Batista...

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

What's up with the Rico shit here? The guy is directionless without a gimmick change right now.

 

At least get rid of the goofy ass sideburns.

[Guest El Satanico]

They are just saying that Rico has at least been able to get an reaction from the crowd in the past. No one is saying that he's doing anything now.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

My problem is Batista is the same problem I have with all the other new guys they've brought in recently (Orton, Cena, and Lesnar until he showed how awesome he is) - they're all being bred from nothing to the WWF, and thrown on TV.

 

I mean, Orton had NEVER TRAINED TO BE A WRESTLER until he showed up at the WWF offices one day, and said "Yeah, my dad is Bob Orton." Then they trained him, put him in OVW for a while, then fired him on TV.

 

At least now they're finally gimmicking them - before they were all generically named nobodys (DAVE?) who were just kinda there. But WHY would you do that when the guys are the indy scene can do such amazing stuff? You want impressive wrestlers? Hit the indy scenes, and stop creting wrestler to fill specific holes, especially when ALL those holes seem to be "Power wrestler" ones.

 

I find it quite comical that all new talent in the WWF is fairly generic power wrestlers, while the indy scene is almost NOTHING but cruisers. Somewhere along the line, that ain't gonna mesh to well.

 

Bottom line, these guys have no more reason to be on TV then any other well-built individual. So why are they?

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Bautista is just as expresionless, robotic, and banal as most WWE workers, he's just more inclined to be sloppy and has almost no knowledge of how to work a match, even by the usual "WWE Style" standards. He doesn't connect with the crowd, he just does the usual "hoss" spots and yells a lot. That's not expresion, it's futile attempts to make something out of nothing.

[Guest AndrewTS]

My problem is Batista is the same problem I have with all the other new guys they've brought in recently (Orton, Cena, and Lesnar until he showed how awesome he is) - they're all being bred from nothing to the WWF, and thrown on TV.

 

I mean, Orton had NEVER TRAINED TO BE A WRESTLER until he showed up at the WWF offices one day, and said "Yeah, my dad is Bob Orton." Then they trained him, put him in OVW for a while, then fired him on TV.

 

At least now they're finally gimmicking them - before they were all generically named nobodys (DAVE?) who were just kinda there. But WHY would you do that when the guys are the indy scene can do such amazing stuff? You want impressive wrestlers? Hit the indy scenes, and stop creting wrestler to fill specific holes, especially when ALL those holes seem to be "Power wrestler" ones.

 

I find it quite comical that all new talent in the WWF is fairly generic power wrestlers, while the indy scene is almost NOTHING but cruisers. Somewhere along the line, that ain't gonna mesh to well.

 

Bottom line, these guys have no more reason to be on TV then any other well-built individual. So why are they?

The reason that Vince is doing this, aside from wanting to make WWE-only creations he can take full credit for, is so he doesn't have to pay high prices for any big stars ever again. A fairly prominent indy star, while he may not ask too much, would likely be costlier than Vince's cheap n' green well of "talent" OVW churns out.

 

Vince killed regional promotions, now he wants to kill independent promotioins so that the only ones left will be his precious farm league to provide him with new talent.

 

If that "talent" starts to get big heads, fire 'em since there are a dozen more to take over.

 

Screw the cruisers, Vince loves his lumbering WWE-style power wrestlers. And he'll be glad to try to destroy any other styles to accomplish it.

[Guest netslob]

Why do people give Batisita a hard time? because his name isn't BENOIT. Know what i mean?

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Yes, that is EXACTLY it.

 

Way to no-sell everyone's legit points.

[Guest Celtic Jobber]

Weren't people bragging about how great Leviathon (Batista's name in OVW) was before he came to WWE? Same thing with Prototype (John Cena). I'm thinking WWE turns OVW talent into shitty, boring wrestlers.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Yeah I love it when they have these slow big guys on TV and you have JR shilling at the booth "He's an agile big man! Look at him leave his feet!"

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Yes Netslob. Because his name isn't Benoit. That's why we hate that Guerrerro and Angle guy to. Because they aren't named Benoit. Oh and that Booker T. guy....yep he sucks.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

My main problem with the handling of the OVW crew is how they drop their gimmick "Prototype, Leviathon" and just debut as vanilla nothings...

 

and then get pushed anyway.

 

When I see John Cena for the first time I think...jobber...not "guy who can take Kurt Angle to the limit his first time out".

 

Why bother letting them get into their OVW gimmicks if you're just going to make them start all over with nothing?

 

Of them all (Brock, Batista, Rico, Cena, Orton) The only one that I see with any potential is Brock...and they pushed him to the moon before he showed any of it.

 

At least Rico draws heat...but the man is old.

[Guest MrRant]

Yes Netslob. Because his name isn't Benoit. That's why we hate that Guerrerro and Angle guy to. Because they aren't named Benoit. Oh and that Booker T. guy....yep he sucks.

I thought we hated Booker T because he was black.

[Guest netslob]

heh heh heh...i knew i'd strike a nerve.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Oh yeah. In addition to being bloodsucking baby killers who are always disgruntled Smarks are horribley racist!

