angle's treatment at armageddon

[Guest godthedog]

till tonight i've been in denial, continually thinking that someday soon vince would make angle a true main event player, on par with the likes of triple h, the undertaker & the rock. it seemed such obvious thing to do, since he has everything the company needs and is the most complete wrestler that they have. he busts his ass every night, has some of the best mic skills on the roster, is one of the three best in-ring talents in their employment and the only one of the three to still be improving, is looked up to by the other guys in the locker room, and on and on...

 

i haven't realized how truly stupid vince is until today, when he decided that kurt angle needed brock's help to beat the big show. angle's now won the title 3 times, twice as a face, and hasn't won it cleanly once. what logical reason is there that brock lesnar gets his big clean main event win over the rock, and angle can't even beat the big show without brock's help?

 

it's pretty obvious that they're building to angle/brock at wrestlemania, and from the way angle went over tonight it's obvious who vince wants to carry his company. brock will be the flagship champion, & angle will forever be the plucky upper midcarder, getting a fluke title win from time to time but never getting to hang with the big boys. if vince can't have enough faith or logical sense to put him over a big show, there's no way he'll ever have enough to put him over a rocky, or an undertaker, or a triple h, or an austin.

 

big show, probably the least deserving wwf champion since yoko (excluding vince), is not over, and he is not a legitimate threat in the wwf. he never has been, and he never will be. and kurt angle can't even beat him on his own.

 

yes, he has the title, but it means absolutely nothing. he's a lame duck champion, keeping the belt warm till brock takes it at wrestlemania.

 

i don't really know what the point of all this flowery rhetorical shit is, but i was pissed off and i needed to vent. i couldn't let myself be glad that angle won the title, cause he managed to look worse winning the title with interference than he would've looked losing the title for interference. so screw vince & his arrogant stupidity.

[Guest treble charged]

I loved the ending of the match, since it leads straight into a Lesnar/Angle feud for WrestleMania. Lesnar can say that Angle is only champ because of his help, and Angle can say that he hung with the Big Show w/o any help until the end, even with Heyman and Albert interferring. Sure, a clean win would have been nice, but I'll take this one, no problems.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Angle needs to pack on some pounds, it's not believable for him to beat Brock or Paul Wight.

Oh, fuck, another gimmick poster.

 

Or Bps has lost it and registered a new account.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I don't care HOW he got it...Angle got it.

 

And Big Show can go fuck a monkey!

 

...wait, that'd be an insult to the monkey!

[Guest Dr. Wrestlingphysics]

A gimmick poster is one thing, but octuple posts....FUCK OFF!

[Guest Dr. Wrestlingphysics]

Errm... double posts due to a bollocksed board are ok though !

[Guest DeputyHawk]

this thread is ... oh wait, gimmick infringement!

[Guest RedJed]

Like I just said in another post, he didn't need Lesnar's help to win, he already had Show tapping to the anklelock prior to that.

 

And *gasp* the reason they did the Lesnar run in was because 1) The fans demanded it, did you hear them? 2) Builds up a beginning story between Angle and Lesnar in that Lesnar will probably claim exactly what people have said here, but Angle will state he didn't need his help, as he was already having his way with Show and had him tapping before Lesnar even ran in.

 

Don't worry, they still think highly of Angle, shit, they gave him the belt when logically it shouldn't have happened if he's going to be out of action for the next 4-5 weeks. That's normally unheard of. Compared to about most of the roster, he was one of the most protected guys in the company this whole year and still is.

[Guest NoCalMike]

I was discussing this issue at the sportsbar today during Armageddon and we came to the agreement that we all wouldn't be suprised if Angle/Lesnar was happening at Royal Rumble because Vince has "bigger" plans for WM, like Goldberg/Austin/Rock etc.....of course to most of us here it is pathetic "bigger" plans, but to Vince and co. Goldberg is what he wants, and he wants him now.

[Guest BoboBrazil]

http://www.wwe.com/images/splash/1199395

 

This picture explains everything. 3/4th of it is HHH holding his belt and Angle gets a small block where you can't even see him holding the belt unless you look closely.

[Guest creativename]

I also agree that Angle will come off looking much worse than Brock after all of this.

