Guest BoboBrazil Report post Posted November 26, 2002 Raw finished last night with a 3.4 rating. Celebration period officially over. wrestlingobserver.com ha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FeArHaVoC Report post Posted November 26, 2002 Still better then the 3.1 they were doing before the PPV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BoboBrazil Report post Posted November 26, 2002 It will go back down again next week. Don't worry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zero_Cool Report post Posted November 26, 2002 Smarts: Damn that HHH! WWE Execs: Damn that Christian and Jericho!! I guess the fans just weren't digging the show last night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted November 26, 2002 anybody know which segment bombed? was it the one after Canadians running naked or HHH run in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted November 26, 2002 HHH: "Wait a minute-uhhh, they must have the numbers backwards-uhhh. Last week I was off and we did a 3.9. So this week-uhhh, for my predictable return-uhhh we must have done higher....-uhhh." The show was decient...save for the overly predictable finish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted November 26, 2002 well now RVD will go back to tag teaming with Jeff Hardy in the midcard jobbing to 3 minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Retro Rob Report post Posted November 26, 2002 3.4 isn't horrible. I would say that has been their average rating for a few months now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted November 26, 2002 HBK is not a draw, maybe its time to let Booker T be a transitional champ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Army Eye Report post Posted November 26, 2002 Couple things, guys.. 1) The 3.9 or whatever it was last week was clearly a post-PPV tune in. Especially one of the big 5, not to mention there were FIVE title changes so people were curious. 2) The high rating for last week's show supported HHH, if anything, because they were hyping that he was going to show up the whole time. But really, the fixation with HHH, or any one wrestler in regards to the ratings is nonsense. Any one wrestler doesn't affect things that much. The most recent Rock return was a one-week spike in the rating and then nothing. The problem is the product sucks. The writing sucks. The booking sucks. Another example: Austin-centric shows in 1998, with good writing: high ratings Austin-centric shows in 2001, with bad writing: steep decline in ratings HHH-centric shows in 2000, with great writing: super high ratings HHH-centric shows in 2002, with bad writing: low ratings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted November 26, 2002 The rating was down because Booker T was there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted November 26, 2002 3.4 isn't horrible. I would say that has been their average rating for a few months now. I can do math September 2, 2002 3.6 September 9, 2002 3.4 September 16, 2002 3.4 September 23, 2002 3.6 September 30, 2002 3.6 October 7, 2002 3.8 October 14, 2002 3.8 October 21, 2002 3.7 October 28, 2002 3.4 November 4, 2002 3.5 November 11, 2002 3.1 November 18, 2002 3.7 November 25, 2002 3.4 If you average it out the rating average for the past few months is 3.54 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted November 26, 2002 But you wouldn't have known that unless you tuned in last week, that Triple H might show up. Last week was coming off the Elimination Chamber, and looking for the changes after it, and this week was a reaction to the choices they made (none of the above). The post-PPV shows haven't put up huge increases like that lately so I attribute to people interested in how the match was and what it turned out, and maybe, just maybe, Steiner. Because, if people were sitting there waiting for Trips to show up (the heel, mind you) knowing he was legit injured, why wouldn't they show up in flocks this week. Especially on the back of Michaels' defense, the main feud on the show with HHH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Army Eye Report post Posted November 26, 2002 Yeah you have a point with the Elimination Chamber curiosity, and the Steiner curiosity. Meltzer did say on Sunday's show that the quarter hour ratings trailed off immediately after the Steiner segment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted November 26, 2002 I think we aren't gunna really be able to tell if HHH's return affected the ratings. Just wait for next week when he cuts a promo and try to find out the ratings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Super Pissed Smark Report post Posted November 26, 2002 Lessee, you add up the four ratings for Nov. divide it and you get 3.425. That must be the worst sweeps performance for RAW in five years. TNN must be really thrilled. Congratulations Vince. Smell the ad revenue. Anyone want to go over/under for February? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted November 26, 2002 HHH's run-in was a "suprise" that occured seconds before the show went off the air. Even if everyone flipped to something else at his appearance except for Billy Bob in Alabama, it wouldn't have meant shit. The whole week was hyped with RVD vs HBK. Someone's in-ring pop is not getting equally large ratings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted November 26, 2002 But you wouldn't have known that unless you tuned in last week, that Triple H might show up. Last week was coming off the Elimination Chamber, and looking for the changes after it, and this week was a reaction to the choices they made (none of the above). The post-PPV shows haven't put up huge increases like that lately so I attribute to people interested in how the match was and what it turned out, and maybe, just maybe, Steiner. Because, if people were sitting there waiting for Trips to show up (the heel, mind you) knowing he was legit injured, why wouldn't they show up in flocks this week. Especially on