For Christ sakes, turn SOMEONE already.

[Guest Anglesault]

For the love of God, the Angle or Benoit turn has to happen soon, right? "Whacky tag partners who hate each other" is NOT a three month storyline, so I don't understand why they are trying to make it that. This thing has chugged on for what seems to be forever, with hinting and swerving and what not, and it's really starting to wear thin. The matches are repeating themselves, and to be honest, they aren't as good the second time around. I can legitamately see them dragging this feud on for another two months (A December tag match and a Royal Rumble blow off) I don't want to see that happen. It's not even fresh any more. They both need to move on and be apart for a couple of months.

 

Other than that, everything is great. They were booked pretty well tonight (Maybe at the expense of the Los Guererros) and they still had good matches. I mean, "not as good" is still pretty damn good. I just think this feud has run it's course.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Everything is great except that BIG SHOW IS WWE CHAMPION! I agree Benoit could easily be turned face...

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I agree that a turn must happen very soon. I'm gunning for next week.

 

I'm also glad that you didn't find something to complain about this week. Angle overcame a steel chair, a low blow and two instances of Chavo interfering to beat Eddie decisively, and easily made Chavo tap afterwards. It does NOT sound like someone's being "buried by Heyman" or whatever.

[Guest Anglesault]

Yeah, it's strange. If they don't make Angle and Benoit look like fools, They double it on Eddy and Chavo. But whatever. I'm in a good mood. I said I'd start watching when brock dropped the belt. And I am. So now I'll just pretend that Brock and Show boring me is just clips from Raw so I have an excuse not to watch.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Anglesault, I don't get it. Brock Lesnar may not be your favorite, but he's agile and talented as a big man and was getting over as a new face. So you don't watch until BIG SHOW, fat failed push, never had a good match in his life jobs to Jeff Hardy Big Show wins it? Don't see the logic there.

[Guest Anglesault]

Hell, I didn't want the Big Show to win, I just wanted Brock to lose. He won that title because he was big. No matter what he had done since then, it irked me that a guy won the tile over so many other people because he was big (He was terrible and unover when he won. You do the math) Now, if he wins a new title, it can be based on actual crowd reaction (And supposed talent.) Of course, I managed to sit through HHH and now a Big Show reign that is the same thing... I just took an imidiate dislike to brock based on his terrible matches and non existant heat but monster push, I guess. Yeah, I'm quirky. Hell, at this point, he has earned the title based on crowd reaction. I just refuse to watch any of his boring matches. I am by no means happy with a Big Show reign, but it promises to be short, so I'll live with it.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Well, that makes a little more sense, but you're being too harsh on Brock. He's not just big, he's something new, and he's agile and talented both as an amateur and even as a high flyer if the time is right. When he was wrestling the almighty Rock, the crowd was firmly behind Lesnar and chanting his name. He became so over they had to turn him face. I would have loved to have seen Benoit or Angle be the one to dethrone him too, but somehow someone was convinced that Big Show should be champion again...

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

When he was wrestling the almighty Rock, the crowd was firmly behind Lesnar and chanting his name.

I have a little thing to say about this.

 

The other day, for the first time since... probably ever, I read a column from the Observer website. The columnist said how he was in the Nassau Coliseum for Summerslam, and that anti-Rock chants were starting up an hour and a half before the show even started, and Lesnar didn't get face heat until well into the main event. Not to take anything away from Brock, but disdain for the Rock by that crowd was the reason for the chants, moreso than support for Lesnar.

 

EDIT: Here's the link

[Guest Anglesault]

He's not just big, he's something new, and he's agile and talented both as an amateur and even as a high flyer if the time is right.

1) We had seen nothing at the beginning of the push. It was all "supposedly agile" and we still have see no flying.

 

2) Angle and benoit would have been something new, they're agile, talented in amateur wrestling and can fly. Brock got pushed because of his size.

