Gangs of New York

[Guest Vern Gagne]

So far the reviews have been good. I haven't seen it so these are predictions.

 

Scorsece gets his long deserved Best Director Award.

 

Daniel Day Lewis wins either Best Actor or Supporting Actor.

 

The movie wins the Best Picture.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

I'm not gonna already jump to conclusions about best picture, but I think Day-Lewis is a lock for a Best Actor Oscar. Really, there isn't a whole lot of competition this year, unless Hanks gets a nod for Road to Perdition. Other then that, the field is his.

[Guest Vyce]

I believe that Peter Jackson should win Best Director and that The Two Towers should win Best Picture.

 

But my heart tells me that both will be royally fucked up the ass by Gangs of New York come Oscar time.

[Guest MDH257]

I'm almost certain Miramax will run a campaign for Daniel Day Lewis as Best Supporting Actor.

 

I willing to bet they hope to get Leo nominated for Best Actor and they don't want Lewis competing with him.

[Guest Choken One]

Likely, Lewis will fall to Supporting, Leo gets best actor nod for Gangs and Hanks gets a Support for Catch and Lead for Perdition (if that's allowed)...Just to have a storyline.

 

The 5 movies for Best picture?

 

Two Towers

Gangs of New York

Road to Perdition

Far from Heaven(something like that)

Chicago

[Guest dreamer420]

What about Cameron Diaz? Does anyone see her breaking out and getting an oscar nomination here? I would like to see it.

[Guest El Satanico]

No i don't ever see Cameron Diaz "breaking out". I see her always being a decent but not great actress.

 

I think Scorsese wins Best Director.

 

 

If Peter Jackson is going to win an Oscar for LOTR it won't happen until the third film. So calm down you LOTR must win every award for each film supporters.

[Guest MDH257]

The double nod for Tom Hanks is possible. The rule is that actors aren't allowed to be nominated twice in the same catagory. So Dicaprio couldn't be nominated twice for Best Actor and take two of the five spots. I don't know why they have that rule for actors but not directors.

[Guest Vyce]

If Peter Jackson is going to win an Oscar for LOTR it won't happen until the third film. So calm down you LOTR must win every award for each film supporters.

I can't calm down.

 

Look at your own statement. "IF" Jackson wins. If LOTR wins.

 

Those are pretty big fucking ifs.

 

I HAVE to be rabid about LOTR winning awards, because I'm telling you right now - Two Towes will likely garner a shitload of nominations this year, like FOTR did last year....and Return of the King will likely get a boatload of nods too....

 

AND WIN NONE OF THEM.

 

Except for tech awards, and fuck those, they don't count in my book.

 

I don't know why I want LOTR to win an Oscar, because those awards have long ago degenerated into one big Hollywood circle jerk anyway, but I really feel that Jackson is creating an epic masterpiece that will be remembered for DECADES to come, but he's not going to be recognized for that achievement by the only awards that seem to really matter in the film industry.

 

I mean, your line of thinking is going to be the excuse this year. "Oh, they'll give the movie & Jackson the awards for the third film." But watch, ROTK will come out, and it'll get shafted too.

[Guest El Satanico]

I said if because we don't know if an amazing movie will be released the same year as the third LOTR that blows LOTR away.

 

But honestly there's nothing to bitch about unless one of the LOTR films loses to a completely inferior movie that doesn't deserve an Oscar at all.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Indeed. If Gangs of New York lives up to its potential then I would see no reason for it not to take the nod over Two Towers. I love LOTR but Scorcese is on a different level. He is arguably the greatest director of the last twenty-five years and he's never received a Best Film or to my recollection Best Director Oscar. LOTR does deserve awards, but Gangs is hardly a saccharine rom-com made by a journeyman stealing awards. Its the cinematic dream of Martin freaking Scorcese. Its got Day Lewis back acting at his best again. Its got DiCaprio actually being allowed to become the great actor he was meant to be before Titanic fucked him up. Its got Liam Neeson, Cameron Diaz, John C Reilly....eeeeeeeuuuugggh, I think I'm looking forward to Gangs more than Two Towers now. I hope both rock.

[Guest Ravenbomb]

even if Gangs isn't all that good, I think the acadamy will give Scorsese Best Director on the off chance he doesn't make anymore movies just so he can get the award.

 

And he directed Ra- no.... Last Te-no....We- FUCK! A Scorsese movie hasn't won Best Picture, either!

