The most insane head-drop move ever.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I don't know, Kobashi getting murdered with the backdrop drivers in 93 is one of my all-time favorite wrestling moments. Just total brutality.

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

I don't know, Kobashi getting murdered with the backdrop drivers in 93 is one of my all-time favorite wrestling moments. Just total brutality.

There's nothing wrong with Head drops being used conservatively, as long as they are sold well. It made zero sence to be dead after the first Backdrop Driver, and than pop up after the second one. If he wanted to do a pop up out on his feet sale, he should have done it after the first one. Not to mention he did like a 10 minute corpse sell for one in a tag match just weeks before the match. Now he can pop up after two.

 

A good example of how to use head drops properly would be the Kawada/Dr. Death Carnie match in 94. Dr. Death drops Kawada on his head with a Tiger Suplex out of nowhere, Kawada plays dead. Dr. Death covers him but gets two, but Kawada kicks out and rolls out of the ring. Later on, Dr. Death drops him on his head with one Back Drop Driver. Kawada rolls out of the ring, and lays on the floor for 3 minutes to properly sell it. See also Kawada doing the corpse sell after the Rolling Elbow/Release German combo in the 12/93 match.

[Guest Nevermortal]

Anyone still wanna see the Dreamer/RVD piledriver?

 

[Guest saturnmark4life]

hehehe. One of the few times i've liked RVD.

[Guest godthedog]

Anyone still wanna see the Dreamer/RVD piledriver?

 

that's so funny. it's like rvd's spring-loaded and dreamer flipped a switch that undid the coil.

 

puro purists tend to hate that 3 backdrop driver ending, but i love it. when he bolted up instinctively after the second one, frantically and mindlessly grabbing for anything, i was legitimately scared that kobashi had been knocked silly and had no idea where he was or what he was doing. i believe that's the effect he was going for, & i thought it worked beautifully and got the move over bigger than if he'd just done it the one time.

 

now i know that kobashi had taken a backdrop driver before and spent 10 minutes lying on the floor selling it, & it makes no sense to go from that to the 3 backdrop drivers, but taken in and of itself i get a kick out of it.

[Guest DragonflyKid]

Going from selling the first Homicide Driver from the six-man for 5 minutes like it was death then selling it much less in the 8/31/93 match was goofy but I liked it. I'm not saying it was sound but it was about Kobashi getting Kobashi's fighting spirit over even if it compromised proper selling, the fighting-spirit defined Kobashi to a great extent. I don't think I'd like Kobashi as much if if he sold realistically and the "right way" everytime.

 

Kobashi's undersell of the Homicide Driver didn't hurt the credibility of the Homicide Drivers like godthedog said. It was about Kobashi's fighting spirit moreso then the move being ineffective. Kobashi was out of the match after they were hit, he may have kicked out but his defeat was inevitable.

 

There was only two Homicide Drivers in the 8/93 match, the match then ended in a high-angle Backdrop Suplex hold which Williams bridged so beautifully it would make Manami Toyota weep in envy.

 

The RVD/Dreamer Piledriver although great visually is not a head-drop, Piledrivers are one of the easiest moves to be protected on which was the case(Andy Kauffman even took a few). It was taken great by RVD but I doubt he bounced up from the impact on his head. Look at how bouncy the ECW ring is compared to WWE rings, Dreamer sinks into the mat before RVD is launched upward.

[Guest dreamer420]

I love that piledriver and you can't tell me that RVD didn't have to make some contact with the mat on that move.

[Guest Dace59]

If he did with anything but is hands, it was sloppy.

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

I don't give a fuck who you are, you can't bounce three feet in the air off the top of your head. RVD was most defianlty using his arms to spring off the mat, still a cool effect but not a real head drop. This is a head drop:

 

 

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

Going from selling the first Homicide Driver from the six-man for 5 minutes like it was death then selling it much less in the 8/31/93 match was goofy but I liked it. I'm not saying it was sound but it was about Kobashi getting Kobashi's fighting spirit over even if it compromised proper selling, the fighting-spirit defined Kobashi to a great extent. I don't think I'd like Kobashi as much if if he sold realistically and the "right way" everytime.

 

Kobashi's undersell of the Homicide Driver didn't hurt the credibility of the Homicide Drivers like godthedog said. It was about Kobashi's fighting spirit moreso then the move being ineffective. Kobashi was out of the match after they were hit, he may have kicked out but his defeat was inevitable.

The problem was not the out on the feet goofy sell or the two Dangerous Backdrops, it was the timing of it. It would have made a hell of alot more sense, to do the out on the feet sale after the first Dangerous Backdrop.

 

How the hell can one Dangerous Backdrop knock out, and a second one wake you up and allow you to stagger around. That's like knocking a guy out with a ball bat, and than hit him while he's down, only for him to wake up and stagger around. It just doesn't happen.

 

This would be like Kawada popping up after the Backdrop Driver in the 12/93 tag match, it would have been retarded.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

IIRC, he tried to fight out of the second one, but got clubbed in the back of the neck with a lariat, and executed directly afterwards. After that one, he didn't do a single effective thing other than the "holy shit, where am I and what year is it?" sell, which I loved.

 

The bridging backdrop right after was just Doc being a sadist and finishing it off in a brutal way.

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

IIRC, he tried to fight out of the second one, but got clubbed in the back of the neck with a lariat, and executed directly afterwards. After that one, he didn't do a single effective thing other than the "holy shit, where am I and what year is it?" sell, which I loved.

 

The bridging backdrop right after was just Doc being a sadist and finishing it off in a brutal way.

Here's all I am saying, in the All Japan world of accumalated damage, a second Dangerous Backdrop should be more effective than the first one. One puts him on the mat, a second lets him wobble around. Wobbling should come before going down. It's not that hard to see that the spot would have been more effective if he popped up after the first one, and got grounded after the second one.