RVD, HBK and the fans

[Guest ShooterJay]

The HBK/RVD match is obviously the biggest match in Rob's career, a potential star maker, but aside from delivering in the ring, the crowd reactions will be just as, if not more, important.

 

I think what would really wake up WWE is if RVD out-popped Michaels, who they're promoting as the inspirational, sympathetic, comeback story of the year. It might be tough, because this'll be Shawn's first free TV match in 5 years and the crowd'll be hot for him.

 

But if this does happen, they'll have to do SOMETHING big with him, right?

[Guest thetrendsetter]

Rob Van Dam is a Charismatic Dynamo. He can get a better reaction out of almost anyone in history... I think the heel will be Triple H, when he ruins a smarks "Wet Dream" match...

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Where is RAW going to be at?

 

I still think that something is going to go wrong. An injury angle or something setting up a 3-way dance for the title at Armageddon. Man, I hope that I'm wrong.

 

Seriously though, HBK & RVD are both face. I don't see either one turning anytime soon, so a heel has to get involved somehow. Hopefully, some ignorant stipulation isn't added on RAW.

 

I don't even know who I want to win the match yet. HBK seems to be wrestling well.. you can tell that he doesn't land the same way that he used to when he takes bumps though. He comes down on his feet most of the time. RVD's offense is horrible though.. so I don't really wanna see him in the main event.

 

Then again, he's one of the best options available..

[Guest razazteca]

RVD already out popped HBK last week, Shawn tried saying nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu world champ but all the crowd did was chant R-V-D.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Charleston, South Carolina will do its damndest to have RVD out-pop everyone.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest Flyboy]

I wouldn't be surprised if HBK won, and the crowd boo'ed the hell out of him.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

That'd be a great way to turn HBK heel... but it'd still be far more useful for RVD to win

[Guest RedJed]

Rob Van Dam is a Charismatic Dynamo. He can get a better reaction out of almost anyone in history...

Whoa there, I think thats kind of overreaction there. RVD isn't THAT over......sure he can get the crowd on his side like the next guy, but to say he's gotten a crowd to go nuts for him in levels comparable to Austin, Hogan, Flair, etc in their primes is ridiculous.

 

With that said, I can expect Van Dam to get the crowd with him more than Michaels will come tomorrow night. The story isn't there anymore with HBK getting the sympathy from the HHH feud since Michaels has conquered what he set out to do, which is also why the HHH-HBK feud also has no more steam at this point and might as well be finished.

 

An ideal scenario for tomorrow would be for Van Dam to win clean, and that sets up a heel turn by Michaels after the match. That would then just lead to a rematch at the ppv or something in a match where roles were more defined for each guy. Van Dam then goes over again in that match and by then, would get a decent amount of credibility as world champ.

[Guest AndrewTS]

I think what would really wake up WWE is if RVD out-popped Michaels, who they're promoting as the inspirational, sympathetic, comeback story of the year.

I thought it was the second one, since didn't Hogan already did that?

 

Oh, and RVD isn't over like those mofos yet. However, it's comparable to their early days. Imagine if he was pushed like they were, though...

[Guest MrRant]

Rob Van Dam is a Charismatic Dynamo. He can get a better reaction out of almost anyone in history...

Whoa there, I think thats kind of overreaction there. RVD isn't THAT over......sure he can get the crowd on his side like the next guy, but to say he's gotten a crowd to go nuts for him in levels comparable to Austin, Hogan, Flair, etc in their primes is ridiculous.

 

With that said, I can expect Van Dam to get the crowd with him more than Michaels will come tomorrow night. The story isn't there anymore with HBK getting the sympathy from the HHH feud since Michaels has conquered what he set out to do, which is also why the HHH-HBK feud also has no more steam at this point and might as well be finished.

 

An ideal scenario for tomorrow would be for Van Dam to win clean, and that sets up a heel turn by Michaels after the match. That would then just lead to a rematch at the ppv or something in a match where roles were more defined for each guy. Van Dam then goes over again in that match and by then, would get a decent amount of credibility as world champ.

That would depend on whether the average fan views HBK as credible or a cripple.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

Rob Van Dam is a Charismatic Dynamo.

*Reads comment*

 

...

 

*Re-watches RVD's mic work this week*

 

....HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

 

ANYWAY, didn't ole HBK mention Rob's name this week and it was met with a negative reaction? I'd have to re-watch the show again, but im positive someone mentioned his name and the fans didn't exactly blow their loads.

 

Illusion - Now done disgusting the masses

[Guest RedJed]

Rob Van Dam is a Charismatic Dynamo. He can get a better reaction out of almost anyone in history...

Whoa there, I think thats kind of overreaction there. RVD isn't THAT over......sure he can get the crowd on his side like the next guy, but to say he's gotten a crowd to go nuts for him in levels comparable to Austin, Hogan, Flair, etc in their primes is ridiculous.

 

With that said, I can expect Van Dam to get the crowd with him more than Michaels will come tomorrow night. The story isn't there anymore with HBK getting the sympathy from the HHH feud since Michaels has conquered what he set out to do, which is also why the HHH-HBK feud also has no more steam at this point and might as well be finished.

 

An ideal scenario for tomorrow would be for Van Dam to win clean, and that sets up a heel turn by Michaels after the match. That would then just lead to a rematch at the ppv or something in a match where roles were more defined for each guy. Van Dam then goes over again in that match and by then, would get a decent amount of credibility as world champ.

That would depend on whether the average fan views HBK as credible or a cripple.

Good point. But he defeated HHH twice this year, something that hardly anyone has ever done in years, much less a few months apart from each other. So there is some credibility in that sense. Van Dam has been basically booked to be looked inferior to HHH (as has everyone except Shawn) so if Van Dam defeats the guy who was dominant over the GOD of Raw, it hopefully should say something to the masses if they use some sort of "mark" logic.

 

Basically I look at it this way, you defeat a major star once in a match, most will probably consider it nothing special.......but if you do it twice (such as Michaels did, and what RVD could do if he wins on Raw and at the ppv in a rematch) theres a little more importance to it.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

I have a feeling that HHH will somehow get involved, and set up a Triple Threat match for the title at Armageddon between himself, HBK, and RVD. If that does happen, I really hope that RVD wins the World Title. That way, both HBK and HHH would be out of the title picture.

[Guest NoCalMike]

gotta remember, RVD is doing it all without the aid of a finger in the "creative process" I mean, RVD basically has to prove McMahon and Gerwitz wrong every night he goes out there to show why he can and should be the champ on RAW. As to where other guys can go out and fail to draw and garner ratings yet walk around with the belt that was handed to them in order to solidify their existence.

[Guest creativename]

RVD's pops are nothing compared to what they were a year ago, or even 6 months ago. That's because of horrible booking and awkward half-hearted pushes though, not really because of his character becoming stale.

 

The fans also booed RVD when he scissors-kicked Booker in the triple threat match, just like they booed Booker when he attacked RVD at Survivor Series. Fans just aren't digging a Booker-RVD feud at all. If it does happen, that might be one of the most heatless face vs. face feuds ever, and will only give the WWE an excuse to depush both guys.

 

That said, RVD's still the most over guy on Raw, on a level with Jericho. Along with Steiner of course, who gets more reaction than either, but his situation is clearly different. And pretty much no one gets as much heat these days in the WWE as they used to.

 

BTW, is anyone else deathly afraid that if HHH is still injured, their backup plan is for Booker to turn heel and interfere against RVD on Monday, then go with a "lack of respect" gimmick? They would then do RVD-Booker at Armageddon. I think that angle would fail miserably.

[Guest RedJed]

God, I hope they don't do that with a Booker heel turn. He just was turned face earlier in the middle of the year. If they do that, I totally give up on the prospect of either guy going anywhere in the company.

[Guest MixxMaster]

BTW, is anyone else deathly afraid that if HHH is still injured, their backup plan is for Booker to turn heel and interfere against RVD on Monday, then go with a "lack of respect" gimmick?  They would then do RVD-Booker at Armageddon.  I think that angle would fail miserably.

I also feel that IF there is interference, it will either be Jericho or Booker T. I seriously DON'T feel that HHH will physically interfere in the match, as he himself has said that he isn't supposed to wrestle for 10 days at least, and I feel that Vince will hold him to the doctors' orders, as he's Vince's boy...Ideally, he should take a nice 1-2 month reprieve, as he's been on too much, and needs some time off, not to mention the throat and possible arm injury...

 

An ideal scenario for tomorrow would be for Van Dam to win clean, and that sets up a heel turn by Michaels after the match. That would then just lead to a rematch at the ppv or something in a match where roles were more defined for each guy. Van Dam then goes over again in that match and by then, would get a decent amount of credibility as world champ.

 

I wholeheartedly agree, although a heel turn by Shawn this quick upon his return, and this close to actually really hanging up the tights for good, sounds crazy. I do see a rematch, most likely face vs. face RVD/HBK at Armageddon, with RVD either getting a dq win to retain(if he goes over tonight), thanks to HHH-interference, or RVD winning clean from HBK, and cementing RVD in the ME, either way, it will allow the HBK/HHH feud to continue, so Hunter can get a job back, before HBK defeats him for good, THEN possibly retire...then we hopefully can see Jericho/RVD feud for awhile.

[Guest MixxMaster]

Oh, to further enforce my belief that HHH will not interfere this match:

 

Triple H’s injury has been diagnosed as a swollen neck, which makes breathing and talking difficult because of pressure on his esophagus and trachea. His worked injury of a crushed trachea is an overstatement.

 

He was originally going to spend a second night in the hospital to undergo more observations, but rushed back to the arena for Raw.

