Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted November 26, 2002 Thanks for voting. For something different the winner of group A will face Group D winner. B will face C. Group A Robert Altman vs Barry Levinson Steven Sodeberg vs Francis Ford Coppola David Lean vs Orson Wells Frank Capra vs Woody Allen Group B John Ford vs Joel Coen Steven Spielberg vs Vincente Minnelli Quentin Tarentino vs Howard Hawks William Wyler vs Spike Lee Group C Martin Scorsce vs PT Anderson Stanly Kubrick vs Akira Kurosawa Mike Nichols vs David Croneberg John Huston vs Fritz Lang Group D Oliver Stone vs George Cukor Wolfgang Petersen vs Alfred Hitchcock Sam Raimi vs Billy Wilder Luis Bunuel vs Elia Kazan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted November 26, 2002 Group A Robert Altman vs Barry Levinson Steven Sodeberg vs Francis Ford Coppola David Lean vs Orson Wells (I love Lean, but Welles should probably win this tournament) Frank Capra vs Woody Allen Group B John Ford vs Joel Coen Steven Spielberg vs Vincente Minnelli Quentin Tarentino vs Howard Hawks William Wyler vs Spike Lee Group C Martin Scorsce vs PT Anderson Stanly Kubrick vs Akira Kurosawa (Tough one) Mike Nichols vs David Croneberg John Huston vs Fritz Lang Group D Oliver Stone vs George Cukor Wolfgang Petersen vs Alfred Hitchcock Sam Raimi vs Billy Wilder Luis Bunuel vs Elia Kazan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooseCannon Report post Posted November 26, 2002 All the French guys lost? Some of these will be controversial. Group A Robert Altman vs Barry Levinson Steven Sodeberg vs Francis Ford Coppola David Lean vs Orson Wells Frank Capra vs Woody Allen Group B John Ford vs Joel Coen Steven Spielberg vs Vincente Minnelli --not voting Quentin Tarentino vs Howard Hawks William Wyler vs Spike Lee Group C Martin Scorsce vs PT Anderson Stanly Kubrick vs Akira Kurosawa Mike Nichols vs David Croneberg John Huston vs Fritz Lang Group D Oliver Stone vs George Cukor Wolfgang Petersen vs Alfred Hitchcock Sam Raimi vs Billy Wilder Luis Bunuel vs Elia Kazan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted November 27, 2002 Group A Barry Levinson Francis Ford Coppola Orson Welles Frank Capra Group B Joel Coen Steven Spielberg vs Vincente Minnelli: NO VOTE don't know enough of Minnelli's movies Howard Hawks Spike Lee Group C Martin Scorsce Stanley Kubrick vs Akira Kurosawa: This contest shouldn't be so early. Argh this was a tough pick but i had to go with Kubrick. Mike Nichols John Huston Group D Oliver Stone Alfred Hitchcock Billy Wilder Luis Bunuel vs Elia Kazan: NO VOTE havn't seen Bunuel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WrestlingDeacon Report post Posted November 27, 2002 Group A Robert Altman vs Barry Levinson Steven Soderbergh vs Francis Ford Coppola David Lean vs Orson Wells Frank Capra vs Woody Allen Group B John Ford vs Joel Coen Steven Spielberg vs Vincente Minnelli Quentin Tarentino vs Howard Hawks William Wyler vs Spike Lee Group C Martin Scorsce vs PT Anderson Stanly Kubrick vs Akira Kurosawa Mike Nichols vs David Croneberg John Huston vs Fritz Lang Group D Oliver Stone vs George Cukor Wolfgang Petersen vs Alfred Hitchcock Sam Raimi vs Billy Wilder Luis Bunuel vs Elia Kazan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Madmartigan21 Report post Posted November 27, 2002 Group A Robert Altman vs Barry Levinson Steven Sodeberg vs Francis Ford Coppola David Lean vs Orson Wells Frank Capra vs Woody Allen Group B John Ford vs Joel Coen Steven Spielberg vs Vincente Minnelli Quentin Tarentino vs Howard Hawks William Wyler vs Spike Lee Group C Martin Scorsce vs PT Anderson Stanly Kubrick vs Akira Kurosawa Mike Nichols vs David Croneberg John Huston vs Fritz Lang Group D Oliver Stone vs George Cukor Wolfgang Petersen vs Alfred Hitchcock Sam Raimi vs Billy Wilder Luis Bunuel vs Elia Kazan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ArkhamGlobe Report post Posted November 27, 2002 Group A Robert Altman vs Barry Levinson