[Guest MrRant]

Oh yeah. In addition to being bloodsucking baby killers who are always disgruntled Smarks are horribley racist!

I knew there was a reason I didn't like Yokozuna.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

"heh heh heh...i knew i'd strike a nerve."

 

Oh yeah your so funny. Bring something to the table rather than pulling cheap flame bait.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

The thing, everyone who gets selected from these farm leagues is only getting chosen due to their physique and ability to toss people around. Even under the horribly bland "WWE style" standards, guys like Benoit, Rey, and Eddy have been able to stand out by drawing in fans to matches (despite their contrived formula) and being different from the pack.

 

Bautista is another Albert, another Test, another Adam Bomb. In short, he's just another embodiment of why the WWE is in trouble.

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

woah woah woah! Adam BOMB??

 

Maybe if they made Batista radioactive.....which means maybe he could throw footballs into the crowd or some stupid shit like that...

 

now THAT would get him over...

[Guest Mole]

"heh heh heh...i knew i'd strike a nerve."

 

Oh yeah your so funny. Bring something to the table rather than pulling cheap flame bait.

Damn, Mighty, you got some anger. But I see your point.

 

Anyway, Vince changes the names, their gimmicks, their whole character of the people he brings up from OVW because he is a wrestling genius and knows what he is doing.

[Guest Heel In Peril]

How about that? Lesnar and Batista are perceived as Goldberg clones. Batista is relatively new and IMO understandibly green, especially in front of these considerably larger audiences. I am furthermore impressed (God damn it) that he has caused as much thunder in the ring with the few assets he does in fact posess. I pray he does adapt and grow in the ring, possibly comparing and contrasting in a tag team with Chris Nowinski, bouncing off one another's pros and cons. However, "Dave" aside, there is a huge difference between the treatment Lesnar got and Goldberg got. And that is, Goldberg didn't deserve half of it! The man is responsible for more injuries than anyone I've ever heard of, and from what I've heard, he really never cared one way or another, not really. The man, for God's sake, gave Bret Hart, one of the most influential greatest wrestlers of all time, three concusions in the Hitman's last match. He was a stiff punk with a hot head. Should I have respect for his wrestling talent? The man never had any respect for wrestling. Never had any love or even desire to be a wrestler. The man wanted fame, money, pride; but most importantly, he never even thought about giving to the business. The only times he actually let another man go over him was when politics just couldn't go his way... of course, in the faces of Hogan, Nash, and Russo. Lesnar deserves plenty of credit. But even if you don't want to give it to him, the least you could do is to never compare him to Goldberg again. Goldberg couldn't measure up to half the athlete he is, nor the wrestling heart. If only Brock could've been in Bill's place on that fateful day and not only might Bret still be putting our fat nosey asses in seats today... but maybe it would've evolved into a wrestling classic between technical braun and the excellence of execution, God forbid providing a timeless and entertaining wrestling match. Fuck Goldberg!

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Batista is relatively new and IMO understandibly green, especially in front of these considerably larger audiences.

 

What isn't understandible is why they'd push someone so green when he's obviously unprepared to handle it.

 

I am furthermore impressed (God damn it) that he has caused as much thunder in the ring with the few assets he does in fact posess.

 

Last I checked, fans couldn't be bothered to even stir when faced with his constant yelling.

 

I pray he does adapt and grow in the ring, possibly comparing and contrasting in a tag team with Chris Nowinski, bouncing off one another's pros and cons.

 

I can't imagine either of those two having enough combined pros to cancel out their cons. Both have made a habbit of exposing the business of late, which isn't really something you want to look for in tag team combo's.

 

The man, for God's sake, gave Bret Hart, one of the most influential greatest wrestlers of all time, three concusions in the Hitman's last match.

 

Bret himself said that he didn't blame Goldberg for the injury as much as he blamed WCW for pushing him too early. Should Brock ever hurt anyone, I would guess that the same excuse could be made for him.

 

He was a stiff punk with a hot head.

 

Agreed.

 

The only times he actually let another man go over him was when politics just couldn't go his way...

 

How so? Goldberg was selected for the big push because of a look, not because he knew how to sway the writers in his favor. When the big job did come, he lost due to politics, but it's not like he was against losing altogether. The way he worked with Booker and Steiner in later years proved this.

 

Goldberg couldn't measure up to half the athlete he is, nor the wrestling heart.

 

Erm...how so? Goldy was hardly a wrestler, but Lesnar isn't exactly a God of work either, and both are athletically gifted in their own right. As for Lesnar's "heart", he appears to be more dedicated, but then, until Lesnar has been around long enough to show his dedication, you never can tell.

 

If only Brock could've been in Bill's place on that fateful day and not only might Bret still be putting our fat nosey asses in seats today... but maybe it would've evolved into a wrestling classic between technical braun and the excellence of execution, God forbid providing a timeless and entertaining wrestling match.

 

I'm not pimping the Goldy/Hart matches by any means, but what makes you think Lesnar/Hart would be any better? From where I see it, Hart would have just as much trouble working with Lesnar as he did working with Goldberg, so "timeless" isn't something I would associate with that match that will never happen.