 

On the spot where RVD landed on HHH, the idea was for Van Dam to have a worked knee injury leading to his elimination, but he landed wrong.

 

HHH is expected back the Monday after Thanksgiving for Raw.

 

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

 

w00t!!! Sounds like ANOTHER HHH-free Raw.

Damn, I haven't been anticipating a Raw this much in a LONG time...

[Guest Trivia247]

Shawn has proven that he can still go. No matter How "Crippled" He is. He managed to hit his Main Spots in these matches, hell who would have thought him capable of doing a Moonsault? He taken some big bumps for someone coming off a back injury four years ago. his timing might be slow, but thats also his age creeping up on him. Shawn been in in the WWF since the age of Akeem Big Bossman, Andre the Giant the Brainbusters and Hogan vs Randy savage. he is about 10 MPH slower than Van Dam, where as everyone else is about 5 MPH slower than him. Few people really can keep up with RVD and one of them they Fired and went to NWA TNA.

 

it will be interesting if RVD does slow his pace to make the match more flowing or will he try for his quick n sloppy spot spot spot and Bloody up HBK's mouth.

[Guest notJames]

You guys are all operating under the assumption that HBK's return is a long-term deal. Somehow I don't think that's what's in the plan.

 

Occam's Razor will tell you that the RVD/HBK match will merely serve as a backdrop for HHH to interfere, setting up the Armageddon World Title match between he and HBK, wherein he'll get his two jobs back and send the cripple packing, thus cementing his status as an "icon killer" (in more ways than one). This will also further shunt RVD down the card yet again, until the next time they need to make any other Kliq member look good. (Oooh, just in time for Nash's lumbering return in January, no?)

 

Even if it does end up a 3-way at Armageddon, what do you think RVD will be in there for, other than to bump like a freak for HHHe-Man's vicious knee-intensive offense or HBK's girly kicks and prancing?

 

Couple this with the inevitable Big Job part 2 (where Lesnar will regain his title but lose his credibility further), and Armageddon's looking sorely lacking in the main event. What a shocker.

[Guest Brian]

I'm assuming that besides this RAW match you can get two other singles matches, then Shawn drops the title to Jericho at Armageddon and Triple H's interference sparks a need for RVD's revenge at Armageddon. Jericho being a heel needs to be in singles and should drop the tag titles soon. Then, HBK goes after HHH and gets to work the rumble, but loses. No real bumps involved. NWO, you can milk a tag match with Jericho/HHH vs. HBK/RVD or Booker T (depending who wins the rumble). HHH over HBK to get his win back. Then at Mania, Shawn gets his revenge and pins HHH while either they capitalize on Booker while he's hot or hand the ball to RVD.

[Guest Celtic Jobber]

Last night on Wrestling Observer Live a caller said that RVD will turn heel tonight and Triple H will come back as a face; Dave Meltzer said it's a possibility but he hasn't heard anything about it.

 

Knowing that the average IQ of a WOL caller is somewhere around 87; I'd take that with a grain of salt, but for some reason with the retards in charge of RAW I think it'll happen.

[Guest Angle-plex]

Heel RVD = Gold

 

His character works much better as a heel. I kind of hope he does turn tonight, so when he wrestles a face Triple H, the crowd will still be behind RVD.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Heel RVD = Gold

 

His character works much better as a heel. I kind of hope he does turn tonight, so when he wrestles a face Triple H, the crowd will still be behind RVD.

I'd rather see RVD quit.

 

 

Chris Jericho should really say something to RVD.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

He isn't as over as those guys in their primes...but they all got pushed. RVD got himself to the next level without the WWE ever giving him anything for more than 3 weeks at a time.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

A heel champ has to win a majority of the time. If he doesn't, he looks weak as hell.

 

HHH won't allow RVD to be booked strong.

[Guest the pinjockey]

I want to see an RVD chant the whole way through the show, maybe that will get Vince's attention.

 

And a heel RVD is just going to be a mega-face RVD. What can he do to turn heel, hit HBK with a chair to win the match (who cares)

 

Especially how would they turn both? have RVD beat down HBK with a sledgehammer, have HHH come out for the save, have HHH and HBK hug, wow that is ghey.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I want to see an RVD chant the whole way through the show, maybe that will get Vince's attention.

 

And a heel RVD is just going to be a mega-face RVD. What can he do to turn heel, hit HBK with a chair to win the match (who cares)

 

Especially how would they turn both? have RVD beat down HBK with a sledgehammer, have HHH come out for the save, have HHH and HBK hug, wow that is ghey.

That scenario would make RVD more popular. He would look like a ruthless face. (ala Austin) HHH isn't popular enough to turn him heel.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

That's the funny part.

 

HBK and HHH are the RAW show lately...

 

and neither one of them is popular enough to turn RVD heel over.

 

*laughs*

[Guest the pinjockey]

Is anyone over enough to turn him heel? Rock always comes out on the short end of face/face fights and there aren't any other mega-faces to use.