[Guest MDH257]

Scorsese is going to have the Miramax Oscar Machine behind him and people are going to want to vote for him (since he's never won Best Director). If the movie can live up to half of the hype, he's got a real chance at winning.

[Guest NoCalMike]

For some reason I think Gangs of New York will not be a HUGE box office hit. It will make the initial amount of "new movie" money but then it will taper off. I think this movie will be awesome for OBVIOUS reasons, but I think most americans due to Sopranos and Goodfellas and Casino etc...already have it INGRAINED into their brains about what a MAFIA MOVIE/TV SHOW is "supposed" to be, and when they see a setting in the 1800s and it isn't stereotypical italian characteratures, they will flock away and watch Soprano-DVD reruns to recooperate.....such a shame.....Oh well, MORE LEG ROOM FOR ME.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Jackson winning over Scorsese would rank as one of the bigger Oscar shams in history (up there with each time Scorsese didn't win for one of "The Trilogy"). At least no one will be talking up Episode 2 as an Oscar contender, and it can fight with LOTR over the "Best CGI" award.

[Guest imajackoff?]

Gangs of New York has that Titanic feeling to it as a big budget epic by a reknowned director that goes through LONG delays, but turns out to be well worth it. Im not predicting box office numbers the size of Titanic, but I think it will do extremely well.

[Guest Choken One]

It should be a big hit but nowhere near Titanic size, however, it will be Scorese's biggest box office draw (mainly due to Leo but in time the hype)

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

LOTR shouldn't win dick.

[Guest Dmann2000]

I watched Inside the Actors Studi last night cause Scorsese was the guest and they showed quite a few decent size clips from Gangs....man Friday can't come soon enough

 

And to those wondering what the best picture nominees will be......take it on good faith that, whether you like it or don't, My Big Fat Greek Wedding has a damn good chance at getting a picture nod (it has that Babe/Full Monty thing going for it) Oh and I predict right now that it WILL win Best Adapted Screenplay

[Guest Human Fly]

It's a good week for movies. LOTR on Wed. Gangs on Fri. I think Gangs of New York will be great. I'm expecting nothing but greatness from Daniel Day Lewis. As far as Oscars go I haven't read any reviews yet for Gangs, but I haven't seen one negative review for Two Towers yet. One of those two will win for sure.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Gangs of New York will get nominated.

[Guest C.H.U.D.]

I can't wait for Gangs of New York, it looks great. Btw, I already have my tickets for the Tuesday midnight show of The Two Towers. Oh yeah!

[Guest Lethargic]

I think Gangs looks retarded as hell. Everytime I see Daniel Day Lewis in that top hat and wearing that mustache it does nothing but make me giggle. He looks like he should be tying Cameron Diaz to some rail road tracks with that get up. There's nothing in the trailer that says anything good to me. It just looks like a bunch of angry Frankenstein mobs running around with sticks. And the fact that all the buzz around the movie has been bad from day one and the movie has been delayed and delayed and delayed doesn't make me feel any better about it. The funny thing about the latest release date shuffel is that they moved it AWAY from Catch Me If You Can to put it up against the friggin Lord of the Rings?? How is that better? Looks like it's being led to slaughter to me. Sure it'll look good Monday to be the number 2 movie but it'll probably be 2 million to LOTR's 300 billion. I certainly hope I'm wrong, I hope it's a lot better than the trailer. I wish it'd make 300 billion and Lord of the Rings would be the biggest flop in history, but that ain't gonna happen.

 

And I TOTALLY disagree with Leo helping. If anything it's a hindrence. A helluva lot more people hate him over Titanic than like him. The teenage girls that fell in love with him because of Titanic are gone. They've moved on. They love Justin Timberlake now. He hasn't exactly been the big attraction people thought he was since Titanic. Iron Mask did business because it came out directly after Titanic. But look at the Beach. 2 years later, nobody cared about him anymore. The hype had died down for the people that liked him, but the people that hated him for Titanic still hated him and it bombed. I had a friend see the trailer for Gangs for the first time this weekend. He was into it until the first time it showed DiCaprio and right there he declared that the movie would suck on nothing but the simple fact that he's in it.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

The fact that everybody's already climbing over each other to give Scorsese Academy Award after Academy Award before they've even seen the film is pretty damn ridiculous. Let's take a look at Scorsese's last couple of movies:

 

Kundun = meandering tribute to the Dalai Lama

 

Bringing Out The Dead = lethargic exercise in tedium masked as a disturbing portrait of good ol' "gritty New York"

 

I mean, Scorsese has helmed some amazing stuff before, but let's be realistic - Casino (Goodfellas v.2?) was seven years ago. All this hoopla surrounding Gangs of New York is frighteningly similar to the hype placed on Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut which, while being a good movie, didn't exactly rock the world (or the Oscars) like everybody necessarily thought.