[Guest Heel In Peril]

RickyChosyu:

 

Batista has potential. How does a green Batista get better? Expand his potential? Give him some TV time. And last I checked, Kane wasn't wasted on him as much as on the Katie Vphik angle. Batista + Flair can't be bad. And given it's short life so far, shouldn't be so coldly decided. The man is diesel, energetic, and capable. It's unfair to say he doesn't deserve a push when he's been given so little so far.

 

Crowds don't always determine the heat of an up and comer, especially in a new angle. They are definitely NOT silent. And given the type of audience there is nowadays and the product that is dished on average, I don't think that's too bad for a guy with 4 minute matches.

 

Chris and Batista expose the business??? You expose the business. They are doing their jobs. My point was that their pros could compliment each other's cons, not that they have enough of anything. They're new and trying. The fans react to Nowinski whether you like it or not and with a powerhouse of great diversity like Batista by him, who's to say that they can't be good together?

 

Bret did blame WCW. But he DID blame Goldberg as well. Concussions happen, but not 3 in one match. And like I said, and that punk Goldberg knows in his black heart he doesn't care enough about the business to be careful. Basically, he sucks, and it cost one good man his career.

 

Bill Goldberg never wanted anything to do with losing once the ball started rolling. The more stroke he got, the more squashes came his way, the more good workers couldn't work their own, like DDP, Raven, Meng, Hacksaw, and Curt Hennig. The man never wanted to be part of something that would make someone else look better than him. He was very selfish.

 

And you want to put Brock Lesnar down? Fine. I was never his biggest fan anyway. I just think I'm a little fairer when it comes to a wrestler's heart. And when Brock tends to sell for every man and put over the Big Show, while Goldberg couldn't even execute a proper sidekick after years of experience, I grow a little bitter inside for the carelessness that goes into appreciating an ego and a coward like him. I spit on the crown he places on his head and I do believe that Lesnar and Hart would've put on a spectacular show. How could either have not? I find you intellectually ignorant and desperate to make a point. Goldberg had all the potential in the whole world and it ended up with a hole in the head. Way to go! Bring on the pain!

[Guest SP-1]

I can say personally that Brock's pops are not edited in. At least, they were not here in Columbia. I was there. The place went nuts for him pretty much anytime he was in view, even for a Metroid Prime/WWE contest commercial they showed us between matches. He's crazy over.

 

Personally, I think they're holding Brock back from going amateur until he starts the fabled feud with Kurt Angle. I'm waiting for it to start and Angle starts babbling about his amateur skills and Brock busts out some of his own. The crowd would go nuts, I think, so I think that's why they're keeping it in reserve. It's how I would book it, certainly.

 

As for Bautista, as I said earlier he looks like he can do alot more than he's presently doing. Time will only tell, ultimately. If this new Horsemen comes together and he's a part of it, we may see more actual matches with him instead of him powerbombing Kane every week.

[Guest Heel In Peril]

Agreed. Think they'll work on Angle/Lesnar for WX9?

[Guest SP-1]

I really hope so. Even though my probability of going sinks lower with every passing day I haven't found a job, I'd still journey to a sports bar to see Angle/Lesnar.

 

If it's built right, it can make some money, and maybe even start turning things around. Not single handedly, but that kind of feud could be a good start, I would think. And that's the kind of match that I'd legit have butterflies in my stomach for.

[Guest Heel In Peril]

Who would win if legit? That's the really huge question in this case. It's so hard to come up with an educated guess. Regardless however, the one who gets the fall is gonna go over like The Second Coming or some shit. i just hope it's good and that they both walk away with something tremendous left in the feud. Plenty of specialty matches you can throw in there.

[Guest SP-1]

Not a clue. Brock obviously has more power behind him, but hell that doesn't always mean much in an amateur style match, I don't think. I'm not versed in Amateur wrestling at all, though.

 

Angle's got the Olympic experience, and his being smaller may give him some leverage in getting around Brock and such. It's a tough call until I can get a look at Brock being limber and actually wrestling in amateur style.

 

Personally, I think that Angle/Lesnar is one of those matches that would leave both men equally respected, regardless of who gains the fall as far as a pro match. Probably the same for an amateur scenario, too.

[Guest Mole]

Personally, I think they're holding Brock back from going amateur until he starts the fabled feud with Kurt Angle. I'm waiting for it to start and Angle starts babbling about his amateur skills and Brock busts out some of his own. The crowd would go nuts, I think, so I think that's why they're keeping it in reserve. It's how I would book it, certainly.

Yup, I totally agree with this. I actually hope this does happen. But this sounds perfect, knowing the WWE, this won't happen.

[Guest Brian]

From the few clips of Lesnar wrestling I've seen, angle would easily take him. Angle's far more versed in the technical and mat sections. Lesnar's a power guy who loves to stretch out his opponents until he gets openings whereas Angle is just a smarter, quicker wrestler with far more skill.

[Guest bob_barron]

Brock is mega-over. I was there at MSG and he got HUGE pop and the crowd was chanting 'Let's go Lesnar'.