Guest Julian Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 Look at it this way. In 1917, Russia was a backward state. By the 1950's, it was the second largest industrial power on earth.
Guest Banky Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 It was backward because of a dictatorship. And it bas been severely in debt from 1918 until present say because of communism. Moreover, Russia's downfall in 1917 wasn't because of the lack of Communist leadership, it was because of war-time economy. They were blockaded by the Central Powers throughout the war, thus enabling them from recieving necessary goods for survival. They were driven into the ground by another power hungry embicile (Rasputin) which had nothing to do with Capitalism. Don't try and play the history angle that Communism has EVER been a good thing. Even Hitler and Mussolini avoided that shit like it was the plague. It promotes laziness and fear within the ranks. Some people don't have to do shit, while others have to work extremely hard. People are put to work in factories for pennies - which was a common wage. Russia may have been a strong industrial state by the 50's, but it was terrible living conditions.
Guest big Dante Cruz Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 Okay, this is as much a troll as AngleOlympic Slam ever was if you remember him. You can't even put together the old phrase "the pot calling the kettle black" means either you're actually a sixth grader with a textbook or (and probably) just a gimmick poster starting a fight. Which leads me to wonder why on earth I'm feeding you like this...
Guest Slapnuts00 Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 Man, I feel like a shmoe, writing out a long response for the case against Communism, only to have it ignored and realize this is a joke thread about pringles carry on!
Guest DrTom Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 Julian, Junah: it's obvious you're making these posts to get a reaction, not because you believe in something. That's what we call trolling, and this is your one-time warning to cease and desist.
Guest Julian Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 DrTom, I ignore that warning as it is an attempt by the Bourgeois elite to silence the working class.
Guest Banky Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 You TOTALLY just started learning about this in school. How sad. Who refers to anyone as the bourgousie anymore? Lame *yawn* You'll be banned.
Guest spiny norman Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 Yeah, this is really pissing me off. You're like these people I know, who make jokes about their communist beliefs and how inferior it is to our current condition, blisfully unaware/ignorant that other people around them (eg. myself) actually have Left opinions and don't appreciate such jokes. What you are doing is not only infantile, inane and stupid, it is offensive. The fact you've been warned to stop and choose to ignore it show you are the stupidheads we believe you to be. So, in closing, get a life, loser.
Guest Kingpk Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 It just makes me laugh that people STILL think Communism works with limited resources after seeing the USSR tank itself and China faltering until they tried that "Capitalism thingamagig". Enjoy your tractors, boys.
Guest DrTom Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 DrTom, I ignore that warning as it is an attempt by the Bourgeois elite to silence the working class. Seems like it worked, too.
Guest Kotzenjunge Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 You're like these people I know, who make jokes about their communist beliefs and how inferior it is to our current condition, blisfully unaware/ignorant that other people around them (eg. myself) actually have Left opinions and don't appreciate such jokes. Exactly. I found all of this offensive, as I do when anyone makes fun of the left without foundation for it. I find some people who believe in it to be equally damaging. Kotzenjunge These Obstinate People Know Who They Are
Guest evenflowDDT Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 And China, lets say this. 20 years ago they implimented a rule saying families can only have one child. They'd be fined, or worse for doing differently. Tell me, would a deomocratic state allow this? Or would only a greedy power hungry dictator implement this? I'm not really defending this law, since it's led to many innocent baby girls being suffocated because having a son to carry on the family name is so important in Chinese society, but how else is China supposed to curb their massive overpopulation? I can imagine they'd be in the 2-3 billion mark were it not for this law.
