Wrestlemania 19's Showcase Match

[Guest bob_barron]

Austin vs Hogan is one thing: it pops a buyrate, but creates ZERO stars in the process

Does EVERYTHING have to be about 'creating new stars'? This is something i hate about Scott Keith too, after Summerslam all he did was BITCH about how no-one benefited from the HBK-HHH match. WHO THE FUCK CARES YOU IDIOT, it was a good match, we we're entertained, THAT'S WHY WE WATCH WRESTLING.

 

Sure, the WWE needs to create and build on its talent, but not in every match.

 

Illusion

First off, HHH vs HBK wasn't on top of the Summerslam card, Brock vs Rock was. I wouldn't mind seeing Austin vs Hogan, as long as it wasn't on top of the card, which is what I was referring to.

 

And yes, quite a bit of what I talk about has something to do with creating draws because RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NONE! If business was booming, I would be all up for dream matches and such. But right now things don't look so good and the product stinks, so yeah, I FUCKING CARE, YOU PUNK ASS BITCH! (remember you called me idiot first, fuckface)

The one problem Dangerous A is that Hogan v. Austin would be at the top of the card since Vince would be obviously be afraid of what happened at X-8 where Hogan v. Rock was seen as the main event and completely killed the heat for Jericho v. HHH. (Which yea- did a good job itself of killing its on heat)

[Guest HartFan86]

And having Austin go over Hogan won't hurt anybody cause it makes Austin that much more credible and Hogan's already givin the rub to Lesnar, Angle, Rock, etc...so it really won't matter.

[Guest HartFan86]

The one problem Dangerous A is that Hogan v. Austin would be at the top of the card since Vince would be obviously be afraid of what happened at X-8 where Hogan v. Rock was seen as the main event and completely killed the heat for Jericho v. HHH. (Which yea- did a good job itself of killing its on heat)

And you're suppose to cheer a main event that's built up around killing a DOG? Yeah, ok. I've talked to many people who went to Mania x8 and everyone of them said they still had energy left, but Jericho/HHH sucked so much it wasn't worth it.

 

Have Angle vs. Benoit or Angle vs. Lesnar...THEN you'll see the difference.

[Guest Dangerous A]

Austin vs Hogan is one thing: it pops a buyrate, but creates ZERO stars in the process

Does EVERYTHING have to be about 'creating new stars'? This is something i hate about Scott Keith too, after Summerslam all he did was BITCH about how no-one benefited from the HBK-HHH match. WHO THE FUCK CARES YOU IDIOT, it was a good match, we we're entertained, THAT'S WHY WE WATCH WRESTLING.

 

Sure, the WWE needs to create and build on its talent, but not in every match.

 

Illusion

First off, HHH vs HBK wasn't on top of the Summerslam card, Brock vs Rock was. I wouldn't mind seeing Austin vs Hogan, as long as it wasn't on top of the card, which is what I was referring to.

 

And yes, quite a bit of what I talk about has something to do with creating draws because RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NONE! If business was booming, I would be all up for dream matches and such. But right now things don't look so good and the product stinks, so yeah, I FUCKING CARE, YOU PUNK ASS BITCH! (remember you called me idiot first, fuckface)

The one problem Dangerous A is that Hogan v. Austin would be at the top of the card since Vince would be obviously be afraid of what happened at X-8 where Hogan v. Rock was seen as the main event and completely killed the heat for Jericho v. HHH. (Which yea- did a good job itself of killing its on heat)

I know that's the problem, Bob.

 

Vince is more of a "let's get aging and crippled stars back in the top spots" guy than "let's throw this young buck out there, give him a push, and see where it goes" type.

 

That is my problem with the Austin vs Hogan matchup for WM.

 

*Illusion- When you name call on DA, you are posting bullshit. Especially when it's unwarranted.

[Guest IB2BLACK]

No chance Benoit ever headlines a Wrestlemania, and Angle vs. Lesnar shouldn't headline either. I can imagine, maybe a "heel" Rock vs Brock.

[Guest Dangerous A]

The one problem Dangerous A is that Hogan v. Austin would be at the top of the card since Vince would be obviously be afraid of what happened at X-8 where Hogan v. Rock was seen as the main event and completely killed the heat for Jericho v. HHH. (Which yea- did a good job itself of killing its on heat)

And you're suppose to cheer a main event that's built up around killing a DOG? Yeah, ok. I've talked to many people who went to Mania x8 and everyone of them said they still had energy left, but Jericho/HHH sucked so much it wasn't worth it.

 

Have Angle vs. Benoit or Angle vs. Lesnar...THEN you'll see the difference.

Angle-Lesnar is the only thing I would run with at Mania. Angle vs Benoit would no longer be a fresh match up and will probrably be stale by the time March rolls around.

[Guest bob_barron]

The show did over a 2.0 and sold out Skydome. Considering the rest of the junk on that card, I'd say Rock/Hogan drew very well.

I heard the show did a 1.5 and I think they would've sold out the Skydome regardless I think.

 

Regarding your point about X-8, I talked to two people who went and one left after Hogan v. Rock and the other basically said Hogan v. Rock sucked all their energy out of them.

 

But I do agree that had Jericho v. HHH actually not been built about a dog being run over it probably wouldn't have bombed

[Guest bob_barron]

I agree DA- I'd maybe blowoff Angle v. Benoit at No Way Out and then pick it up over the summer by having Benoit challenge Angle for the title.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

The show did over a 2.0 and sold out Skydome. Considering the rest of the junk on that card, I'd say Rock/Hogan drew very well.

I heard the show did a 1.5 and I think they would've sold out the Skydome regardless I think.

