Shooting Brock Press

[ChrisMWaters 0]

It's also nothing I haven't seen an eight year old do off a diving board.

...I have NEVER seen a 8 year old try shooting star presses off of diving boards.

 

Course, I go to pools with VERY strict rules.

[Guest Anglesault]

Then that's it. "No Running" is bearly enforced at my pool.

[Guest Quik]

Can Anglesault do an Anglesault off the diving board?

[Guest Downhome]

Personally, I think what is so impressive about is his landing into the pin, it's just picture perfect.

[Guest Anglesault]

Can Anglesault do an Anglesault off the diving board?

Anglesault can't do a Leg frop of the diving board. I can do an awesome frog splash though.

[Guest goodhelmet]

here's the deal....

 

if the SSP followed up the bearhug, it would make perfect sense! he worked the ribs over then killed them with the SSP. match over. then again, you are too dense to realize that brock hasn't done a 4 minute bearhug in months.

 

next, that was the best SSP i have ever seen and one of the most impressive flying manuevers i have ever seen. period.

 

next, the scary thing is we have guys like O'Haire who can do a much better version of the Swanton. Shelton B. supposedly can do a hellafied 450 and Brock can do a picture-perfect SSP. the old, wounded slugs should be worried and the ONLY reason these guys aren't pulling these moves off is because it would expose even more how worthless most of the old gaurd are.

[TheFranchise 0]

lol

 

i seem to remember none other than shane o mac doing it...

[Guest saturnmark4life]

here's the deal....

 

if the SSP followed up the bearhug, it would make perfect sense! he worked the ribs over then killed them with the SSP. match over. then again, you are too dense to realize that brock hasn't done a 4 minute bearhug in months.

 

next, that was the best SSP i have ever seen and one of the most impressive flying manuevers i have ever seen. period.

 

next, the scary thing is we have guys like O'Haire who can do a much better version of the Swanton. Shelton B. supposedly can do a hellafied 450 and Brock can do a picture-perfect SSP. the old, wounded slugs should be worried and the ONLY reason these guys aren't pulling these moves off is because it would expose even more how worthless most of the old gaurd are.

YES, and indeed if i could be fucked with timing a goddamn wrestling match of all things, i'm pretty sure it wouldn't come to 4 minutes. Like i've said before, brock really doesn't do anything wrong. But he'd do well to use this move for sure. Only Lyger has a better one that i've seen, and he invented it. And he isn't *quite* as big.

[Guest Anglesault]

if the SSP followed up the bearhug, it would make perfect sense! he worked the ribs over then killed them with the SSP.

if the SSP followed up the bearhug, it would make perfect sense! he worked the ribs over then killed them with the SSP

 

Yes, absolutely. Of course, I'd skip the boring unconvincing beagug altogether, but any rib work sets a flying move up fine.

[Guest SP-1]

Ok . . .

 

After brock got Show up for the F5, I became a fan of his. I was a part of his reaction in Columbia, I cheer for him. He was cool.

 

I see this. The grace of the move, the fairly perfect pin landing . . .

 

And I now become a flat out mark for this man. I mark for Brock Lesnar. I better get a technical, high flying Brock/Angle match for Wrestlemania, or I will be highly pissed off.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

oh come on, a bearhug is no more/less convincing than some ground based bodyscissors. Though the over-the-shoulder version he used on eddy was cool. It's not like that's the only hold he knows, they just pushed it a bit too far. (see main event bah gawd sleeper, the)

[Guest Anglesault]

You can fit a small gathering of people between brock's arms and the victim's body, especially when they hit the laying down portion of the move. Not good.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

EyE DiSaGReE.

[Guest Anglesault]

Disagree that there is no contact or with my statement that it is a bad thing?

[Guest saturnmark4life]

i haven't seen any evidence that his bearhug is in any way at fault. Sure, it's not a great FINISHER, but there's nothing wrong withthe way he does it. Actually, When he forces his shoulder into the abdomen that would lend more force.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

It's also nothing I haven't seen an eight year old do off a diving board.

Now you're just bullshitting.

 

I've seen 8 year olds do flips, but none were the size of Lesnar, none got the elevation, and none had to worry about taking the bump right.

[Guest Anglesault]

First of all, I don't give a flying fuck how big anyone is. By your logic, Jamal and Rosie should be pushed to the moon because they can moonsault and superfly splash..

 

Secondly, you'd be shocked how high these kids can get. (Yeah, probably not the elevation Brock gets, but don't dismiss it.)

 

Thirdly,and yes, this is a stretch, but they do have to worry about how they hit the water. If you mean taking the bump as in landing on someone, wel then, of course.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

First of all, I don't give a flying fuck how big anyone is. By your logic, Jamal and Rosie should be pushed to the moon because they can moonsault and superfly splash..

 

Secondly, you'd be shocked how high these kids can get. (Yeah, probably not the elevation Brock gets, but don't dismiss it.)