Steven Sodeberg vs Francis Ford Coppola David Lean vs Orson Wells Frank Capra vs Woody Allen Group B John Ford vs Joel Coen Steven Spielberg vs Vincente Minnelli (no vote, haven't seen any of Minnelli's work) Quentin Tarentino vs Howard Hawks William Wyler vs Spike Lee (no vote, haven't seen any Wyler) Group C Martin Scorsce vs PT Anderson Stanly Kubrick vs Akira Kurosawa (tough one) Mike Nichols vs David Croneberg John Huston vs Fritz Lang Group D Oliver Stone vs George Cukor (no vote, haven't seen any Cukor) Wolfgang Petersen vs Alfred Hitchcock Sam Raimi vs Billy Wilder Luis Bunuel vs Elia Kazan (no vote, haven't seen any Bunuel) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Gamengiri2002 Report post Posted November 27, 2002 ok Robert Altman vs. Barry Levinson This isn't even funny GROUP A Steven Soderbergh vs. Francis Ford Coppola Lumet WOULD have won, should he have made it David Lean vs. Orson Welles When it comes down to it, Lean is too long winded Frank Capra vs. Woody Allen If anything simply for "Mr. Smith goes to Washington" GROUP B John Ford vs. Joel Coen Not enough of a western fan to advance Ford again Steven Speilberg vs. Vincente Minnelli This is fucked up but I've not seen enough Minnelli to go the other way. Quentin Tarantino vs. Howard Hawks I love Tarantino, but he would not be working today if not for Hawks William Wyler vs. Spike Lee Lee by default. GROUP C Martin Scorsese vs. Paul Thomas Anderson As great as Anderson may become, Scorsese will forever be one of the greatest directors of all time. Stanley Kubrick vs. Akira Kurosawa Kubrick, as great as he is, really didn't stand a chance Mike Nichols vs. David Cronenberg Nichols really shouldn't advance but I'm up against a wall here. John Huston vs. Fritz Lang Huston is brilliant. He's just not Fritz Lang GROUP D Oliver Stone vs. George Cuckor I don't want to advance Stone either but at least he made "Platoon" and "JFK" while Cuckor's films always seemed too harmless to be great. Wolfgang Petersen vs. Alfred Hitchcock I don't see why Verne didn't just declare this one in the initial post Sam Raimi vs. Billy Wilder Being a Deadite I I hate to do this. But Sam Raimi never made "Sunset Boulevard" Luis Bunuel vs. Elia Kazan At least one director needs to be representing the art film genre. Bunuel is as good as any. That's it. Stone, Nichols, Lee, and Speilberg really need to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 5_moves_of_doom Report post Posted November 27, 2002 Group A Robert Altman vs Barry Levinson Steven Sodeberg vs Francis Ford Coppola David Lean vs Orson Wells Frank Capra vs Woody Allen Group B John Ford vs Joel Coen Steven Spielberg vs Vincente Minnelli Quentin Tarentino vs Howard Hawks William Wyler vs Spike Lee Group C Martin Scorsce vs PT Anderson Stanly Kubrick vs Akira Kurosawa Mike Nichols vs David Croneberg John Huston vs Fritz Lang Group D Oliver Stone vs George Cukor Wolfgang Petersen vs Alfred Hitchcock[/b[ Sam Raimi vs Billy Wilder Luis Bunuel vs Elia Kazan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ravenbomb Report post Posted November 27, 2002 neither bold = no opinion Group A Robert Altman vs Barry Levinson Steven Sodeberg vs Francis Ford Coppola David Lean vs Orson Wells Frank Capra vs Woody Allen Group B John Ford vs Joel Coen Steven Spielberg vs Vincente Minnelli Quentin Tarentino vs Howard Hawks William Wyler vs Spike Lee Group C Martin Scorsce vs PT Anderson Stanly Kubrick vs Akira Kurosawa OH YOU BASTARDS! Who decided to put THESE two against each other? Mike Nichols vs David Croneberg John Huston vs Fritz Lang Group D Oliver Stone vs George Cukor Wolfgang Petersen vs Alfred Hitchcock Sam Raimi vs Billy Wilder Luis Bunuel vs Elia Kazan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted November 27, 2002 Group A Robert Altman vs Barry Levinson i think altman's really overrated outside of 'nashville' and i'm very pissed about truffaut losing, but levinson's still a hack. Steven Soderberg vs Francis