Guest Kotzenjunge Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 The law is admirable and genius. The cultural appendicies make it unfortunate. Still, it had to be done, and might need to be done elsewhere soon. India is rapidly getting out of hand, as are other densely populated countries like Indonesia and Bangladesh. Kotzenjunge All About Population Control
Guest evenflowDDT Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 Still, it had to be done, and might need to be done elsewhere soon. India is rapidly getting out of hand, as are other densely populated countries like Indonesia and Bangladesh. This is true, but I don't really think the law would work if it weren't for a nation with as... "oppressive" a government as China. An idea I've actually had in the past to curb overpopulation is to go one step further and have a country put a "ten year moratorium" on reproduction, however again this wouldn't really work without any measures other than a draconian Fortress-like enforcement, plus there would be the desire for families to have as many children as possible, whether they were financially or emotionally mature enough, in the years beforehand so they don't "miss out" during the moratorium, which would negate the purpose of curbing overpopulation and responsibile reproduction.
Guest Kotzenjunge Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 You're very right. It's unfortunate that other countries lack the real federal structure to implement such a measure. As a result, democracies will be overrun with people in a matter of 100 years, while oppressed nations will have plenty of room and resources to stretch out and enjoy their weeky five minute freedom break. Kotzenjunge Democracy + Fucking = OVERPOPULATION!!
Guest hardyz1 Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 Help prevent overpopulation! Join the VHEMT!!
Guest Banky Posted November 29, 2002 Report Posted November 29, 2002 Yea, I guess millions upon millions of innocent babies deserve to die because of this. The law is a double edged sword, but I guess I am more of a *gasp* humanitarian than a realist.
Guest The Czech Republic Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 THE UNIVERSE IS WRITTEN IN GOD CODE
Guest TJH Posted December 2, 2002 Report Posted December 2, 2002 Those VHEMT people sound like the people in Tom Clancy's book Rainbow Six.
Guest EricMM Posted December 2, 2002 Report Posted December 2, 2002 they have a valid point about how every child born in america uses 60x the resources as one in india or china. I just wish this was useful information...
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted December 2, 2002 Report Posted December 2, 2002 We should just institute carpet-bombing style condom drops over southeast Asia and the subcontinent.
Guest EricMM Posted December 2, 2002 Report Posted December 2, 2002 We should just institute carpet-bombing style condom drops over southeast Asia and the subcontinent With this Republican Congress? It'll never pass...
Guest Vern Gagne Posted December 2, 2002 Report Posted December 2, 2002 Those people wouldn't use the condoms.
Guest HartFan86 Posted December 3, 2002 Report Posted December 3, 2002 What the hell. The guy never answered my question....does hHh job just as much as the rest of the WWE roster? Oh well.
Guest evenflowDDT Posted December 3, 2002 Report Posted December 3, 2002 We should just institute carpet-bombing style condom drops over southeast Asia and the subcontinent With this Republican Congress? It'll never pass... Seeing as how one of the first things Bush did when he got into office was cut funding to contraceptive/Planned Parenthood-ish groups (sorry I don't know the proper term) overseas, I'd have to agree.
Guest EricMM Posted December 3, 2002 Report Posted December 3, 2002 I don't make unfounded statements. Instead of dropped condoms, it'd probably be bush in an airplane with a megaphone "DON'T HAVE SEX!! IT'S WRONG!! ABSTAIN!!!!!"
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted December 3, 2002 Report Posted December 3, 2002 Or else Ashcroft will trace the sales of pregnanct tests to see where the next potential terrorists will be born.
Guest MD2020 Posted December 3, 2002 Report Posted December 3, 2002 Hey everybody: I think we have gotten off topic. We're now talking about Bush, Republican Congress, safe-sex/contraception, China's reproduction policy, threats of banning, etc. I think we have lost sight of the one important thing in this thread. When do we get the Pringles, and where will they arrive?
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted December 3, 2002 Report Posted December 3, 2002 What if I'd rather have Jalepeno Krunchers? Are we only allowed to eat state-distributed chips? If so, sucks to that.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted December 3, 2002 Report Posted December 3, 2002 I just wanted to mention that there's not one, not two, but three large gashes in the bottom of my foot. Ouch.
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