 

Thirdly,and yes, this is a stretch, but they do have to worry about how they hit the water. If you mean taking the bump as in landing on someone, wel then, of course.

1. No, because Lesnar is still pretty good in the ring, isn't nearly as sloppy as J+R, and on the whole isn't a useless fat fuck. I wasn't saying that Brock should be pushed because of the SSP, but that just because the 8 year old can do a backflip, doesn't mean it's the same as someone Brock's size. Okay?

 

2. Yeah, but does it reallymatter? I mean, considering they have the momentum of the board to help them?

 

3. If they land wrong they get the wind knocked out of them, if Brock lands wrong he could break his neck.

[Guest Anglesault]

I wasn't saying that Brock should be pushed because of the SSP,

So many people do, and that was my rebuttal.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I wasn't saying that Brock should be pushed because of the SSP,

So many people do, and that was my rebuttal.

I agree, because Brock should be pushed on his other merits (and he does have many) I was simply saying that it was pompous of you to scoff at an SSP because you saw an 8-Year old do it on a diving board.

[Guest Anglesault]

Maybe, but really, so fucking what? It's a god damned move. I mean, my User name is Anglesault, and it's a very nice move, but I have ANY of you ever seen me go on a lengthy rant on the beauty of the moonsault? Enough with this SSP love.

 

And while they are becoming slightly more apparent, I don't think Brock's abilities justified the God push over everyone else, especially the SD!6 (Maybe not Rey or Chavo, obviously, But the other four, even Edge, were more worthy of the push in the beginning AND now)

[Guest Repo Man jr]

Last time I saw an 8 year old doing a shooting star press off a diving board, he didn't get enough air and came down on his head. The life guard had to stop the match, which was a shame because it was the main event match for the World Swimming Pool Wrestling title. The crowd was really pissed off so they had Tripple Flipper jr come out and spit swimming pool water at Little Timmy Aqua... to send everyone back to the changing room happy.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Maybe, but really, so fucking what? It's a god damned move. I mean, my User name is Anglesault, and it's a very nice move, but I have ANY of you ever seen me go on a lengthy rant on the beauty of the moonsault? Enough with this SSP love.

 

And while they are becoming slightly more apparent, I don't think Brock's abilities justified the God push over everyone else, especially the SD!6 (Maybe not Rey or Chavo, obviously, But the other four, even Edge, were more worthy of the push in the beginning AND now)

Nobody's demanding a push for the SSP alone, we simply find the move cool to watch.

 

Lighten up a bit.

[Guest Mole]

Maybe, but really, so fucking what? It's a god damned move. I mean, my User name is Anglesault, and it's a very nice move, but I have ANY of you ever seen me go on a lengthy rant on the beauty of the moonsault? Enough with this SSP love.

 

And while they are becoming slightly more apparent, I don't think Brock's abilities justified the God push over everyone else, especially the SD!6 (Maybe not Rey or Chavo, obviously, But the other four, even Edge, were more worthy of the push in the beginning AND now)

Nobody's demanding a push for the SSP alone, we simply find the move cool to watch.

 

Lighten up a bit.

Yes, I agree with MrZsasz. People are just stating that the move is VERY impressive. The fact that a man who is 300lbs can get that high in the air, and can pull of a move like that is amazing. Why don't a lot of wrestlers use that move? BECAUSE IT ISN'T EASY TO DO. I don't know about you, but I haven't seen too many people pull that move off. Yes, young kids can pull that move off also. But do you see those young kids wrestling for the WWE.

 

No, just because he can pull off the SSP means he should get a monster push. However, pulling off a SSP shows great athletic ability. So if he can pull that off, I am sure Brock can do many other moves in the ring. Plus the fact that he can throw Big Show around the ring as if he were a 12 year old is impressive.

[Guest Anglesault]

I am sure Brock can do many other moves in the ring. Plus the fact that he can throw Big Show around the ring as if he were a 12 year old is impressive.

The fact that he has had many, many bad matches is not.

[Guest goodhelmet]

since it is SUBJECTIVE on what makes a match good or bad then you don't really have a valid point. personally, in my OPINION, i feel brock has improved leaps and bounds and has gotten the best out of the shitty opponents he ahs been handed, esp. taker.

 

like i mentioned before in a previous post, the fac tthat he can do such a wild move gives me hope for the future of wrestling once the old guard is pushed out of the way with brock leading the charge!

[Guest Mole]

I am sure Brock can do many other moves in the ring. Plus the fact that he can throw Big Show around the ring as if he were a 12 year old is impressive.

The fact that he has had many, many bad matches is not.

Well, look at Brock's opponents at the past 7 PPVs(not including KOTR):

 

Backlash: Jeff Hardy; enough said about that. This match was about 5:00 long, and just was a squash to justify that Brock is 'the Next Big Thing'

 

Judgement Day: Hardy Boyz, Brock with Heyman; enough said about this one too. Once again, a 5:00 match to show that Brock is a monster.