the back of Michaels' defense, the main feud on the show with HHH. Well, atleast we know Triple-Juice is a heel. That way when he feuds with Steiner, they don't have to turn Steiner because I'd much rather see Steiner a face than Triple-Juice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banky Report post Posted November 26, 2002 People are changing the channel because they are having 2 guys running around naked looking for their clothes. Nobody gives a flying fuck about that kinda stuff. Its not a knock on Jericho and Christian either, its the writers. There is no need to do that stuff unless they are trying to amuse themselves, which is most likely the case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted November 26, 2002 I'm not going to disagree about the RVD thing because at this point it's probably true, but if someone wants to give HHH credit for rating following the pay per view people would have been more likely to tune in this week to see if HH would show up. 3.2 next week. When people see the same old shit, they'll start to tun out again slowly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Electrifyer Report post Posted November 26, 2002 "People are changing the channel because they are having 2 guys running around naked looking for their clothes. Nobody gives a flying fuck about that kinda stuff. Its not a knock on Jericho and Christian either, its the writers. There is no need to do that stuff unless they are trying to amuse themselves, which is most likely the case." I thought the Jericho/Christian skits were pretty funny. It wasn't the best bunch of skits ever, but they made me laugh and it was probably the only part of Raw last night that didn't make me fall asleep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BobBacklundRules Report post Posted November 26, 2002 WWE was promoting a HBK comeback dream match against RVD for the main event on free television and still got the 3.4 rating. Everyone knew that there wasn't enough time left on RAW for a great match that RVD needed to win the belt. It was obvious that HHH would run in that everyone stopped watching as soon as it was 9:45 and there still was one more match to go before the main event. The best main event match (on paper) with a one week build up and WWE still can't pull it out of the gutter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted November 26, 2002 HHH's run-in was a "suprise" that occured seconds before the show went off the air. Even if everyone flipped to something else at his appearance except for Billy Bob in Alabama, it wouldn't have meant shit. The whole week was hyped with RVD vs HBK. Someone's in-ring pop is not getting equally large ratings. Bullshit. The show featured naked men, ear fetishists, horrible wrestling, Maven getting knocked out with a book, and the only watchable segment is RVD/HBK, and you blame RVD? (Not the champion, HBK mind you) When quarter-hours come up you'll see a sharp decrease after the various Jericho/Dudleys segments What a fucking idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted November 26, 2002 And Smackdown remains steady. Why can't WWE figure this out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted November 26, 2002 And Smackdown remains steady. Why can't WWE figure this out? I think they should end the roster split, cut half the combined roster, or send them to OVW till the contracts run out, take OVW's upper card and bring them in, cancel Velocity, and start over with your established uppercard, and a whole new bulk of talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted November 26, 2002 It isn't the talent. It's the writing that is the problem. You end the split, then both shows will sink. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted November 26, 2002 It isn't the talent. It's the writing that is the problem. You end the split, then both shows will sink. The writing is part of the problem. The other part is that the midcard is in shambles and no one wants to fix it. If there was only one set of storylines running across multiple shows, writing will improve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted November 27, 2002 If there was only one set of storylines running across multiple shows, writing will improve. So you want to reward bad writers, with even more of my time to waste? They are only writing one set of storylines as it is. Just the RAW writers are horrible. Brock/Show is a great storyline that happens to have bad matches because they chose the wrong person to challenge Brock. Just because you give Gerwitz more time to write, doesn't mean he is going to come back with Hamlet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted November 27, 2002 If there was only one set of storylines running across multiple shows, writing will improve. So you want to reward bad writers, with even more of my time to waste? They are only writing one set of storylines as it is. Just the RAW writers are horrible. Brock/Show is a great storyline that happens to have bad matches because they chose the wrong person to challenge Brock. Just because you give Gerwitz more time to write, doesn't mean he is going to come back with Hamlet. No, I mean if there were one set of storylines. ONE ROSTER. If there was no split it would be eaiser to concentrate on the storylines at hand. How is this rewarding the writers? Oh and if they went with one roster on two shows like in the old days, Gerwitz would only be part of the team again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted November 27, 2002 If there was no split it would be eaiser to concentrate on the storylines at hand. How? Two rosters, two sets of writers. Same ratio as one roster and one set of writers. Oh and if they went with one roster on two shows like in the old days, Gerwitz would only be part of the team again. Do you even remember what it was like before the split? It was worse than it is now. Besides, we would now have HHH on both shows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
