Is _______ a Legend?

[Guest Goodear]

You know how some people like Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair are termed legendary by the fans and the promotions they have worked for in the past. Well I was thinking about it earlier today and was wondering if some other people (now that their careers are winbing down) should be considered legends or not. So, let's ask are the following people legends?

 

Curt Hennig

Lex Luger

Randy Savage

Ricky Steamboat

Sting

Vader

 

Any others people might be wondering about?

[Guest TheHulkster]

Curt Hennig- Nah, he had a nice run though

Luger: Nope

Savage: Ohhhhhhhhhhhh Yeah! (sorry, had to get that one out). He became a household name and had some great matches during his career.

Steamboat: Yeah. He's had some really great matches that fans still talk about today and he retired almost 10 years ago. Fans respect him and wrestlers steal his shit.

Sting: Tough one. He was really popular and charismatic, but he didn't really draw that much money and he wasn't really a great wrestler, so i'd say no.

Vader: Yeah. As far as big men go, he's the measuring stick.

[Guest bob_barron]

Savage, Sting and Steamer- Definetley.

Vader, Hennig and Luger- I don't think so

[Guest Bricks]

Vader's pretty much regarded as the best big man ever in wrestling so yeah, I'd say he's a legend.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

I think Piper should be, if he isn't considered so already.

[Guest BigPoppaKev]

Curt Hennig- Definately not. Had a good run but never really stood out from the bunch.

Lex Luger- No. Plain and simpl.e No.

Randy Savage- Yes. He changed the business. His mic skills were very good and he wasn't all that big and opened doors for smaller guys.

Ricky Steamboat- Definately. Revolutionized the inring aspect of wrestling with guys such as Flair, Pillman, Lyger, etc;. He was one of the first "small" guys to really stand out.

Sting- I don't know. Borderline. He was a big draw in WCW in the 90's but WCW wasn't huge when he was THE main draw. Was intrical in WCW though so I guess he is.

Vader- I think so because he is probably the best big man ever. He could work many different styles, he worked a brawling styles, a puro style, a UWF-I type style. Influenced many big men and I only could hope current big men like Albert could work half as good as The Man from the Rocky Mountains.

[Guest Ash Ketchum]

Curt Hennig-Close, but no cigar.

Lex Luger-Nope.

Randy Savage-You bet.

Ricky Steamboat-See above

Sting-I'd have to say yes with Sting. His career has had high-high points and the lowest of low points, but he still was able to draw fans, crowd, and my attention.

Vader- The greatest "hoss" of all time. Vader was awesome for such a big guy. Yes to him.

[Guest razazteca]

I would consider the Sting that had the blond spike hair a legend but the nWo era Sting as the mute clown sitting on the roof boring.

 

Savage is a legend was good in both WWF and WCW but will always be seen as a Hogan lacky but not to the extent of Ed Leslie levels.

[Guest dreamer420]

Curt Hennig: No.

Lex Luger: No

Randy Savage: Yes

Ricky Steamboat: Yes

Sting: Yes

Vader:Yes

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Savage, STeamboat, Sting, and probably Vader are the only ones from that list I'd consider legends.

 

I've always wondered if HBK can be considered a legend. Looking back at his career, outside of two years(94 and 97), he's really done NOTHING notable. Any thoughts/opinions on that?

[Guest Fook_Hing_Ho]

I've never considered HBK a legend. He never drew when he was on top and all his backstage antics leave a sour taste in my mouth.

[Guest WrestlingDeacon]

Curt Hennig: Dude was God for about two years, but he never recieved the type of sustained push at the top of the card that he needed to really solidfy himself in history.

 

Lex Luger-Dropped the ball more times that anybody ever. His few brief world title reigns meant nothing as they were basically transitional and he never got the huge win over Flair. His skills both in the ring and on the mic eroded year after year.

 

Randy Savage-If it wasn't for Hogan he would have been the guy to carry the WWF into the mainstream. He not only has Hogan-esque charisma, but he was more of a team player early in his career and had better ring skills. If you ask the random joe off the street to start naming off wrestlers Savage would be in the first five they would probably rattle off.

 

Ricky Steamboat-If it wasn't for his series with Flair and how Ric put him over then no. But Flair really let him showcase his work on a main event level and the matches they had cemented both of them as legends.

 

Sting-As opposed to Luger, the WCW dropped

the ball with Sting too often for him to be a legend. He was never booked right although he had all the charisma and athleticism in the world.

 

Vader-Overall yes, but I don't think that fans unaware of his Japanese and other wrestling work would consider him as such. His WWF run was aborted due to Shawn wanting Sid to have the belt and not him and in the WCW he was always playing second fiddle to Flair, Sting and Hogan.

[Guest dvkorn]

Hennig - No

Luger - No

Savage - Most Certainly

Steamboat - Yes

Sting - Yes

Vader - Yes

 

An interesting fact about savage that i read at another mesage board a while ago is that he held a World Title (WWF & WCW) on six occassions (2 WWF & 4 WCW) and has lost it to only 2 men, Flair and Hogan. Both were 3 times each. Lost 1 WWF and 2 WCW to each.

 

Pretty weird, if you ask me!

