Why RVD didn't win the Elimination Chamber

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

See, Booker/HBK has two or three storylines built in:

 

Booker T., the former FIVE-TIME WCW CHAMPION who is being overlooked, sees winning the World Title (which is HIS old belt) as one last opportunity to make a name for himself and step up, while also avenging the superkick Shawn gave him in the summer, something Booker never avenged.

I don't think the RAW title is the old WCW title.

 

 

It's just the IC title to me.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

The title has no lineage past HHH getting it.

 

It can't. That title was absorbed into the undiputed title.

 

Just because they pulled the physical belt out doesn't mean anything anymore.

 

The belt the Big Show (ugh) holds has a history that dates back to include the entire history of the WWF/E title and the WCW lineage it absorbed at Vengeance 01.

 

Just because Bisch decided to give RAW their own title (I'm going along with the storylines here) doesn't undo the fact that the former WCW lineage is in the Big Show's belt still.

 

It would just make it no longer undisputed since RAW disputes it with their own title, who's lineage contains HHH and HBK.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

The title has no lineage past HHH getting it.

 

It can't. That title was absorbed into the undiputed title.

 

Just because they pulled the physical belt out doesn't mean anything anymore.

 

The belt the Big Show (ugh) holds has a history that dates back to include the entire history of the WWF/E title and the WCW lineage it absorbed at Vengeance 01.

 

Just because Bisch decided to give RAW their own title (I'm going along with the storylines here) doesn't undo the fact that the former WCW lineage is in the Big Show's belt still.

 

It would just make it no longer undisputed since RAW disputes it with their own title, who's lineage contains HHH and HBK.

It has the IC Title's lineage, and all the titles that were untied underneath that title's lineage.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Yes, that is true.

 

Dammit all...it's true.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Yes, that is true.

 

Dammit all...it's true.

But your point remains valid. Booker has no reason to go ballistic on HBK! There is no storyline! I am the walrus!

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Unless he really wants to get back his US title from days gone by...

 

then no.

 

It makes no sense for Booker T to go after that belt if he wants his WCW title back.

 

Big Show's belt soaked that up.

[Guest Mattdotcom]

Damn youse....well, then, since storylines suck anyways, someone stole Booker T.'s replica WCW Title and he wants a replacement. THE BELT LOOKS THE SAME. DISPUTE THAT.

 

*Prepares for BPS and MrZsasz to deconstruct another theory*

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I'm not saying they shouldn't go with that storyline.

 

They already pretend that the belt has WCW lineage anyway...

 

I'm just saying that like most things in the WWE...it doesn't REALLY make sense.

 

Would make a good storyline though.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Damn youse....well, then, since storylines suck anyways, someone stole Booker T.'s replica WCW Title and he wants a replacement. THE BELT LOOKS THE SAME. DISPUTE THAT.

 

*Prepares for BPS and MrZsasz to deconstruct another theory*

Well, since the replicas have the winners name permanantly engraved, there's no way he'd be going after HBK's belt. He'd KNOW they wern't the same.

[Guest Mattdotcom]

Heh, good job. But, Booker does have one reason for going after Shawn: the superkick and dismissal from the nWo. All Booker did was beat X-Pac and Big Show and allow Nash to walk over him. Three down, one to go.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Heh, good job. But, Booker does have one reason for going after Shawn: the superkick and dismissal from the nWo. All Booker did was beat X-Pac and Big Show and allow Nash to walk over him. Three down, one to go.

He already acknowledged the superkick in a promo and has gotten over it.

 

 

It's been a few monthes. It would be pathetic to see him still angry, and you'd have to turn him heel.

 

 

You know what THAT means.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

I'd just like to weigh in on the original topic of this post with the notion that, no, there's no way RVD will win on Monday.

 

When was the last time we had a World title change of either sort on free TV? At least a year. They just don't do that.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I'd just like to weigh in on the original topic of this post with the notion that, no, there's no way RVD will win on Monday.

 

When was the last time we had a World title change of either sort on free TV? At least a year. They just don't do that.

