Wrestlemania 19's Showcase Match

[Guest bob_barron]

Ummm have you read any of the discussion? We've established Austin doesn't want to face Hogan and Hogan won't be under contract by then so it'd be pretty hard for them to do Hogan v. Austin

[Guest godthedog]

the most important requirement of the main event is that kurt angle's in it and he goes over cleanly. for the last 4 years, the company's entire direction has been determined by the winner of the main event at wrestlemania (with the possible exception of 2000, where it was more built around the trips/rock feud). and, as i (along with just about everyone else on this board) have been repeating, angle is the man to build the company around. not triple h, not brock, NOT the big show.

 

angle/lesnar is a great idea, but i think they should hold off on it for now. if they both have the same momentum they have now in march, it'll be face v. face. this means somebody will have to lose cleanly, and neither can afford to at this point. MAYBE brock could lose and get his win back the next year, but i doubt he'll be ready to carry the company in 2004. plus vince's year-to-year WM plans never stay the same. business will most likely keep bombing if brock goes over & keeps being half the focus of the company. and angle probably won't draw if he's half the focus and has a clean loss to brock. so ultimately, i don't think anyone can really win in this situation.

 

angle/austin would've been perfect last year if austin had remained heel and kept the belt, giving angle the ultimate blowoff. but angle wasn't properly built as a face, then they turned austin, etc...but that's another rant for another time. if austin is there at wrestlemania, he won't be a heel. angle can't lose this face momentum he's getting or it'll set him WAY back. if austin & angle do a face/face match, fans will cheer austin & get pissed when angle wins. they could have him do a heel turn in the match & have a reign of terror over the wwf, but they tried that in 2001 with austin & we all know how that went.

 

i can see a raw v. smackdown angle as a real possibility for wrestlemania, so they may have the raw champ face the smackdown champ. as we all know, trips will still be the raw champ by then. if they put the smackdown belt on angle, this match may be able to work, but they'd need to let trips act the pure heel & angle act the pure face. play up the fact that trips has been on top on & off for 2 years and, though angle's had the belt, he's never had the chance to really be the MAN. needless to say, angle would need to go over clean in spectacular fashion or it won't work. and since this is trips we're talking about, it won't happen. it will also have the worst match of the 3 options i've done.

 

face angle v. heel rocky? THIS would be something. turning rocky heel would be the easiest thing in the world, and since he's got teflon heat, he can give the rub to whoever he wants & not lose anything. angle's the perfect guy to give the rub to. i can't see anything bad about this option, so it seems like the best way to go.

[Guest IB2BLACK]

"Face" Angle sucks, leave like he is, a heel.

[Guest bob_barron]

Angle basically already is a face. He gets some of the loudest face pops I've heard and at the taping I went to in Toronto the crowd chanted 'We Want Angle' during the tag match.

 

Just keep Angle as his and I think him v. Brock will do just fine.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

"Face" Angle sucks, leave like he is, a heel.

I disagree. I thought his face run when he was chasing Austin was amazing. It's like he would "snap" then couldn't be beaten. You had to tune it to see how the paranoid heel Austin could keep his title away from the insane face Angle.

 

I loved it.

[Guest godthedog]

"Face" Angle sucks, leave like he is, a heel.

have you been watching for the last 2 weeks? angle isn't a heel.

[Guest IB2BLACK]

But people got tired of it after a couple of weeks, and then he was back to being a heel. Which he's great at. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Plus Brock vs. Angle, with Brock being the face could work.

[Guest godthedog]

But people got tired of it after a couple of weeks, and then he was back to being a heel. Which he's great at. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Plus Brock vs. Angle, with Brock being the face could work.

they started getting sick of it after summerslam, which is EXACTLY when the writers starting making angle into a steve austin clone. the blame isn't with angle, it's with the writers who think every main event face has to be a badass antihero. fans loved angle when his character made the natural progression to face without anything forced, and they seem to be loving it now.

 

and face brock v. heel angle wouldn't work, cause brock would have to win. and angle MUST win at wrestlemania.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

But people got tired of it after a couple of weeks, and then he was back to being a heel. Which he's great at. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Plus Brock vs. Angle, with Brock being the face could work.

