OVW to workers: "No ECW for you!"

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

The Torch newsletter copy/paste news continues to roll in

 

Jim Cornette, who is the main trainer and booker of Ohio Valley Wrestling, reportedly does not allow WWE developmental wrestlers to watch video tapes of ECW.

 

Cornette has long hated ECW, and blames ECW for the increased injuries and higher expectations from fans weaned on highspot laden matches rather than psychology based bouts.

 

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[Guest bravesfan]

Cornette = GOD.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Thats pretty smart since injuries are a huge problem in WWE these days...

[Guest Kid Kablam]

He should probably prevent them from seeing Hell in a Cell (Mankind vs Taker) TLC 1-3 (why the hell would they WANT to watch IV) as well as these are not much more than spotfests.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Yes, focusing on actual wrestling would be a good thing...

[Guest art_vandelay]

It would be interesting if Cornette got the Raw book. Now there's a real feud, Cornette vs. Heyman.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

Thankyou Jimmy, OVW's going to end up as the superior fed at this rate

[LaParkaYourCar]

Thankyou Jimmy, OVW's going to end up as the superior fed at this rate

Quite frankly if OVW had a national TV deal I bet they would pull in way better ratings than the WWE.

[Guest geniusMoment]

Don't forget Cornette booked some of the worst fueds ever in Smokey Mountain, maybe because I'm from Cincy and have seen OVW and Smokey my opinion on Cornette is less then the rest of you. While the basic storyline of wrestler vs. wrestler based on things that actually occur in the ring is refreshing, you must realize he is not a fan of fast paced or the lucha style that many of the cruisers employ. How about letting them watch ECW and picking out both the good and the bad showing them why some things work and some things don't. Ignorance of a product is never a positive. Thomas Jefferson once said "A country can never be ignorant and free, its something that never was and something that will never be." Just let them watch the fucking shows Corny, don't make me take a baseball bat to you fucking car.

[Guest El Satanico]

Cornette = more old school wrestling AKA hosses

 

Cornette = the devil

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Cornette = more old school wrestling AKA hosses

 

Cornette = the devil

Are you telling me there were NO smaller guys back in the day? That men under 240 did not exist way back when? I doubt that. If anything, all the years of S-E may have done is locked them in their own little divisions, away from everyone else.

 

I think there must be a fine line somewhere from appreciating vintage wrestling and being one of these slobbering big man fetishists who can immediately tell you College Football stats on anyone.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

Yeah, I'm sure these guys and women go home after a week of training and think, "Oh No, I can't watch My ECW 'Heat Wave' tape because Jim Cornette said so."

[Guest cynicalprofit]

So I'm guessing they cant watch the dean benoit eddy stuff either.

 

Please, let them watch it, let them soak up as much as possible. Tell them doing some of this stuff will hurt beyond words, and stuff like that, but dont fucking censore them or their atrtistic abilities, because ECW isnt what you like.

[Guest cabbageboy]

Here is Cornette's fatal flaw in his view: ECW for the most part was much more entertaining than OVW. Trust me, I've seen OVW and I know that it is mostly a bunch of untalented veterans and rookies that do the same 5 basic spots. Doing psychology laden bouts is fine if you have Hart and Steamboat, but it's kinda lame to see two rookies out there trying that sort of thing and not knowing how to do it.

 

In reality, the only part of ECW that really should never be revived is the New Jack style garbage matches. That stuff was crap.

 

Oh, and Cornette is also being somewhat of a hypocrite here since one of the best OVW matches I've ever seen was Flash Flannagan vs. Trailer Park Trash in a violent, spot filled hardcore brawl.

[Guest Brian]

Because it's not like Cornetter ever employed New Jack.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

Here is Cornette's fatal flaw in his view: ECW for the most part was much more entertaining than OVW. Trust me, I've seen OVW and I know that it is mostly a bunch of untalented veterans and rookies that do the same 5 basic spots. Doing psychology laden bouts is fine if you have Hart and Steamboat, but it's kinda lame to see two rookies out there trying that sort of thing and not knowing how to do it.

 

In reality, the only part of ECW that really should never be revived is the New Jack style garbage matches. That stuff was crap.

