricMM]

I say that RVD would have gotten the same pop, especially if HBK would have helped him win. See, that would have been helpful, and that would have had a future, and that would have been good.

[Guest CheesalaIsGood]

The REAL load of bullshit here is that 4 guys not named HHH or HBK HAVE been in the ME scene, and for some time now! Thing is, you all refuse to accept them onto the ME scene. Just cuz they don't win all the time makes them not a ME player? No, it has nothing to do with win/loss records, its just prejudice against HHH, plain and simple and since him and HBK are friends.... Besides, none of you think HHH is over or a draw, so how would him putting any of those guys over mean anything if HHH ain't shit to begin with?

 

Maybe you're all just pissed cuz Stephanie is a piece of ass and HE gets to bang her.

 

whatever.

 

 

Cheese

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

HHH is a draw... how?

 

whatever indeed

[Guest SP-1]

My point was that it seems like nobody is enjoying anything. The Main Event is there to entertain, and it did, for alot of people tonight. The rest of the PPV did the same.

 

I just want to see people entertained, and alot of times being a Smark has the opposite effect. I just think that people should chill and also appreciate the fact that these guys are working together to tell a story, and they're actually doing it well. I had a lot of fun tonight, more than I've had in quite a while, especially with wrestling. Why? Because I forgot about the rumors and supposed politics and crap, and just enjoyed the story.

 

That was my point. I love intelligent discussion about the business, but there are times, and it's more often than anything else, that the discussion breaks down into workrate, facts, and figures. And alot of those facts and figures are, as I said, unconfirmed crap from other people just as smarky and hating on it as everyone else.

 

I applaud every single man that stepped in the chamber tonight. They came in, they told their stories well, and the crowd and the people where I was enjoyed it (even Kotz, deep down ).

 

Talking about the backstage stuff is fine, but when it leads to us disrespecting the effort put forth by those we admire and respect that do this for a living, it bothers me a little. That's all.

 

SP

[Guest evenflowDDT]

I enjoyed the Elimination Chamber very much... until I knew that HBK was going to win. I don't even care that it's HBK that won the title, but I do care that the champion is someone who's not going to wrestle or defend the title or do anything except cut a few cheap pop promos and job it back to HHH in a month is. That's why I didn't want HBK to win... it's worthless, and the title already has little "value" as is.

 

For the record, I thought RVD's pop was much, much bigger than HBK's, and I dislike RVD.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Facts and figures are uninformed crap? They seem pretty concrete to me!

 

As I see it, when all the effort is put in by everyone, and it ends up that a NON-WRESTLER and the Million Dollar Liability end up with "World" titles, now THAT bothers me a little. Maybe Angle and Guerrero and Benoit should start half assing it because I guess that's how WWE style works.

 

I don't do blissfully ignorant. It's not my thing. If that means I'm unsuited for watching WWE, then so long, nice to know ya (well, it was).

[Guest CheesalaIsGood]

I agree Spider.

 

 

Mulatto, I didn't say he was a draw. I didn't say he was over. But it doesn't make sense to try and have it both ways with HHH. Either he isn't a draw and having him put over RVD etc, does nothing for RVD, Jericho or anyone! Yet so many of you Smarks act like it would! Yet Smarks insist that he HAS to put these guys over in order to bring them to a higher level while on the same hand insisting he isn't shit. So yeah... whatever.

 

 

Cheese.

[Guest SP-1]

Do we really know that HBK won't defend or wrestle? I mean, sure the chances of that are slim. However, it was billed as the "Return of Shawn Michaels."

 

He may surprise us. I'll gladly post a thread about eating crow if I'm wrong (hell, I danced to HBK's theme tonight after he won where we were), but let's not jump to conclusions.

 

SP

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

There is a difference in being a draw and having a rub to give to someone else. HHH has the latter. He is NOT the former.

 

Nowhere did I say he was "shit". Maybe if you stopped with the lame generalizations I can take your comments as something other than superficial.

[Guest Paranoid]

If HBK doesn't wrestle in some form or another then I will be surprised. He took the time off after SummerSlam to see how he could handle the effects of wrestling full time. He now has a reason to wrestle, so he will be in the ring soon.

[Guest CheesalaIsGood]

The only thing superficial is a Smark(s) hypocracy in spinnig facts to suit their purpose regardless if the factoids contradict one another.

 

 

 

cheese.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Whatever you say, bud.

[Guest Paranoid]

The only thing superficial is a Smark(s) hypocracy in spinnig facts to suit their purpose regardless if the factoids contradict one another.

 

 

 

cheese.

I hat to agree with a noobie, but he has a point and I stated it earlier in another thread. No matter what people are gonna be pissed with the outcome. But dude, you might want to chill out until you get a feww more posts!

[Guest SP-1]

Exactly. And Vince wouldn't put the belt on Shawn if Shawn was just going to look pretty with it for a month. I really believe that Shawn is ring-ready, and he proved it tonight. He didn't dominate the match, but he was a more mature HBK and he did what he does best in the ring.

 

I could be wrong, but then any of us can. But I think things are going to start to get better.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Do we really know that HBK won't defend or wrestle? I mean, sure the chances of that are slim. However, it was billed as the "Return of Shawn Michaels."

I really don't know that HBK won't defend or wrestle, but judging from tonight, where he pretty much stayed out of it except for the ending with HHH makes me think that, although he might not be losing his smile any time soon, if he's "forced" to wrestle with anyone other than HHH he'd be uncooperative. I admit this is purely speculation on my part, but I'll believe it when I see it (or more accurately, when I read it, since I'm not compelled to watch HBK as champ not wrestle).

[Guest Paranoid]

Now wait a minute evenflow, he took some pretty harsh bumps from the time he came in the match didn't he?