 

Angle would have been made if he won the Rumble, then beat Brock clean as a babyface at Mania. It sounds crazy to think that a multi-time world champion who's already pretty much a legend, as well as one of the best workers in history, has to beat a rookie at Wrestlemania to get made...but that's the way WWE works I guess. Brock is a lot more credible than Angle right now, and his inevitable win over Angle will only reinforce that. I really, really din't want Angle to win this match.

 

WWE reduced me to rooting for the f*cking Big Show tonight. How unreal is that???

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Jesus tapdancing Christ...how is it that Angle should be any different than other main eventers just because someone helped him win the title?

 

Let's look back now, shall we?

 

Savage: Won first WWF Title with Hogan's help

Hogan: Won fifth WWF Title because Fuji put salt in Yoko's eyes by accident

Hart: Won WWF Title second time because, to me, it looked like Piper fast-counted.

Austin: First WWF title won was by a fast count by Mike Tyson

Mankind: First WWF Title win? Austin helps him out.

Rock: One of his 7 WWF/E Title wins was due to Austin helping him.

 

See? Big names can be faces and get help, yet be credible. So why should Angle be put in a different boat?

[Guest drunkenscarredangel]

So, what now that Angle actually HAS the gold? I don't know but with the run ins in that match, I'm getting worried, at the very least Big Slow will POSSIBLY get a rematch, but seeing as Albert, A Train, whatever was involved too....

 

Why am I suddenly seeing Angle vs A Train? If Angle remains face-ish, then thats a scary possibility....

 

Hopefully this is a blind moment of panic, they'll probably have some sort of mix with Angle/Benoit/Eddie or something like that, but I'm expecting so little from the WWE right now, that right now, nothing is going to surprise me.

[Guest BA_Baracus]

Oh who cares.

 

He's got the title...that's a hell of a lot better than jobbing to Rey Mysterio and Edge in the mid-card.

 

All matches in the WWE are filled with interference. HHH needed Flair's help to beat Shawn, and HHH is God. Clean world title matches just don't happen anymore...

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Uhm, they're doing this not because they think Angle needs Lesnar's help, more the other way around.

[Guest jester]

Why am I suddenly seeing Angle vs A Train? If Angle remains face-ish, then thats a scary possibility....

At least now they have a champion who can carry most people to decent matches.

 

I wonder if the lack of crowd reaction has ended some ill-advised pushes for some people? Probably not.

[Guest nikowwf]

Angle has the title. He had a clean visionary fall on Big Show first (Show was tapping). It wasnt like he got killed, then Brock saved his ass and now hes champion. It was he was doing well, A-Train ran in an killed him, then Brock ran in and killed Show.

 

It gets us Benoit vs. Angle at the next ppv and possibly february and Brock in the main event of mania.

 

Im not complaining about this.

 

niko

[Guest saturnmark4life]

As long as show was tapping, i don't have any complaints about the finish, for reasons posted above.

[Guest nikowwf]

The thing I'd complain about is how the officials played it out...cause they mentioned BROCK and not Angle winning at the end, which annoyed me.

 

But the crowd said it all....did anyone else notice the YOU SUCK chants were noticablly less tonight?

 

niko

[Guest Repo Man jr]

http://www.wwe.com/images/splash/1199395

 

This picture explains everything. 3/4th of it is HHH holding his belt and Angle gets a small block where you can't even see him holding the belt unless you look closely.

Yeah It's only a small thing but they really should have The main picture with HHH and Angle 50 50 each. Why is Hunter/Raw title more important?

 

And not only that, they have a poll where instead of voting for your favourite match, you have to vote for the best fall out of HHH vs HBK 3!

[Guest notJames]

As much as it sucks that Angle had to have Lesnar's help to win, I think I can see where they're going with this.

 

Lesnar will demand his title shot. Angle, being the true heel that he is, will deny him. Benoit will challenge at RR. Lesnar will probably win the RR (however they plan on making the rules) for the title shot at WM. Thus, you get Lesnar as the face challenger and Angle is the heel champion, because really, Angle does his best work as a heel.

 

Sure, this makes Angle a transitional champ, but at least we have the makings of a real gem of a match if they allow them to take the kiddie gloves off and do a real mat exhibition. And I'd rather see him as the taunting, conniving, cocky heel champ than the plucky underdog challenger any day.

[Guest Brian]

They could have run Benoit/Angle post-Mania. Angle would be far more established, and Benoit would have benefitted from that.