 

Vengeance: RVD; I'll give you this one. This match should of been decent, but it was barely okay.

 

SummerSlam: The Rock; For intent purposes, this match was a good match. Around a *** match. Out of all his PPV opponents, this was his best one, and his best match.

 

Unforgiven: Undertaker; Well, duh, of course this match sucked. It is the Undertaker. The last good match Taker had was SCSA at SummerSlam in 98. So, once again, his opponent sucked, so yeah.

 

No Mercy: Undertaker; Now this match wasn't great, but it wasn't bad. If anything, it was pretty damn brutal. This was a *** match, and getting a *** match out of Taker is pretty darn good in my book.

 

Survivor Series: Big Show; Yes, this match sucked. However, due to Show sucking balls, and Brock's broken ribs, there was a reason it sucked. A plus about this match, the fact that Brock could manhandle Show with broken ribs.

 

Now Angle's first 8 opponents were(not including KOTR): (I am picking Angle because well, he is your man Anglesault)

 

Survivor Series: Shawn Stasiak; who is a decent worker at best. However, this match was nothing to jump around about.

 

Armageddon: Steve Blackman; match was pretty decent, but I remember the crowd not being into this match at all, chanting a few boring chants in the match.

 

Royal Rumble: Tazz; this match was a good, short match.

 

No Way Out: Chris Jericho; well, this match was very good one.

 

WrestleMania: Chris Jericho/Chris Benoit; Yeah, this match kicked ass.

 

Backlash: The Big Show; Yes, this was a joke match.

 

Judgement Day: Angle/Edge/Christian vs Too Cool/Fat Man; This match was a hot opener, when the Fat Man and Too Cool were actually decent

 

Brock's first 7 opponents were not as good workers as Angle's first 7 opponents. Let's break them down:

 

Hardy vs Stasiak - I'd go with Stasiak

Hardyz vs Blackman - Blackman

RVD vs Tazz - RVD

Rock vs Jericho - Rock

Taker vs Benoit/Jericho - Benoit /Jericho

Taker vs Show - Tie

Show vs Too Cool/Fat Man - Too Cool/Fat Man

 

Angle wins 4-2 when it comes their opponents wrestling abilities.

 

My point is Brock hasn't had anyone good to work with to have a good match. To have a good wrestling match, you need two good workers out there to get something going on in the ring. Brock is no Flair, he can't carry wrestlers to **** matches or anything. Plus, you have to remember that Brock is still somewhat green. Flair was carrying people when he was a ring veteran. But given these 8 opponents, only two of them are good wrestlers, one of them being a great wrestler.

 

Yes, Angle is a MUCH better worker than Brock. However, I am sure Vince is limiting Brock on what to do in the ring. He probably tells him not to use any of his 'real' wrestling skills. I am sure he is saving them for when Angle and Brock go at it at WrestleMania.

 

Just give Brock a chance, and if by WM he isn't showing any improvement, mock/bash him all you want.

 

This is no flame at you Anglesault. I just don't understand what makes you happy. All I read when you post is nothing but negative shit. What would make you happy? In all seriousness.

[Guest EricMM]

One wonders if brock is practicing the SSP. I'd hate to see him botch it.

 

I also think it's unfair to compare one clip (the best?) of Brock's SSP to what Kidman does every night. I'm sure when brock did that he was working one show a week. It's a very hard move, and Kidman himself has said he doesn't really like doing it because it's too hard and he fucks it up half of the time. Until brock shows me he can do it that well 50% of the time, I wouldn't put him on a higher level than kidman.

 

Besides. Shooting Star Plancha to the outside. Nuff said

[Guest The Old Me]

I think the move looks damn impressive.

 

 

Am I the only one who thinks we may not get Angle vs Brock at WM? It's what I have been hoping for, but this whole Big Show title reign has really thrown me for a loop. IMO, Lesnar vs Angle at WM would be one of the best ways to build, but I'm sure good old Vince will screw us out of it.

[Guest Anglesault]

My point is Brock hasn't had anyone good to work with to have a good match.

Oh, Come ON!. He had a lousy, lousy match against Booker T. Now does Booker suck? He's yet to have a good RVD match, and damnit, they have happened! He had that WMOTYC against Cena, and yes, granted, Cena is terrible, but as evidenced by Angle, Jericho, and hell, RICO, you can have a decent---> very good match with the man.

 

Just give Brock a chance, and if by WM he isn't showing any improvement, mock/bash him all you want.

 

Wow, that sounds REALLY familiar. Hmm. Insert "HHH" for "Brock" AND YOU HAVE LAST YEAR! I think the improvement should be there Several months before main eventing the biggest show of the year. I felt the same way last year, so this isn't just Brock hate.