[Guest Choken One]

How exactly is Beniot-Angle "Fresh" since they have fought over 50 times since WM2000? Only you would believe Angle/Beniot, the second coming of the Sting/Vader series is FRESH. The only change is this...Both are where they should be in characters...neither Face or heel...They aren't tweeners either...WWE has allowed these two guys to be equal in the series, allowing the fans to select whom they wish to rally behind.

 

 

Brock got pushed because of his size...Yes...His character was COMPLETLY based off his intense size...Angle was instantly pushed because of his ability to draw heat...A little different but in reality...The same....and Fuck you bullshit about him being a mere "Transitional" champion and being booked as a weak champion, no he wasn't...He was merely playing a classic character of Wrestling folklore...the Arrogant yet cowardly cheat to win heel....done by Hogan, Flair, Raven, Douglas, HHH and Rock.

[Guest Anglesault]

When did I call the feud fresh?

 

He was merely playing a classic character of Wrestling folklore...the Arrogant yet cowardly cheat to win heel....done by Hogan, Flair, Raven, Douglas, HHH and Rock.

 

Hogan and Flair are on a different level. As for the others. Raven and Douglas, Wow, they're going places. I don't recall HHH and Rock being as bad as Angle. In fact, i hardly remember HHH being a coward AT ALL. And they both beat the shit out of Foley and beat him cleanly. Angle cheated to beat Bubba Ray.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

When did Rock ever beat Foley cleanly except for that pinkslip on a pole match almost 3 years ago?

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

When did I call the feud fresh?

 

He was merely playing a classic character of Wrestling folklore...the Arrogant yet cowardly cheat to win heel....done by Hogan, Flair, Raven, Douglas, HHH and Rock.

 

Hogan and Flair are on a different level. As for the others. Raven and Douglas, Wow, they're going places. I don't recall HHH and Rock being as bad as Angle. In fact, i hardly remember HHH being a coward AT ALL. And they both beat the shit out of Foley and beat him cleanly. Angle cheated to beat Bubba Ray.

Also, Flair had to cheat to beat Dusty Rhodes and Ricky Morton. I'd say that's about the same as Angle cheating to beat Bubba Ray(although Morton was easily a thousand times more talented).

[Guest Brian]

Next week, Angle and Benoit get a shot at the titles, Benoit turns in favor of his friends. They'll come up with something like Benoit at one point was interested in the titles, but in the end realized that his friends were more important and the had the gold.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Well...they did complete the Brock turn and cement him as a face. Not what you wanted to hear.

 

Although I appreciate not rushing an angle for once, they should shit or get off the pot on the Benoit/Angle thing already.

[Guest Anglesault]

When did Rock ever beat Foley cleanly except for that pinkslip on a pole match almost 3 years ago?

You know, I was thinking of that I Quit Match, but it had the whacked out ending, sorry. He still kicked Foley's ass the whole match. Angle didn't kick anyone's ass in his reign.

 

Also, Flair had to cheat to beat Dusty Rhodes and Ricky Morton. I'd say that's about the same as Angle cheating to beat Bubba Ray

 

I don't understand how people compare Flair to Angle. He also would have one of those reigns and usually win it back within a reasonable time.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Here's the thing, 'Sault.

 

I think that HHH & Lesnar as champions have tanked business so much that someone in Titan needs to wake up and realize that FANS DON'T WANT TO SEE HEELS GOING OVER. With the rare exception being the "cool" heels that fans hate but want to love, like Rocky in 99 or Kurt right now.

 

Casual fans are losing their interest in wrestling, and it doesn't help when everyone's favorites (and lets remember the causual fans usually are sheep and rubes and will cheer the faces no matter who they are) are only going over once in a blue moon.

 

This happened in the past with Yoko and others as champs. Big powerful heels don't do business.

 

Now, thankfully, the crowd is screaming it's head off for Kurt. MSG was popping for him even when he faced Mysterio in the tag 3-way.

 

What they need to do is turn Angle. I mean, you'd have to be deaf not to understand why.