They may do if they feel people will tune in because a title change may happen. That's why people watched in 98. The unpredictability.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

They'd better be real careful.

 

I suspect there will be more people watching on Monday than have been watching in some time.

 

While it's true that many of them are watching to see RVD vs. HBK...

 

a good number of the people watching also want to see RVD finally win the goddamn thing.

 

They could lose all those people again when HHH comes in to scoop the limelight.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

They'd better be real careful.

 

I suspect there will be more people watching on Monday than have been watching in some time.

 

While it's true that many of them are watching to see RVD vs. HBK...

 

a good number of the people watching also want to see RVD finally win the goddamn thing.

 

They could lose all those people again when HHH comes in to scoop the limelight.

If they screw RVD again, the next show will be 3.1

[Guest geniusMoment]

Earlier people said that HBK and Sid were friends which is why HBK dropped the title to Sid. Actually Shawn didn't like Sid and the day after Sid beat him for the title shawn did an interview with a paper and called Sid the most expensive piece of luggage in the wwf because everyone must "carry" him in the ring. As for this Mondays raw all I know is that I've told everyone in my dorm who likes or used to like wrestling about HBK vs. RVD this monday and they are all planning on watching for the first time since about summerslam 2000. Please don't make me look like an idiot and screw us out of the match vince. This is your chance to win back some viewers, skip the stupid thanksgiving themed show and give us some great storylines and wrestling.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

I agree with this, but why have the title change on a Raw from friggin N. Charleston?? That's hardly a notable place for such a match.

It's really Charleston, which is much bigger, but the arena in which we have everything is in the North area. I wish they'd call it Charleston instead of North Charleston, as the North area is so... ugh.

 

Either way, would anyone have picked Worcester, MA for Foley's title win? The point is that location is irrelevant, as the crowds will be small wherever they go, and people don't really care so much about where matches were anymore as they care about when.

 

Besides, I'll be there, so backdafuckup!

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Earlier people said that HBK and Sid were friends which is why HBK dropped the title to Sid. Actually Shawn didn't like Sid and the day after Sid beat him for the title shawn did an interview with a paper and called Sid the most expensive piece of luggage in the wwf because everyone must "carry" him in the ring. As for this Mondays raw all I know is that I've told everyone in my dorm who likes or used to like wrestling about HBK vs. RVD this monday and they are all planning on watching for the first time since about summerslam 2000. Please don't make me look like an idiot and screw us out of the match vince. This is your chance to win back some viewers, skip the stupid thanksgiving themed show and give us some great storylines and wrestling.

I have heard of that video and it was an inside work between Sid and Shawn. Bret and Shawn had something like this too, as did Pillman and Sullivan.

[Guest CanadianChris]

I agree with this, but why have the title change on a Raw from friggin N. Charleston?? That's hardly a notable place for such a match.

Less notable than, say, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (Bret Hart), or Worcester, MA (Mick Foley)? The performers make the match notable, not the place.

 

Besides, there hasn't been a title change on RAW in ages, and DAMMIT, WE NEED ONE.

[Guest wwF1587]

They'd better be real careful.

 

I suspect there will be more people watching on Monday than have been watching in some time.

 

While it's true that many of them are watching to see RVD vs. HBK...

 

a good number of the people watching also want to see RVD finally win the goddamn thing.

 

They could lose all those people again when HHH comes in to scoop the limelight.

If they screw RVD again, the next show will be 3.1

I will help them acheive 3.1 next week if RVD loses cause of GOD. If GOD ruins my fantasy match, sucks up all the heat RVD has now, thus reducing him to undercard hell... they will lose another fan until they get their act together...

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

It's always possible that HHH will return before the HBK/RVD match...

 

and people will just turn it off early.

 

HHH is ratings poison.

 

They can say the rating went up because it was coming off of a ppv...but the fact is ratings haven't been popping after ppvs where HHH retains the title.

 

Only the one after he finally lost it.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

It just occured to me while listening to a caller to WOL what the absolute perfect way to fuck this up would be.