 

I know that 2002 hasn't been a great year for flim, but just settle down. Let's just be sensible before handing the entire Oscar ceremony over to Scorsese.

[Guest Vyce]

Jackson winning over Scorsese would rank as one of the bigger Oscar shams in history (up there with each time Scorsese didn't win for one of "The Trilogy").

Oh it would not.

 

Just remember what these awards are MEANT to be about - giving a little gold statue for the director's achievements with the film in question. NOT giving it to the director because a billion years ago he directed good shit, and we still think of him fondly for that.

 

Now I'm not dissing Scorcese or anything, but if he doesn't do so great a job with Gangs, and Jackson (I fully believe) hits it out of the park with TTT, than it will NOT be a sham. I hate this bullshit of giving awards just because it's someone's "time". Take Denzel last year. Now I like Denzel, I think he's a fine actor, but really - who here thought that he deserved the Oscar over Russell Crowe? I absolutely believe they gave it to Washington because they felt he was owed it. So I would say it's a sham if Scorcese wins over Jackson if his work this year is inferior to Peter's (and I'm sure most of you will not feel that that is the case).

 

What do you want from us geeks? We FINALLY have a film (or series of films) that has the possibility of winning the big award. You can't dangle that carrot in front of us and not expect us to be disappointed when we don't get the payoff.

 

LOTR shouldn't win dick.

 

Quiet you.

 

I agree with you almost 100% of the time, don't ruin the illusion.

[Guest Lethargic]

Well if they give it to Jackson I certainly hope they're giving it to him for past works like Brain Dead or Heavenly Creatures instead of some faggy troll movie.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Ok here is a problem I have with LOTR "SEQUELS" winning. All the actors in it and the director, consider it ONE BIG MOVIE, rather than 3 movies. It was all filmed at once. So isn't it basically just a 6+ hour movie? So it is like judging 1/3 of LOTR against another movie each time. I dunno, maybe I am making too much of a deal about this and being stupid, hehehehe....

 

Oh and IMO Eyes Wide Shut was horribly UNDERRATED. The acting between Cruise/Kidman in the pot scene was just GENIOUS acting. It was extremely believable. I thought the movie was written off by the masses due to the whole ORGY scene, and everyone decided that the rest of the movie was not worth seeing.

[Guest SP-1]

First of all: Tolkein crafted the epic tale. Jackson is translating it to a visual and auditory medium. Don't forget that. Without the books, there's be no movies in the first place.

 

Now, LOTR was filmed together, it runs together in the end. But the studio and those involved decided to release it as three films to mirror that the books were split in three. Return of the King isn't sitting somewhere all finished up, just waiting. They split up post-production between the movies and they've been finishing the editing and F/X and other post work all this year. Two Towers is it's own movie, it's production ended this year. There's no reason for it to be judged in any other fashion. The technical aspects of the movie shouldn't be judged by how many other movies it's overall story encompasses.

 

If Jackson gets the Director's award for Two Towers, that'll sit fine with me. I'm sure it'll be a great movie, might even overtake others for me. If he doesn't, oh well. They're awards, based on what other men and the masses under the deluge of the pop culture scene tell them to, like. It'll still blow everything else out of the water as far as what it brings home monetarily, if it keeps it's faithfulness to the original work it'll blow everything else outta the water with it's story. At the end of the day, that's what people care about. The studio is happy because they've got a boatload of money, the audience is happy because Helm's Deep was f'ing greatness, and the geeks are happy because we got to see the second part of a wonderful tale brought to life.

[Guest C.H.U.D.]

I think Gangs looks retarded as hell.  

Yeah, ok. You call me when the shuttle lands.

[Guest C.H.U.D.]

Bringing Out The Dead = lethargic exercise in tedium masked as a disturbing portrait of good ol' "gritty New York"

Neh. Bringing out the Dead was one of the best movies of that year.