Guest Kingpk Report post Posted November 23, 2002 ABUJA, Nigeria (Nov. 22) - Organizers of the Miss World pageant said on Friday they were moving the event from Nigeria to London after more than 100 people died in Muslim protest riots in the West African state. ''Miss World Organization and Silver Bird Productions Limited, organizers of the 2002 Miss World pageant, have decided to move the grand finale to London, England,'' the organizers said in a statement. ''This decision was taken after careful consideration of all the issues involved and in the overall interests of Nigeria and the contestants participating in this year's edition,'' it added. Pageant spokeswoman Stella Din said the London pageant would take place on December 7, the same date as had been originally scheduled for the event in Nigeria. The statement made no specific reference to the riots, which were sparked by an article in a Nigerian newspaper suggesting the Prophet Mohammad would probably have married one of the Miss World beauty queens. Fighting raged on Friday in the city of Kaduna in the mainly Muslim north of the country. The Nigerian Red Cross said the death toll was at least 105 by Friday morning. Witnesses later spoke of more killings by civilians and security forces. The Red Cross said 3,000 people had been displaced and hundreds injured. The violence erupted on Wednesday when rampaging Muslims burned the offices of the independent Lagos-based newspaper This Day in Kaduna. The newspaper had published the article and later apologized. Eyewitnesses said fighting spread from mainly Muslim districts to Christian-dominated areas on Friday, despite a 24-hour curfew. Reuters 18:55 11-22-02 Ok, for all the talk about Muslims being "for peace", stuff like this does not make them look good at all. I mean, I'm sure that the majority of Muslims are great people, but COME ON now, all this for one damn line in a newspaper? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slapnuts00 Report post Posted November 23, 2002 Killing hundreds of innocents in a riot "for God" is justafiable. Celebrating beauty in a world collaboration is unacceptable. Draw your own conclusions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cynicalprofit Report post Posted November 23, 2002 im pretty sure this is what i was reading in the paper, but whats not mentioned in your version is that they were SETTING PEOPLE ON FIRE. We so dont know how to riot in the USA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kkktookmybabyaway Report post Posted November 23, 2002 I heard on Fox News that the article said that Muhammad (sp) would have taken a Miss World contestant as his own... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slapnuts00 Report post Posted November 23, 2002 I heard on Fox News that the article said that Muhammad (sp) would have taken a Miss World contestant as his own... See, even if it was offensive, appropriate reaction is not to riot through the streets killing innocent Christians while yelling "God Is Great!" Which is the prime difference between their culture and ours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted November 24, 2002 What they did was a horrible thing but you'd think the newspaper would have known that the Muslims would have reacted that way? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted November 24, 2002 Does anyone still want to tell me this a religion of peace? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted November 24, 2002 Yes. The "religion" is of peace. The people who practice the religion are obviosly not in some cases. But you can't judge a whole religon on the actions of a few. If we did that Christianity would have been condemded centuries ago. Religions get perverted by the practioners, but that doesn't mean the religion itself isn't sound. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted November 24, 2002 Read the Qu'ran, CWM, then get back to me on that opinion. Christianity WAS a violent, barbaric religion hundreds of years ago. The thing is that religion, as a man-made institution, is absolutely responsible for the atrocities men commit in its name. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted November 24, 2002 Hundreds of years ago? It's still going on today. What about Bosnia, for instance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Blayde Starrfyre Report post Posted November 26, 2002 Read the Qu'ran, CWM, then get back to me on that opinion. I have read it, it says don't kill unbelievers except in self-defense. Whereas the Old Testament supports committing genocide against people who are on the land you want. While it is certainly true that the New Testament is more peaceful than the Koran, the Old Testament contains some of the most reprehensible acts I have ever heard of. What can you say about a religion that celebrates its god killing innocent first-born children? My point? All religions can be used to justify evil acts, not just Islam. The thing is that religion, as a man-made institution, is absolutely responsible for the atrocities men commit in its name. I would not necessarily agree with that. The Gospels in no way support anything like Crusades, homophobia, hatred in general, etc. However, whenever people want to justify that in the context of Christianity, they just look to the Old Testament. So it's not really fair to blame Jesus for people like Jerry Falwell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slapnuts00 Report post Posted November 26, 2002 The difference is for the most part Christians/Jews don't act on the bad stuff and use their religion for peace and tolerance. On a large scale the Middle East is filled with a radical Islamic philosophy that believes in killing all non-believers in the name of God... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted November 26, 2002 I have read it, it says don't kill unbelievers except in self-defense. Ok, let's compare that with some passages from the Qu'ran... "Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out: persecution is severer than slaughter; but do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them. Such is the recompense of the unbelievers." -2.191 "They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be all alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly their homes in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper." - 4.89 "You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these we have given you a clear authority." - 4.91 "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." - 5.51 "And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!" - 9.30 I'm well aware of the contents of the Old Testament, and the Judeo-Christian god's capacity for murder, barbarism, and genocide. (Apparently, these are aspects of moral perfection since their god is perfect, but that's not a popular opinion among the believers...) The difference is, Christianity adapted. It took them a while to get out of the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the various witch trials, but they've managed to get with the times on most things. Islam still treats the world like it's 1000 BC, all lines can be drawn in the sand, and a Jihad for anyone who says differently. It's not just what's in the book, but how it's interpreted by the important leaders of the faith. I would not necessarily agree with that. The Gospels in no way support anything like Crusades, homophobia, hatred in general, etc. You're right, they don't. However, many atrocities have been committed in the names of various religions. Since religion is an institution devised by man, religion as an institution is responsible for the evils men do in its name. So it's not really fair to blame Jesus for people like Jerry Falwell. SOMEONE certainly needs to be blamed for Falwell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted November 26, 2002 I want to be part of a riot some day. I think it'd be fun. It'll also give me a clue as to what the authorities do, close up, to avert such occurrances for when... stuff happens. Kotzenjunge Will Be At The Head Of The Mob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted November 26, 2002 Umm....you'd end up dead maybe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted November 26, 2002 I mean, I'm sure that the majority of Muslims are great people, After any negative article about the Islam religion why does everyone have to say how it's a peaceful religion and the majority of people are great people. The overwhelming majority of Muslems in the U.S. are good people, we know that but do we have to say it everytime their religion does something bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anorak Report post Posted November 26, 2002 All the reports I've seen over here in the UK stated quite clearly that after the initial Muslim led riot huge numbers of Christians responded in kind by butchering Muslims in other parts of the country as the violence escalated. It seems like both religions act as justification for mindless slaughter in that part of the world. Who thought it would be a good idea to hold the event there in the first place? Even I knew Nigeria was a volatile place as far as religious tolerance went, if the organisors were betting on some controversy to give their event some ample news coverage they certainly have not been dissapointed. What more offensive representation of the 'evil and decadant' west could have turned up outside their doors? If thats being overly cynical or even ridiculously far fetched then its still easier to swallow than any genuine belief that the event would have passed off without any incident or controversy in somewhere like Nigeria. However irresponsible or dumb their particular descision it pales next to the actions of that journalist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Julian Report post Posted November 28, 2002 If Imperialist powers had not forced the pageant on the people who did not want it, such riots would not happen. Therefore, blame must lie with the promoters. Beauty pageants are contrary to the spirit of Marxism-Leninism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EricMM Report post Posted November 28, 2002 Beauty pageants are contrary to the spirit of Marxism-Leninism. So? I do think they should have figured out if the general population wanted to have the pagent there or not. If they did, well, then I don't place any blame on the promotor, I place it on the crazy killing bastards. I mean, if we listened to every minority in this country we'd never get anything done. But if the majority of the populance was against it, of course they should have held it somewhere else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted November 29, 2002 Pageants shouldn't be held in Muslem countries. There's too much risk that fanatics will riot like they did in Nigeria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
