Guest cynicalprofit Report post Posted December 5, 2002 http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/03...kull/index.html Scientist: Oldest American skull found By Jeordan Legon CNN (CNN) --Researchers said it may be the oldest skull ever found in the Americas: an elongated-faced woman who died about 13,000 years ago. But perhaps more significant than the age, researchers said, is that the skull and other bones were found while a well was being dug near Mexico City International Airport. Because the remains were discovered outside the United States, scientists will be able to study the DNA and structure of the skeleton without the objection of Native American groups, who can claim and rebury ancestral remains under a 1990 U.S. law. "Here Mexico is providing the opportunity to see what clues these bones can yield about man's arrival in the American continent," Mexican anthropologist Jose Concepcion Jimenez Lopez said. The oldest skull in the Americas up to now, believed to be that of "Buhl Woman," was found in 1989 at a gravel quarry in Idaho. Scientists said it dates back 10,500 to 11,000 years. But researchers scarcely studied those bones before the Shoshone-Bannock tribe claimed and reburied them. The "Peñon Woman III" -- which scientists believe is now the oldest skull from the New World -- has been sitting in Mexico City's National Museum of Anthropology since 1959. At the insistence of geologist Silvia Gonzalez, who had a hunch that the bones were older than previously thought, the remains were taken to Oxford University to be carbon-dated. And indeed, tests proved Gonzalez's assertion. Scientists said they believe that the Peñon Woman died anywhere from 12,700 to 13,000 years ago at the age of 27. Did humans arrive in the Americas by boat? Emboldened by her finding, Gonzalez will try to prove her theory that the bones of the Peñon Woman belong not to Native Americans, but to descendants of the Ainu people of Japan. She said she bases her hypothesis on the elongated, narrow shape of the Peñon Woman's skull. Native Americans, she said, are round-faced with broad cheeks. "Quite different from Peñon Woman," she said. She said she believes descendants of the Ainu people made their way to the New World by island hopping on boats. "If this proves right, it's going to be quite contentious," said Gonzalez, who teaches at John Moores University in England and received a grant last week from the British government to conduct her research. "We're going to say to Native Americans, 'Maybe there were some people in the Americas before you, who are not related to you.' " Gonzalez's theory is controversial but gaining credence in scientific circles, where up to now many believed hardy mammoth hunters were first to arrive in the Americas 14,000 to 16,000 years ago by crossing into Alaska from Siberia. Gonzalez and other scientists said they believe people may have arrived in America as much as 25,000 years ago. She points to evidence of camps -- man-made tools, a human footprint and huts dating back 25,000 years -- that have been found in Chile as evidence of man's imprint on the Americas long before mammoth hunters. Searching for answers to coastal migration Gonzalez will embark on a three-year journey to prove her theory. As part of that journey, she will travel to Baja California to study the Pericue people, who shared the same elongated faces of the Peñon Woman. She said she believes that the Pericue, who for unknown reasons went extinct in the 18th century, may hold the answers to coastal migration of man from Asia to America. The bones of the Peñon Woman will have DNA extracted to compare it with genetic matter of the Pericue, she said. Scientists also said they hope to study clothes fibers found near the skeleton and try to piece together how the woman died. Gonzalez said the skeleton does not show any wounds or obvious injuries. "We still have a long way to go," she said. "But we have a good start." Find this article at: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/03...kull/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RobJohnstone Report post Posted December 5, 2002 "Scientists said they believe that the Peñon Woman died anywhere from 12,700 to 13,000 years ago at the age of 27." 300 year gap, good job. How do they prove this stuff? --Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooseCannon Report post Posted December 5, 2002 How do they prove what? They prove how old it is by carbon dating if that's the question. Reading through that, I'm rather annoyed by the law that permits native Americans to claim some of these bodies and bury them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RobJohnstone Report post Posted December 5, 2002 You know, I heard they carbon dated a freshly dead penguin and they said it dated 17,000 years old. I will have to look more into this. I don't think carbon dating is accurate. --Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted December 5, 2002 It is highly accurate. Like any technology, it will occasionally screw up, like your penguin example (which you got from where?), but overall it's sound science. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooseCannon Report post Posted December 5, 2002 You know, I heard they carbon dated a freshly dead penguin and they said it dated 17,000 years old. I will have to look more into this. I don't think carbon dating is accurate. --Rob Yeah sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted December 5, 2002 300 year gap, good job. How do they prove this stuff? Oh for hell's sake, quit carping about things like this. Considering that the 300-year gap you're moaning about translates into a potential error rate of 2.3%, I'd say they've done a pretty good job on it. Just because things like carbon dating (isn't it properly called radio-carbon dating, for those who know about it?) might disprove the quaint little notions you hold close to your breast doesn't make them junk science. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted December 5, 2002 Especially since Carbon 14 decays at a fixed rate, and the majority of what is involved in the process is simple math. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites