Topics that Incite Debate

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Here's where you can post and argue topics that inspired fierce debate in their day, or do now.

 

 

Here's mine: Lindsey Buckingham is better than Stevie Nicks will ever be.

 

 

I have pretty wicked arguements about who "carried" Fleetwood mac, I'm a Lindsey fan myself.

[Guest Kinetic]

I would debate over who had this idea first, but I'm so ecstatic that it's been resuscitated that I don't even care.

 

Now, let me tell YOU something...I don't know anything about Fleetwood Mac. From what I've been able to piece together, it seems like both of them were strong creative forces and that, along with a number of incestuous band relationships, led to their downfall. But for the sake of argument, I'll say that Stevie Nicks was not only the driving force behind that band but also a major inspiration to anyone who ever desired to tie stuff around their microphone stand.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I would debate over who had this idea first, but I'm so ecstatic that it's been resuscitated that I don't even care.

 

Now, let me tell YOU something...I don't know anything about Fleetwood Mac. From what I've been able to piece together, it seems like both of them were strong creative forces and that, along with a number of incestuous band relationships, led to their downfall. But for the sake of argument, I'll say that Stevie Nicks was not only the driving force behind that band but also a major inspiration to anyone who ever desired to tie stuff around their microphone stand.

Lindsey Buckingham did about 70% of the production and songwriter and is the main vocalist on RUMOURS' two most sucessful singles, TUSK's most sucessful single, as well as TANGO IN THE NIGHT and BIG LOVE.

 

 

Steveie got the credit, her songs almost all sound the same. *That's why every Reunion Tour album and Greatest Hits album has "With Special Thanks to Lindsey Buckingham" not Stevie.

[Guest Kinetic]

But, uh...you know, "Landslide" is a pretty good song.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

"Landslide" is an awesome song. Although "Jigsaw Puzzle Blues" is bad-ass as well, "Landslide" is easily my favorite Fleetwood Mac song (although I actually like the Smashing Pumpkins' karaoke cover version a little better).

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

The Chain all the way.

[Guest Kinetic]

Oh, god. Even the Dixie Chicks' version of "Landslide" is better than Billy Corgan's off-key, one-take desecration.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

But, uh...you know, "Landslide" is a pretty good song.

But is it as good as "Tusk"?

 

 

I think not.

 

 

I'm listening to the best of Fleetwood Mac right now, and Buckingham's songs are easily disernable from Nicks'. He is the one who took the chances, musically. Every Nicks song sounds like "Lies" or "Rhiannon" Buckingham is the reason Tango in the Night sounds different from Tusk and Tusk sounds different from Rumours. Nicks just wanted to do Rumours over again.

 

Buckingham managed to craft two equally cool and completely different songs for Rumours that ended up being the most sucessful singles from that album (Don't Stop and "Go Your Own Way")

[Guest Kinetic]

Seeing those song titles reminded me that I hate Fleetwood Mac.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Grace Slick > Stevie Nicks

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Seeing those song titles reminded me that I hate Fleetwood Mac.

Somehow this turned into a Fleetwood mac topic.

 

 

Here's a topic: In the early NY punk scene Talking Heads were a much better band musically, and yet even Blondie gets more props from punk fans.

 

I think it's because Talking Heads broke out of the punk rock mold and became better.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Grace Slick > Stevie Nicks

David Byrne > Joey Ramone > Blondie

 

 

Sorry, but someone had to say it.

[Guest Kinetic]

Well, AoO, what's your take on Starship? They seem to be quite possibly the worst band in the history of recorded music and it's difficult to see how anything could tie "We Built This City" to "White Rabbit."

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

hahahahahahaha. Fuckin' Starship. That's really all that can be said about it. Laugh at their pointlessness and keep on walkin'.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Well, AoO, what's your take on Starship? They seem to be quite possibly the worst band in the history of recorded music and it's difficult to see how anything could tie "We Built This City" to "White Rabbit."

Does anyone else think it was rather uncreative to name a new band after your old band?

[Guest Kinetic]

Here's a topic: In the early NY punk scene Talking Heads were a much better band musically, and yet even Blondie gets more props from punk fans.