[ChrisMWaters]

Also, Flair had to cheat to beat Dusty Rhodes and Ricky Morton. I'd say that's about the same as Angle cheating to beat Bubba Ray

 

I don't understand how people compare Flair to Angle. He also would have one of those reigns and usually win it back within a reasonable time.

Yeah...but that's because Flair was a backstage booker most of the time he won the WCW title.

 

Until Angle becomes a booker or gets some influence like that, I don't see him getting belts back quickly like Flair.

 

Besides that, it was a different time period the two faced in.

[Guest Anglesault]

You would think that support of Vince and Shane would get you somewhere.

[Guest Brian]

Auctually, the quarter Brock was champion would have turned a higher profit than the previous quarter if not for the william Morris settlement and PTC lawsuit from the previous year. I'm surprised they didn't write it off as a liability since making 2.1 million in porfit during a quarter that was supposed to begin the bottoming out process is a big success.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

A sign of things to come? (This one's for you, AS)

 

House Show report from Elmira, NY

[Guest FakeRazor]

A sign of things to come? (This one's for you, AS)

 

House Show report from Elmira, NY

LMAO!

[Guest CanadianChick]

Maybe I'm a little slow, but what's so funny?

[Guest Will Scarlet]

Maybe I'm a little slow, but what's so funny?

 

I believe it would be this part:

Finally ended in a handshake then a hug then Angle playing with Benoits ass.

 

On a side note, sounds like a crappy house show. Both Funaki and Tajiri job? Bastards.

[Guest Anglesault]

It's only a house show.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I don't understand how people compare Flair to Angle. He also would have one of those reigns and usually win it back within a reasonable time.

I compared them in the similarity of many of their title defenses. Flair pretty much had to cheat to beat the American Cow when he really shouldn't have.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

I agree that the WWE needs to turn either Angle or Benoit face. Though, they should wait until around the Royal Rumble to do it. They should have Eddie & Chavo defend the Tag Team Titles against Angle & Benoit at Armageddon, maybe with a stipulation added. Eddie & Chavo win, due to either Angle or Benoit screwing up. This leads to the big face turn for either man, which would lead to a match between the two at the Royal Rumble or No Way Out.

[Guest nikowwf]

I think they should fight Eddie & Chavo at the PPV, and the Benoit should turn on Angle and beat him down with the other 3.

 

I think they would go into that matches as strong faces as a team, and therefore Angle should get more over as a face and Benoit more over as a heel.

 

niko

[Guest subliminal_animal]

He was merely playing a classic character of Wrestling folklore...the Arrogant yet cowardly cheat to win heel....done by Hogan, Flair, Raven, Douglas, HHH and Rock.

 

Hogan and Flair are on a different level. As for the others. Raven and Douglas, Wow, they're going places. I don't recall HHH and Rock being as bad as Angle. In fact, i hardly remember HHH being a coward AT ALL. And they both beat the shit out of Foley and beat him cleanly. Angle cheated to beat Bubba Ray.

He cheated to beat Bubba Dudley? This must've been a long time ago, and I doubt too many people really remember this. To put it another way: it doesn't matter anymore.

 

Angle was booked as a coward because he was so good in the role. That's how the WWE does things, we all have to get over it.

 

The other day, for the first time since... probably ever, I read a column from the Observer website. The columnist said how he was in the Nassau Coliseum for Summerslam, and that anti-Rock chants were starting up an hour and a half before the show even started, and Lesnar didn't get face heat until well into the main event.

Why do NY crowds hate The Rock

[Guest Anglesault]

I agree that the WWE needs to turn either Angle or Benoit face. Though, they should wait until around the Royal Rumble to do it. They should have Eddie & Chavo defend the Tag Team Titles against Angle & Benoit at Armageddon, maybe with a stipulation added. Eddie & Chavo win, due to either Angle or Benoit screwing up. This leads to the big face turn for either man, which would lead to a match between the two at the Royal Rumble or No Way Out.

No, this turn has to happen like, NOW, so the blo off can happen at Armageddon. There is only so long you can stretch "whacky tag partners"