 

1. HHH comes back as a face. Which we have read coming out of various places.

 

2. RVD wins the title...and turns heel.

 

3. HHH gets his revenge on RVD immediatly at Armaggeddon thus killing RVDs heat (which we already learned from Jericho can only happen when you turn popular faces heel).

 

Its almost too perfect!

 

It also works without giving RVD the title I guess...so that would be even better...or worse depending on your perspective.

[Guest jester]

I won't be able to watch Raw, so I'm going to miss whatever happens. And my prediction is that they are going to ruin it in a spectacular way.

[Guest SP-1]

I agree with this, but why have the title change on a Raw from friggin N. Charleston?? That's hardly a notable place for such a match.

Someone may have already said this, I haven't read the entire thread, so I apologize if anyone has.

 

However, if they are trying to hype RAW as the flagship show, where anything can happen, they may mention that this is the first, EVER Raw from North Charleston. JR was hyping the town alot last week, I noticed because, to my knowledge, he doesn't usually keep repeating the town's name for the NEXT show during his commentary. They may be planning one hell of a show since it's the first ever from Charleston, and if they hype that fact it may be an attempt to show that anything can happen at RAW.

 

Just my theory, weak as it may be.

 

SP

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

They'd better be real careful.

 

I suspect there will be more people watching on Monday than have been watching in some time.

 

While it's true that many of them are watching to see RVD vs. HBK...

 

a good number of the people watching also want to see RVD finally win the goddamn thing.

 

They could lose all those people again when HHH comes in to scoop the limelight.

If they screw RVD again, the next show will be 3.1

I will help them acheive 3.1 next week if RVD loses cause of GOD. If GOD ruins my fantasy match, sucks up all the heat RVD has now, thus reducing him to undercard hell... they will lose another fan until they get their act together...

We've been hearing a lot of reports that Vince McMahon is *shocked* by the reactions RVD got at MSG, and at RAW last week.

 

 

Perhaps, we will see a new champion at Armageddon, and perhaps his name will be... R...V...D!

[ChrisMWaters 0]

They'd better be real careful.

 

I suspect there will be more people watching on Monday than have been watching in some time.

 

While it's true that many of them are watching to see RVD vs. HBK...

 

a good number of the people watching also want to see RVD finally win the goddamn thing.

 

They could lose all those people again when HHH comes in to scoop the limelight.

If they screw RVD again, the next show will be 3.1

I will help them acheive 3.1 next week if RVD loses cause of GOD. If GOD ruins my fantasy match, sucks up all the heat RVD has now, thus reducing him to undercard hell... they will lose another fan until they get their act together...

We've been hearing a lot of reports that Vince McMahon is *shocked* by the reactions RVD got at MSG, and at RAW last week.

 

 

Perhaps, we will see a new champion at Armageddon, and perhaps his name will be... R...V...D!

I still find that funny...considering the loud pops that RVD's been getting for a long time now...

 

And the loud pop he got at Royal Rumble 2002...

 

and the EXTREMELY loud boos Booker T got for eliminating him from that match.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

They'd better be real careful.

 

I suspect there will be more people watching on Monday than have been watching in some time.

 

While it's true that many of them are watching to see RVD vs. HBK...

 

a good number of the people watching also want to see RVD finally win the goddamn thing.

 

They could lose all those people again when HHH comes in to scoop the limelight.

If they screw RVD again, the next show will be 3.1

I will help them acheive 3.1 next week if RVD loses cause of GOD. If GOD ruins my fantasy match, sucks up all the heat RVD has now, thus reducing him to undercard hell... they will lose another fan until they get their act together...

We've been hearing a lot of reports that Vince McMahon is *shocked* by the reactions RVD got at MSG, and at RAW last week.

 

 

Perhaps, we will see a new champion at Armageddon, and perhaps his name will be... R...V...D!

I still find that funny...considering the loud pops that RVD's been getting for a long time now...

 

And the loud pop he got at Royal Rumble 2002...

 

and the EXTREMELY loud boos Booker T got for eliminating him from that match.

No one ever said McMahon was the brightest bulb in the package.