 

I think it's because Talking Heads broke out of the punk rock mold and became better.

The thing is that punk fans are fucking idiots who don't have a clue what they're talking about. I see loads more praise for the Talking Heads than any other American band to emerge during that time period, including The Ramones. And rightfully so, given that the complexity of their music (and the quality) far surpasses just about anything happening on either side of the Atlantic in the late 70s and early 80s. You'll hear praise for The Ramones because they can lay a pretty legitimate claim to what's traditionally viewed as "punk rock," but the Talking Heads definitely get the better of it.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Seriously though, the only role they served at all was for soft rock radio stations to insert little retarded comments about the city they broadcast from in the song. I remember well listening for school delay reports when I was a wee lad from the only station that broadcasted them in any sort of updated fashion, and they'd play that song at least once every morning, with ghey crap like "It's a beautiful day in the Summit City." (even if there were drifts on the roads) and other one liners from the dj's and things in the song. It probably took the station about 10 minutes to make that cart, and they probably used it for over a decade. Hell, they might still be doing so.

 

We built this city....

[Guest Kinetic]

Does anyone else think it was rather uncreative to name a new band after your old band?

Yes, but Starship were not renowned for their creativity or innovation. It's unfortunate that cramming my head with thousands of songs has yet to rid me of the memory of "We Built This City" or "Sarah." No time is a good time for goodbye, I guess.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Here's a topic: In the early NY punk scene Talking Heads were a much better band musically, and yet even Blondie gets more props from punk fans.

 

I think it's because Talking Heads broke out of the punk rock mold and became better.

The thing is that punk fans are fucking idiots who don't have a clue what they're talking about. I see loads more praise for the Talking Heads than any other American band to emerge during that time period, including The Ramones. And rightfully so, given that the complexity of their music (and the quality) far surpasses just about anything happening on either side of the Atlantic in the late 70s and early 80s. You'll hear praise for The Ramones because they can lay a pretty legitimate claim to what's traditionally viewed as "punk rock," but the Talking Heads definitely get the better of it.

See you may think they get a lot of praise. That's because you're intellegent, and try to read things written by intellegent people.

 

 

If you talked to some of *my* friends you'd have a whole new perspective on what some people think.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

The trick to that is to listen to music that your friends either despise or can't understand enough to form an opinion about it.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

The trick to that is to listen to music that your friends either despise or can't understand enough to form an opinion about it.

Any recommendations?

 

I like TH, Pink Floyd, Tom Petty, CCR, Zepplin, and the Stones.

[Guest Kinetic]

Necrobucket.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Necrobucket OWNZ Metallica. That much is true.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

If you really want to mess with your friends, pick up the following:

 

Tribes of Neurot

Sunn

Third Ear Band

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

If you really want to mess with your friends, pick up the following:

 

Tribes of Neurot

Sunn

Third Ear Band

Can I find them at my local record store?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Doubt it.

 

Definitely not Sunn, maybe Tribes if your store has a good metal selection (they're not really heavy, though). Third Ear Band's probably the most likely.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

Tribes of Neurot will make your friends think you're crazy, and/or going to kill them slowly some night with a futuristic icepick.

 

...well, that's what I get out of them at least. Huzzah.

 

I once was in a play where we re-enacted the Kennedy assassination to some Tribes, using umbrellas. I'm pretty sure the director was way high when she conceived that plan.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Oh my god that's a fucking awesome idea.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

...you're gonna get high and do it now, aren't you?

 

Best of luck.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Tribes of Neurot will make your friends think you're crazy, and/or going to kill them slowly some night with a futuristic icepick.

 

...well, that's what I get out of them at least. Huzzah.

 

I once was in a play where we re-enacted the Kennedy assassination to some Tribes, using umbrellas. I'm pretty sure the director was way high when she conceived that plan.

(Imagines JFK with an all-umbrella cast)

 

 

Garrison: ...

 

Shaw: ...

 

Garrison: ...

 

Shaw: ...

 

(Flashback)

 

Oswald: ....