It will work. It's going to happen. I was just saying..

[Guest HartFan86]

I don't see how one job by Austin would've hurt the business.

It wouldn't of helped it either. And like Anglesault said, if they did that, locker room morale would be shit...even if it still is.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

But people got tired of it after a couple of weeks, and then he was back to being a heel. Which he's great at. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Plus Brock vs. Angle, with Brock being the face could work.

they started getting sick of it after summerslam, which is EXACTLY when the writers starting making angle into a steve austin clone. the blame isn't with angle, it's with the writers who think every main event face has to be a badass antihero. fans loved angle when his character made the natural progression to face without anything forced, and they seem to be loving it now.

 

and face brock v. heel angle wouldn't work, cause brock would have to win. and angle MUST win at wrestlemania.

You know, I'm just glad to see that someone other than me realises that Angle was fucking great as a face before the WWE tried to make him Austin part two. From the start of the Invasion to Summerslam Angle was mega-over at Rock/Austin levels. The crowd ate up everything he did. It was the Austin clone writing afterwards and more damagingly September 11 that killed Angle's face momentum. I feel that such was the magnitude of 9/11 that the whole American hero angle just didn't sit well with the fans, it was too serious an event to cash in on. Angle can easily be top face. But Jesus Christ, no more Austin-Angle. Fuck, did that feud go down the shitter when Austin turned face and Angle turned heel. I mean come on, Austin wins clean over Angle at Vengeance with one stunner when he categorically could not beat Angle two months before? Fuck that. Its little details like that that make me question Austin's desire to put over any of his fellow workers. There's no way in hell he was ever going to job to Eddie, and Benoit would have gotten a tainted win over him at absolute best. But talking of old feuds, does anyone else think that we never got proper closure to Austin-Rock? I know it creates no new stars, but I want to see the Rock pin Austin 1-2-3 clean as a whistle. The guy deserves at least one clean win over Austin.

[Guest Anglesault]

the most important requirement of the main event is that kurt angle's in it and he goes over cleanly

Not necessarily. We are rapidly approaching the "too late" mark for them to start pushing him seriously, and anyway, Austin/Angle in a nice upper card match would blow anything involving Brock (Whom I've finally accepted is maining the show) out of the water.

[Guest HartFan86]

I was at the Smackdown before InVasion of last year and EVERYONE was fucking loving Angle. You'd walk down the streets of Boston and people where chanting Angle.

 

9/11 fucked up everything relating to Angle. He never should of beat Austin @ Unforgiven.

[Guest bob_barron]

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Angle is already viewed as a main eventer by the fans. They could put him over for the title and not miss a beat

[Guest bob_barron]

I was at the Smackdown before InVasion of last year and EVERYONE was fucking loving Angle. You'd walk down the streets of Boston and people where chanting Angle.

 

9/11 fucked up everything relating to Angle. He never should of beat Austin @ Unforgiven.

He never should've turned into Stone Cold Version 2

[Guest Anglesault]

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Angle is already viewed as a main eventer by the fans. They could put him over for the title and not miss a beat

And once again, put Angle up against the Undertaker, and it's not even a close match in the marks eyes.

[Guest bob_barron]

I disagree- the last time they fought Angle made him tap out

[Guest Anglesault]

The last time they fought, Taker manhandled him, no sold both his finishers, no sold a double finisher, and beat him and Benoit at the same time.

[Guest bob_barron]

That was a 3-way match to further the Benoit v. Angle feud and get Taker over for his match v. Brock.

 

Their last singles match 1-1, Angle made him tap out

[Guest Anglesault]

Which taker than proceded to deny and no sell in interviews, rendering it pointless.

[Guest bob_barron]

I don't think so- at Vengeance when Angle locked it in again I was def on the edge of my seat thinking he'd tap

[Guest Brian]

There's a difference between being able to put Angle in a main event and having him pin a main eventer. Yes, they could probably put him in a main event without problem. The fans would see that as a suitable main event. But he's not established enough to do the latter, hold the title and pin top guys.