Ford Coppola so sue me. David Lean vs Orson Welles greatest director ever. Frank Capra vs Woody Allen capra rules, woody does not. Group B John Ford vs Joel Coen oh fuck, that one's tough. Steven Spielberg vs Vincente Minnelli can't vote. Quentin Tarentino vs Howard Hawks muahahaha William Wyler vs Spike Lee can't vote. Group C Martin Scorsese vs PT Anderson i don't like knocking out anderson so early, but scorsese still wins easily. Stanley Kubrick vs Akira Kurosawa AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Mike Nichols vs David Croneberg just for 'the graduate'. John Huston vs Fritz Lang can't vote, mang. Group D Oliver Stone vs George Cukor Wolfgang Petersen vs Alfred Hitchcock come on, it's alfred fucking hitchcock. Sam Raimi vs Billy Wilder i have a feeling that raimi will win this one, even though raimi himself would admit that he's outclassed. Luis Bunuel vs Elia Kazan tough call. they both made great movies, but bunuel was an original. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted November 27, 2002 Group A Robert Altman vs Barry Levinson - Eeeh. Can I just vote for D.W. Griffith here instead? Don't like anything Altman has done. Like 3 things Levinson did. 3 out of 21 is better than 0. Steven Sodeberg vs Francis Ford Coppola - Can't believe Soderbergh actually got out of the first round. No real contest here. The recent years haven't been kind to Coppola but the 70's era is still better than most. David Lean vs Orson Welles - If Lean ever made a movie less than 5 hours long I'd watch it. I truly hope I don't have to explain why I voted for Welles. Frank Capra vs Woody Allen - Because his name is Woody and because he didn't direct It's a Wonderful Life. Group B John Ford vs Joel Coen - I will always vote against the Coens no matter who it's against. Steven Spielberg vs Vincente Minnelli - I finally figured out who Minnelli was this round. haha. That made it difficult once I found out he made Cabin in the Sky and I Dood It. But oh well, he's no Spielberg. Quentin Tarentino vs Howard Hawks - Tarantino up against one of his two favorite directors. Gotta go Hawks because he hasn't made me wait so friggin long to finally get another movie. Granted he can't, because he's dead, but still. William Wyler vs Spike Lee - Just to be PC. Group C Martin Scorsce vs PT Anderson - As much as I loved Boogie Nights I gotta go with Scorsese because Anderson has kinda went off the deep end ever since that one good movie and gotten really arty. Stanly Kubrick vs Akira Kurosawa - I respect Akira and all but once again, his movies just aren't enjoyable to watch. Technically good, worth seeing once, but not multiple times like Clockwork Orange or Full Metal Jacket or The Killing. Mike Nichols vs David Croneberg - I have absolutely not idea why Nichols made the list much less the second round. John Huston vs Fritz Lang - I have to vote for Fritz because I'm not allowed to vote for F.W. Murnau. Group D Oliver Stone vs George Cukor - Can't understand Cukor making the cut either. Wolfgang Petersen vs Alfred Hitchcock - Can't we just give Hitchcock a buy until the finals? Sam Raimi vs Billy Wilder - One of the most inovative directors around versus the queerest. Well, now actually that I said that I'm not sure which one I was for to begin with. I think I'll vote for Sam. Luis Bunuel vs Elia Kazan - Cause he's actually made something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted November 27, 2002 What did I tell you about bashing Billy Wilder? It isn't allowed in this thread. If you wanna explain why don't like him than go right ahead but personal name calling won't be tolerated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted November 27, 2002 What did I tell you about bashing Billy Wilder? It isn't allowed in this thread. If you wanna explain why don't like him than go right ahead but personal name calling won't be tolerated. Well let me see, why would I not like a director? I guess because I DON'T LIKE HIS