 

Oh, and Cornette is also being somewhat of a hypocrite here since one of the best OVW matches I've ever seen was Flash Flannagan vs. Trailer Park Trash in a violent, spot filled hardcore brawl.

But the point is that they're learning solid skills early on as opposed to the currentl mentality that states that rampant bumping covers up a multitude of sins. And I would think that ECW was more entertaining, let's not forget that these are developemental talents that have a long way to go. And as for untalented veterans and rookies that do the same five spots, look no further than ECW.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Cornette's just bitter because ECW was a success while Smokey Mountain was a flop...SMW was too big to be small, and too small to be big, it was a lose lose cause.

 

Maybe if he let the guys watched ECW they'd see how a company started with nothing and grew to be the #3 fed in North America.

[Guest buffybeast]

I think Cornette is being a bit harsh. Yes, ECW was spot lade most of the time. But there were also some very good matches that the kids in Ohio could learn from.

 

I do agree with Cornette's desire to emphasize the basics with those kids. But to banish a successful brand simply because of his personal hatred for it is silly.

[Guest razazteca]

Orginal Gangsters killed Smokey Mountain right?

 

is tag team wrestling evil also?

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Oh no! Big Daddy Cornette said they can't watch a product because he doesn't PERSONALLY enjoy it! I guess they are now tossing out the entire collection of ECW tapes they might have...

 

Fuck Cornette. He's bitter because ECW is/was a recognizeable brand in the States, and will forever be remembered by casuals, whereas you have to be a diehard fan to know what the fuck Smokey Mountain was.

[Guest deadbeater]

I don't know, Cornette is the type of guy that can make Rey Mysterio wrestle at the speed of '80s Harley Race.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

That's fucking ignorant if you ask me. ECW was a lot more than just garbage wrestling. He should let some of the OVW guys watch tapes of matches between people like Tajiri, Little Guido, Jerry Lynn, Lance Storm, etc.

 

Sure, shit like New Jack & the Rottens is garbage, but they don't have to watch that shit.

[Guest cabbageboy]

Hell, Smokey Mountain wasn't even the longest running and most entertaining wrestling company in the state of Tennesse. That would easily be the USWA (or CWA, whichever). The Moondogs did violent garbage matches years before The Gangstas, and they also had a manager that blew a whistle years before Alfonso.

 

The point I was making is this: why not just let guys do what they want? If they start hurting themselves or others, then scale it back.

[Guest razazteca]

just keep the tables, chairs, barb wire, shopping cart of plunder away from OVW.

 

or they can make Jakie Gayda take a few apron to guardrail table spots!

[Guest Banky]

ECW had Malenko, Guerrero, Mysterio, Benoit, Tajiri and others before any other promotion in North America - so they were doing somethign right. Of course with the workers who had brains the size of marbles, they'd be put in garbage matches which are an embarrassment.

 

Though, it was righteous when Rhyno piledrove Sandman's wife through a table onto the concrete floor. That was pretty despicable.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

If there ever was a point when ECW carried the type of thing people should be watching, it was deffinately not after they got a pay per view deal, which is primarily what most of those guys are seeing.

 

Then again, if OVW are the ones training people to work the empty, robotic, borring "WWE style" matches that we see on Raw and Smackdown, Jim's in no place to complain about poor influence.

 

Because it's not like Cornetter ever employed New Jack.

 

Ha! Wow, I actually found a memorable quote in this thread after all. Nice to know some people are still using their gray matter for a good cause around here.

[Guest NoSelfWorth]

If ECW was so bad, how come it lasted a lot longer than SMW ?

[Guest RickyChosyu]

If ECW was so bad, how come it lasted a lot longer than SMW ?

Heyman was using his familly's money to bank role it the entire time. There was never a point in time when it could actually pay for itself.

 

And why are you even using that comparison? If I had to chose between the two promotions, I would probably pick neither, but that doesn't have anything to do with what OVW type guys should be watching. The point is they shouldn't be watching shoddy work with no substance, and I'd say Cornette is more skilled at teaching them the fundimentals than an ECW tape. If they ever want to move past the current, "WWE style" which pays no attention to the meaning of the work, the last thing they need influencing them is Heyman's circus, which was basically the same thing.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Well, ECW was entertaining to me, and the WWE isn't.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

So using more ECW-isms is the answer? I think we've been down that path enough to know otherwise.