When did they last PUSH

[Guest AndrewTS]

Shawn's flying elbow and Moonsault were used a lot, and I think he did use the elbow as a finisher every now and then.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Uhm...

 

...RVD has pinned the Rock, Austin, HHH and the Undertaker with the 5-star Frog Splash.  Plus I can't remember anyone ever kicking out of it.

 

I'd say the constitutes pushing a flying finisher.

Not even the Undertaker kicked out of the 5-Star, he just put his foot on the ropes.

 

 

I think the only time it happened, it took an *obscenely* long ref bump.

I've seen Jerry Lynn pretty much no sell the move and kick out of it.

Oh of course. But those comments were exclusive to the WWE.

 

 

That hasn't happened in the WWE.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Oh of course. But those comments were exclusive to the WWE.

 

 

That hasn't happened in the WWE.

Just like before Angle, Hogan never tapped out in his career.

 

In WCW, he tapped out to the Scorpion Deathlock for Sting's first World Title under the black and white facepaint.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Oh of course. But those comments were exclusive to the WWE.

 

 

That hasn't happened in the WWE.

Just like before Angle, Hogan never tapped out in his career.

 

In WCW, he tapped out to the Scorpion Deathlock for Sting's first World Title under the black and white facepaint.

And to Luger's Totrue Rack, and to Piper's Sleeper Hold.

 

 

The difference here was that, these happened within a few months of each other, and everytime they said it was the first time he tapped.

 

 

Silly WCW.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Oh of course. But those comments were exclusive to the WWE.

 

 

That hasn't happened in the WWE.

Just like before Angle, Hogan never tapped out in his career.

 

In WCW, he tapped out to the Scorpion Deathlock for Sting's first World Title under the black and white facepaint.

And to Luger's Totrue Rack, and to Piper's Sleeper Hold.

 

 

The difference here was that, these happened within a few months of each other, and everytime they said it was the first time he tapped.

 

 

Silly WCW.

I thought that Hogan passed out to PIper's sleeper...

 

By the way...that was the first time before HHH that the Sleeper has been used in the mid-late 90's, isn't it?

 

Not talking about the Million Dollar Dream...as it's suppossed to be (I believe) a combo Sleeper/Nerve Hold

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Oh of course. But those comments were exclusive to the WWE.

 

 

That hasn't happened in the WWE.

Just like before Angle, Hogan never tapped out in his career.

 

In WCW, he tapped out to the Scorpion Deathlock for Sting's first World Title under the black and white facepaint.

And to Luger's Totrue Rack, and to Piper's Sleeper Hold.

 

 

The difference here was that, these happened within a few months of each other, and everytime they said it was the first time he tapped.

 

 

Silly WCW.

I thought that Hogan passed out to PIper's sleeper...

 

By the way...that was the first time before HHH that the Sleeper has been used in the mid-late 90's, isn't it?

 

Not talking about the Million Dollar Dream...as it's suppossed to be (I believe) a combo Sleeper/Nerve Hold

Do mean used to win? Or just used? Because it's been steadily used for a while.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I thought that Hogan passed out to PIper's sleeper...

 

By the way...that was the first time before HHH that the Sleeper has been used in the mid-late 90's, isn't it?

 

Not talking about the Million Dollar Dream...as it's suppossed to be (I believe) a combo Sleeper/Nerve Hold

Do mean used to win? Or just used? Because it's been steadily used for a while.

Used as the finish to the match.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I thought that Hogan passed out to PIper's sleeper...

 

By the way...that was the first time before HHH that the Sleeper has been used in the mid-late 90's, isn't it?

 

Not talking about the Million Dollar Dream...as it's suppossed to be (I believe) a combo Sleeper/Nerve Hold

Do mean used to win? Or just used? Because it's been steadily used for a while.

Used as the finish to the match.

No it hasn't been used. Although the choke version is used in Japan. The closest to being the finish is at SS 96 when Bret used the Sleeperhold counter on Austin to win.

[Guest AndrewTS]

I thought that Hogan passed out to PIper's sleeper...

 

By the way...that was the first time before HHH that the Sleeper has been used in the mid-late 90's, isn't it?

 

Not talking about the Million Dollar Dream...as it's suppossed to be (I believe) a combo Sleeper/Nerve Hold

Do mean used to win? Or just used? Because it's been steadily used for a while.

Used as the finish to the match.

No it hasn't been used. Although the choke version is used in Japan. The closest to being the finish is at SS 96 when Bret used the Sleeperhold counter on Austin to win.

That would be Survivor Series (remember to distingush between them since they have the same first initials) 96. Although wasn't it the Million Dollar Dream that Austin used? Or at least they called it as such?

 

Austin's used the Dream every now and than even post-Ringmaster days.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Not talking about the Million Dollar Dream...as it's suppossed to be (I believe) a combo Sleeper/Nerve Hold

 

Aren't we talking about a Cobra Clutch here?

 

The regular sleeper hold hasn't been consistently used as a finisher for any wrestler in a long time, and it should be kept that way. Talk about an anticlimactic finish. Should this move be used at all anymore? Fans never buy it when wrestlers use them as rest-spots, and when HHH beat Hardy with it people were sickened. I think the ridiculous use of the move recently was when Edge used it after the Hair vs. Hair match to put Angle to sleep so he could shave his head. He should have just knocked the fucker out with a chair or something.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

i hate the fact no one kicks out of the five star. I guess they have to keep him strong just in case, but everyone kicks out of booker's goddamn moves and at least he can sell if need be. Sorry, that was pointless, but I FUCKING HATE RVD SO MUCH.

At least the 5-Star looks like it hurts. I mean RVD sells it like his ribs are broken so how bad is it for the other guy?

 

 

Booker's axe kick looks like a little tap.

he sells the frog splash i'll give him that. He can't sell other people's offense though. I think the problem with a flying finisher is that it takes too long to set up for, and the ending seems predictable. All i see in his matches is him take some bumps then just go 'fuck it' and go to the top and hit it. With something like the diamond cutter, it can be hit from anywhere, on anyone at any time. And it's more believable that you can still do it after getting destroyed for 10 minutes. Booker's axe kick is a weaker finisher though, yeah.

[Guest notJames]

The regular sleeper hold hasn't been consistently used as a finisher for any wrestler in a long time, and it should be kept that way. Talk about an anticlimactic finish. Should this move be used at all anymore? Fans never buy it when wrestlers use them as rest-spots, and when HHH beat Hardy with it people were sickened...

Seems like Trips needed a submission maneuver to keep up with the real deals (Angle, Benoit, Jericho), and is either too bloated or too lazy to learn anything even remotely convincing, so the sleeper it is. Or was. Perhaps the jokes about putting everyone to sleep kinda got to him...

 

As for flying finishers, I know cruisers are hardly seen as Main Event material, but they pimp Kidman's SSP pretty heavily as a legit finisher. At least on that level. I don't recall anyone kicking out of it... maybe grabbing the ropes to break the count...