Guest redbaron51 Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 Think about it. RVD injured Triple H (so says WWE) New champ. RVD Becomes champ, has a good reign Triple H comes back Triple H is champ. RVD is jobbing to Rico in a year..... seems familiar no? I know it seems highly unlikely that RVD would be jobbed, but just before Jericho was champ, he was as over as the rock, and austin.... thats damn good....
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 Jericho wasn't even close to being as over as Rock and/or Austin was. RVD isn't either, but he is the most over guy in the promotion at this point, even if I do hate him.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 Jericho wasn't even close to being as over as Rock and/or Austin was. RVD isn't either, but he is the most over guy in the promotion at this point, even if I do hate him. RVD was over enough to ME his third PPV. He'd be more over, if the WWE didn't book him to lose every opportunity he gets. RVD should pull a Honkey Tonk man, and threaten to show up on TNA bad-mouthing the WWE and it's management unless he gets to win a match.
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 Jericho wasn't even close to being as over as Rock and/or Austin was. RVD isn't either, but he is the most over guy in the promotion at this point, even if I do hate him. RVD was over enough to ME his third PPV. True, but he was never close to being as over as Rock or Austin was, simple as that.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 Jericho wasn't even close to being as over as Rock and/or Austin was. RVD isn't either, but he is the most over guy in the promotion at this point, even if I do hate him. RVD was over enough to ME his third PPV. True, but he was never close to being as over as Rock or Austin was, simple as that. Actually: RVD, 01 > Austin, early 97 in terms of heat. Simple as that. If he had gotten a push he would have been equal to present day Austin or Rock.
Guest razazteca Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 if RVD did become champ WWE make Bischoff or Vince his manager to kill whatever heat he has.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 if RVD did become champ WWE make Bischoff or Vince his manager to kill whatever heat he has. Yeah, because Heyman *totally* killed Brock's heat. Oh wait... Plus, RVD is good on the stick, he doesn't need one.
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 Actually: RVD, 01 > Austin, early 97 in terms of heat. Simple as that. If he had gotten a push he would have been equal to present day Austin or Rock. I was comparing them at their peak of overness, not how over they were when they started out. At their peaks of popularity, the only guy to ever come close to Austin and Rock was Hogan. RVD never has been, nor ever will be comparable to any of those three. Game, set, MATCH.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 Actually: RVD, 01 > Austin, early 97 in terms of heat. Simple as that. If he had gotten a push he would have been equal to present day Austin or Rock. I was comparing them at their peak of overness, not how over they were when they started out. At their peaks of popularity, the only guy to ever come close to Austin and Rock was Hogan. RVD never has been, nor ever will be comparable to any of those three. Game, set, MATCH. Umm, I was talking about Austin and RVD at comparable points in their WWE careers. This is a *far* more rational thing to do than what you did. RVD is more over than anyone else on the roster, and if he gets a push tonight then I think you'll see a pop bigger than anything we've seen for Austin a long, long time.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 That's because the WWE chose to cut him off when HHH got back. In December and January he was blowing out everyone including the returning HHH and Austin and Rock. If they took the build RVD had given them in terms of overness and ran with it it is quite possible that he could have attained that status. instead they buried him and decided it would be better for business to force other things on the crowd. Ratings: Down Buyrates: Down Attendance: Down Keep on forcing, Vince.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 That's because the WWE chose to cut him off when HHH got back. In December and January he was blowing out everyone including the returning HHH and Austin and Rock. If they took the build RVD had given them in terms of overness and ran with it it is quite possible that he could have attained that status. instead they buried him and decided it would be better for business to force other things on the crowd. Ratings: Down Buyrates: Down Attendance: Down Keep on forcing, Vince. I've got to agree with this. RVD got the crowd in the Rock/RVD match thus proved APO WRONG. RVD got the crowd in his matches with face Austin. What a maroon!
Guest razazteca Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 well Jericho had Stephanie the Sucabus RVD shall have Vince the genetic jackhammer or Nitro Eric. RVD will be sent on errand shopping spree for Viagra for a pole match. Or spill coffee on Vince only so he can say YOUR FIRED~
ChrisMWaters Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 Or spill coffee on Vince only so he can say YOUR FIRED~ Yeah, like the last time they used coffee to spark a major feud was that big a thing (Jericho/Kane)
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 Umm, I was talking about Austin and RVD at comparable points in their WWE careers. This is a *far* more rational thing to do than what you did. Austin was still a heel during that timeframe, so how can you compare him to RVD in 2001? RVD was a heel for all of maybe 2 weeks. RVD got the crowd in the Rock/RVD match thus proved APO WRONG. RVD got the crowd in his matches with face Austin. Both guys were seriously stale characters by then and hell, 2001-era weak face Jericho got the crowd behind him against Rock, so that's really not a strong argument at all.
Guest The Hamburglar Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 Face Jericho in Spring 2000 was popular at Rock/Austin levels, and much moreso than RVD is now. RVD was mega-over this time last year, but I honestly don't think his style or character can create a sustained period of mega-overness. Right now, I'd argue Brock is more over than RVD, possibly Angle too. Steiner is also, but he's just arrived so he doesn't count.
Guest the pinjockey Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 I don't think Steiner is anymore over than RVD. Is it just me or did his Raw pop seem surprisingly weak for just showing up?
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 Umm, I was talking about Austin and RVD at comparable points in their WWE careers. This is a *far* more rational thing to do than what you did. Austin was still a heel during that timeframe, so how can you compare him to RVD in 2001? RVD was a heel for all of maybe 2 weeks. RVD got the crowd in the Rock/RVD match thus proved APO WRONG. RVD got the crowd in his matches with face Austin. Both guys were seriously stale characters by then and hell, 2001-era weak face Jericho got the crowd behind him against Rock, so that's really not a strong argument at all. Well, the Rock was pretty much always booed in a Face/Face situation. As well as many matches against tweeners that's spotty heat. RVD's character is the same since 1998 so wouldn't he be stale too?
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 Umm, I was talking about Austin and RVD at comparable points in their WWE careers. This is a *far* more rational thing to do than what you did. Austin was still a heel during that timeframe, so how can you compare him to RVD in 2001? RVD was a heel for all of maybe 2 weeks. RVD got the crowd in the Rock/RVD match thus proved APO WRONG. RVD got the crowd in his matches with face Austin. Both guys were seriously stale characters by then and hell, 2001-era weak face Jericho got the crowd behind him against Rock, so that's really not a strong argument at all. Well, the Rock was pretty much always booed in a Face/Face situation. As well as many matches against tweeners that's spotty heat. RVD's character is the same since 1998 so wouldn't he be stale too? If he'd been in the WWF/E the whole, yes. 2001 was pretty RVD's introduction to your average wrestling fan who's probably never heard of him nor ECW til the "merger" and ECW's return on RAW.
Guest cabbageboy Posted November 25, 2002 Report Posted November 25, 2002 Well, RVD isn't going to clean dog shit and fetch lotion. I think he would quit before doing that stupid crap.
Guest Brian Posted November 26, 2002 Report Posted November 26, 2002 Jericho wasn't even close to being as over as Rock and/or Austin was. RVD isn't either, but he is the most over guy in the promotion at this point, even if I do hate him. Jerich out-popped the Rock throughout his tweener push and was doing just as well most of 2000.
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