MOVIES. That's novel, eh? Double Indemnity, Sunset Blvd and Stalag 17 were great but I thought the rest were crap. I hate Some Like It Hot so much that it almost ruins the three movies of his I do like. I guess since we're not allowed to not like Billy Wilder we shouldn't bother to vote? Why not just go ahead and give it to him then? Man, you guys need to lighten up. Personal name calling, hahaha. So Billy Wilder is reading this from beyond the grave? Oh, and since I remembered Truffaut did Bride Wore Black can I go back and change my vote? haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MDH257 Report post Posted November 27, 2002 Group A Robert Altman Steven Soderberg Orson Welles Frank Capra Group B Joel Coen Steven Spielberg Quintin Tarentino Spike Lee Group C Martin Scoresese Akira Kurosawa David Croneberg Fritz Lang Group D Oliver Stone Alfred Hitchcock Billy Wilder Elia Kazan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest endgame722 Report post Posted November 27, 2002 Group A Robert Altman vs Barry Levinson Steven Sodeberg vs Francis Ford Coppola David Lean vs Orson Wells Frank Capra vs Woody Allen Group B John Ford vs Joel Coen Steven Spielberg vs Vincente Minnelli Quentin Tarentino vs Howard Hawks William Wyler vs Spike Lee Group C Martin Scorsce vs PT Anderson Stanly Kubrick vs Akira Kurosawa Mike Nichols vs David Croneberg John Huston vs Fritz Lang Group D Oliver Stone vs George Cukor - gonna have to pass on this one Wolfgang Petersen vs Alfred Hitchcock Sam Raimi vs Billy Wilder - passing on this too Luis Bunuel vs Elia Kazan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted November 27, 2002 Group A Robert Altman vs Barry Levinson Steven Sodeberg vs Francis Ford Coppola David Lean vs Orson Wells Frank Capra vs Woody Allen Group B John Ford vs Joel Coen Steven Spielberg vs Vincente Minnelli Quentin Tarentino vs Howard Hawks William Wyler vs Spike Lee Group C Martin Scorsece vs PT Anderson Stanly Kubrick vs Akira Kurosawa Mike Nichols vs David Croneberg John Huston vs Fritz Lang Group D Oliver Stone vs George Cukor Wolfgang Petersen vs Alfred Hitchcock Sam Raimi vs Billy Wilder Luis Bunuel vs Elia Kazan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted November 27, 2002 What did I tell you about bashing Billy Wilder? It isn't allowed in this thread. If you wanna explain why don't like him than go right ahead but personal name calling won't be tolerated. Well let me see, why would I not like a director? I guess because I DON'T LIKE HIS MOVIES. That's novel, eh? Double Indemnity, Sunset Blvd and Stalag 17 were great but I thought the rest were crap. I hate Some Like It Hot so much that it almost ruins the three movies of his I do like. I guess since we're not allowed to not like Billy Wilder we shouldn't bother to vote? Why not just go ahead and give it to him then? Man, you guys need to lighten up. Personal name calling, hahaha. So Billy Wilder is reading this from beyond the grave? Oh, and since I remembered Truffaut did Bride Wore Black can I go back and change my vote? haha I'm not giving Wilder anything. Heck he's my favorite director but all things considered my vote might go to Hitchcock if they meet, because he's made more good movies. I was overboard on the no wilder criticism rule, but all I was curious about was what is it you don't like about him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted November 27, 2002 I don't get all the George Cukor hate. Do Gone With the Wind, The Women, Holiday, The Philadelphia Story, Gaslight, Adam's Rib, Born Yesterday, A Star is Born, and My Fair Lady mean nothing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WrestlingDeacon Report post Posted November 27, 2002 Thought you might like to see the bit of trivia below Jingus. Cukor was not the only or primary director on Gone with the Wind as he quit, I believe in disputes with the director David Selznick. Victor Fleming is credited with the film. You get nothing but Cukor love from