 

Regarding your point about X-8, I talked to two people who went and one left after Hogan v. Rock and the other basically said Hogan v. Rock sucked all their energy out of them.

 

But I do agree that had Jericho v. HHH actually not been built about a dog being run over it probably wouldn't have bombed

I know for a fact the show did not top 2.0 in buyrate. Barron's suggestion of 1.5 seems much closer to the mark. This years wrestlemania was a total failure when compared to how big last year's was, which i think ventured into 3.0+ land.

 

Illusion

[Guest bob_barron]

The show did over a 2.0 and sold out Skydome. Considering the rest of the junk on that card, I'd say Rock/Hogan drew very well.

I heard the show did a 1.5 and I think they would've sold out the Skydome regardless I think.

 

Regarding your point about X-8, I talked to two people who went and one left after Hogan v. Rock and the other basically said Hogan v. Rock sucked all their energy out of them.

 

But I do agree that had Jericho v. HHH actually not been built about a dog being run over it probably wouldn't have bombed

I know for a fact the show did not top 2.0 in buyrate. Barron's suggestion of 1.5 seems much closer to the mark. This years wrestlemania was a total failure when compared to how big last year's was, which i think ventured into 3.0+ land.

 

Illusion

Pro Wrestling History places X-7 as a 2.4 buyrate which is pretty impressive in its own right.

 

X-8 was hurt by a dead main event feud and being on St. Patrick's Day I think.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Wrestlemania X-8 got approximately a 1.6 buyrate, which was on par with Royal Rumble's buyrate two months earlier.

 

This doesn't surprise me. X-8's buildup was god-awful with only two or three matches being bereft of retardedness beforehand. It was almost embarassing seeing the stuff WWF was doing to promote the matches (and thus the event in general).

[Guest Nevermortal]

Hogan v. Austin? BLAH.

 

I'm hoping:

 

Angle vs. Lesnar, Austin v. HHH (Austin kills him), and RVD vs. The Rock.

 

Maybe throw in Benoit v. Edge for kicks.

[Guest HartFan86]

Here's what I'm trying to say:

 

Last year, this is what I had for a feeling after Mania was over:

 

Man, Rock/Hogan ruled, but that main event sucked!

 

Here's what needs to be done for Mania 19:

 

Man, Austin/Hogan ruled, but that main event was amazing with Angle/Lesnar/Benoit/Whatever Young Wrestlers they may put in it.

 

Feed off of the the old draws and create new ones. Simple concept.

[Guest HartFan86]

Wrestlemania X-8 got approximately a 1.6 buyrate, which was on par with Royal Rumble's buyrate two months earlier.

Damn...I didn't know that.

[Guest HartFan86]

Angle vs. Lesnar, Austin v. HHH (Austin kills him), and RVD vs. The Rock.

 

Maybe throw in Benoit v. Edge for kicks.

Damn...that sounds appealing as hell.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I don't know if anyone said it yet...but Austin turned this match down last year.

 

I don't see why he'd want it now.

 

Plus...Hogan doesn't work here anymore. Austin will be back soon enough *Vince isn't going to pay him next year's guarantee to sit at home"...but Hogan would need a whole new contract.

[Guest bob_barron]

Doesn't Hogan's contract end next month?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

January something or other.

[Guest HartFan86]

Doesn't Hogan's contract end next month?

January 14...so he'd need some type of agreement to keep going to Mania.

 

BTW, Hogan said on Confidential he's healither than the 1st time he came back this year (Knee and back are better), and that he hasn't had his last match. It's Confidential....so take for what it's worth...but I'd say he'll be back.

[Guest bob_barron]

Well Hogan said he was going to go to Japan I think

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Austin/Brock could be big, and other than Angle/Lesnar is about the only big match the WWF has available to them. Austin would have to put over Lesnar clean, and no face vs. face crap.

[Guest IB2BLACK]

What about "heel" Rock vs. Brock?

[Guest DJ Jeff]

I'd love to see Austin vs. Hogan at Wrestlemania 19. Though, not as the main event. That should be used for Lesnar vs. Angle. Going back to Austin vs. Hogan, that's a dream match that alot of fans want to see, including myself. It could be Hogan's last match, with Austin getting the win. The only thing that could prevent this match from taking place, is whether Austin returns or not. Also, whether Hogan signs a contract or something to wrestle past Wrestlemania 19. A few things to work out before this match can take place, so don't get excited just yet.

[Guest bob_barron]

No one really is getting excited DJ Jeff.

 

It wouldn't be the right match to do since it could overshadow the rest of the roster.

 

To IB2Black-

Im not feeling Rock v. Lesnar Part II. Rock v. RVD sounds like a much better match since they worked well together in their matches last year

[Guest IB2BLACK]

But RVD is RAW & Rock is Smackdown.

[Guest bob_barron]

They could easily explain that if they wanted to.

 

They could say something Rock signed with Bischoff before he froze the rosters.

[Guest HartFan86]

I think if they DO Hogan & Austin @ Mania, they need to make it really good....but make sure the main event is just as, if not better.

 

People need to be going into this talking about Austin/Hogan and coming out talking about the main event (Angle/Lesnar supposely).

[Guest Anglesault]

I wanna see Austin/Angle again.

[Guest bob_barron]

Me too AS. But I'd rather Angle v. Lesnar at WM then Austin v. Angle again.

 

Doing Austin v. Hogan could overshadow the main event and sticking it in the midcard will kill a couple of matches regardless.

[Guest Anglesault]

Me too AS. But I'd rather Angle v. Lesnar at WM then Austin v. Angle again.

Nah. A Nice Upper card Austin/Angle (like 7 or 8 if it's a nine match show) would send me home happy.