me. Hell, I even took a film class on the guy. I'd have to say Adam's Rib is my favorite film of his, but Heller in Pink Tights is one of the worst westerns I've ever seen. "This film had three directors, George Cukor being the first. Victor Fleming, (who had just finished Wizard of Oz, The (1939)) was brought in, and he was replaced by interim director Sam Wood for a few weeks while recovering from exhaustion. Cukor filmed about 33 minutes of footage, 17 of which appear in the first half of the film, they are: Ellen O'Hara returns home (except for Victor Jory and closeup of Thomas Mitchell); evening prayer services at Tara; Mammy and Scarlett prepare for the Twelve Oaks barbecue; the widow Hamilton tries on a bonnet in her bedroom (single shot); various non-dialogue shots at the Atlanta Bazaar, including far shots of Scarlett and Rhett waltzing; Scarlett gives Ashley a sash and begs his love; all scenes in and around Aunt Pittypat's house on the day of evacuation (except for Scarlett stops a dispatch rider); the burning of the Atlanta Depot (except for actors' close-ups)." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted November 27, 2002 What suprises me is how big a lead Oliver Stone has over George Cuckor. One reason might be alot of people don't know who Cuckor is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted November 27, 2002 ::sends hitmen out to murder Stone's entire family:: And yeah, I know he only co-directed GWTW, but even a small part of that movie is more than most directors can say they've done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted November 27, 2002 ::sends hitmen out to murder Stone's entire family:: And yeah, I know he only co-directed GWTW, but even a small part of that movie is more than most directors can say they've done. Probably it's because the majority of people voting here are guys. If this was a girl's poll anybody that had a hand in Gone with the Wind would win. It's just the 30's version of a chick flick. If it was made today it'd have Meg Ryan in it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Gamengiri2002 Report post Posted November 28, 2002 I would just like to say that I am not bringing the George Cuckor "hate" simply the George Cuckor "not love". Sure Cuckor has been assigned some good movies (My Fair Lady is the only musical I like- however, Rex Harrison takes full responsibility for that) but I for one don't think Cuckor puts his stamp on films in the manner that Stone does. Which makes Stone's successes (Platoon, JFK) stronger in his favor than Cuckor's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted November 29, 2002 But if one believes (like I do) that Stone's "stamp" means turning any potentially good movie into complete and utter shit... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted November 29, 2002 Group A Robert Altman vs Barry Levinson Steven Sodeberg vs Francis Ford Coppola David Lean vs Orson Wells Frank Capra vs Woody Allen Group B John Ford vs Joel Coen Steven Spielberg vs Vincente Minnelli Quentin Tarentino vs Howard Hawks William Wyler vs Spike Lee Group C Martin Scorsce vs PT Anderson Stanly Kubrick vs Akira Kurosawa Mike Nichols vs David Croneberg John Huston vs Fritz Lang Group D Oliver Stone vs George Cukor Wolfgang Petersen vs Alfred Hitchcock Sam Raimi vs Billy Wilder Luis Bunuel vs Elia Kazan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Gamengiri2002 Report post Posted November 29, 2002 But if one believes (like I do) that Stone's "stamp" means turning any potentially good movie into complete and utter shit... then yeah, I would probably vote Cuckor. As I said, I really don't want Stone to advance because I'm really just not a big fan of his but based on the pairings alone, I could watch a good Stone movie over any Cuckor flick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted November 30, 2002 Youth N Asia who is your pick between Bunuel and Kazan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