[Guest dreamer420]

I've never considered HBK a legend. He never drew when he was on top and all his backstage antics leave a sour taste in my mouth.

For his number of terrific matches he is a legend but his backstage antics and dishonesty he is always be a douche bag to me.

[Guest razazteca]

anybody willing to do a Gordy List to argue their opinion?

[Guest dreamer420]

gordy list?

[Guest razazteca]

a week ago or so a person put up a list argueing why HBK is not a draw, that person used said list of questions in a no biased manner.

 

I think it came from wrestling classics

[Guest saturnmark4life]

if shawn was a true legend, he would currently be drawing, and he would have been a draw to start with. Sting and vader should be but aren't, through the fault of others.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

Perfect is a great wrestler, but not legend.

Luger, if politics ever killed a career he is the man that it happenend to. So on that note, no.

Savage, ooooooohhh yeah, diggit.

Steamboat, you have any doubt? hell yeah. He is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. hell, he carried Flair in one of those 80's classics(3/18/89).

Sting, well, two names come to you when you think of WCW. Sting and Flair, so on that account alone, yes.

Vader-One of the best big men of all time. So yes.

[Paul Stanley]

Curt Hennig - Sadly, No.

Lex Luger - 88-92 Yes.

Randy Savage - Yes.

Ricky Steamboat - Yes.

Sting - Yes. And whatever punk said Sting couldn't wrestle good watch some history not just his 2000 bullshit run

Vader - Yes, one of the greatest gaijins ever

 

[Guest dreamer420]

if shawn was a true legend, he would currently be drawing, and he would have been a draw to start with. Sting and vader should be but aren't, through the fault of others.

I think a "legend" should be judged by their match quality, not if they "draw" people.

[Paul Stanley]

HBK's match quality in reality, wasn't that great..he had CHARISMA~! and the look..that's about it, Bulldog wrestled circles around HBK in 96

[Guest Tim Cooke]

Legend is subjective.

 

What is the definition of legend? Someone who won a World Title? Someone who main evented a lot?

 

Hennig

- No way

Luger

- No way

Savage

- Nope, Hogan carried any "Draw" he had.

Steamboat

- Debatable. I say no but would be interested in hearing some "Yes"

Sting

- Debatable. I say yes but would be interested in hearing some "no's"

Vader

- Yes, easily. Best big man ever. Brought Sting, Inoki to their best matches. Worked credible worked shoots vs. Takada in UWF-I.

 

Tim

[Guest CED Ordonez]

Curt Hennig - Good run, but not legendary.

 

Lex Luger - Legendary...only for the number of failed singles pushes, so no go.

 

Randy Savage - Charismatic and a solid worker. A bit difficult to push him to legendary, but I'll let him pass.

 

Ricky Steamboat - Great technical merits and another solid worker despite never receiving his big push. A bit forgotten amongst newer fans, but his classic matches still hold up to today's standards. Tough call. Thumbs ever so slightly down in favor of "not a legend".

 

Sting - Tough, tough call. Aside from Flair, he was the name in WCW, so I guess he can pass.

 

Vader - Yes, he was what every big man should be: versatile. And if you can't consider him legendary Stateside, go to Japan where he's one of the greatest gaijin wrestlers ever.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

I think Piper should be, if he isn't considered so already.

Amen to that, brother.

 

Also, i still believe Bret Hart isn't talked bout enough when they speak of legends. Sure he gets the verbal blowjob everytime the Sharpshooter comes into play (even though Sting was using it long before him), i think Bret's work goes very much un-appreciated, or maybe un-known, to today's fans...

 

Or whats left of them

 

Illusion

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Steamer-Yes. One of the most beloved wrestlers not name Hulk in the WWF's heyday, as well as being supremely over in NWA/WCW. His in-ring work at the time was absolutely phenomenal, and anyone who watched wrestling back then knows exactly who Ricky Steamboat is.

 

Savage-I'll say yes although I can understand someone saying no. Never the best worker by any means, but always solid in his pre-WCW days. Past that, look out below.

 

Vader-Absolutely, for reasons that have been stated already.

 

Lex-Sucks and always sucked in my book. Made watchable by guys like Steamer and Flair.

 

Hennig-Had a few great years, and I love watching his stuff from the early 90s, but by no means a legend in my book.

 

Sting-Nope. I can count on one hand the number of his singles matches I really liked, and as far as a name draw he was iffy. Not to mention his knack for getting injured all the time and never having a blow-away feud with anyone other than Vader.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

if shawn was a true legend, he would currently be drawing, and he would have been a draw to start with. Sting and vader should be but aren't, through the fault of others.

I think a "legend" should be judged by their match quality, not if they "draw" people.

well yeah, but i'm not convinced on that side of things either. He's had some great matches, sure. But he just doesn't have the aura about him that someone like Hogan or Flair does. Hogan is an example that match quality isn't all that's important as well. I think perhaps without the back injury Shawn could have been a true legend. I'll never consider hhh a legend but if he hadn't had the injury he might have been. I don't think he'd reached his full potential before the injury. didn't like him though, natch.

[Guest Dillon Likes Bossman]

Piper is a legend in my eyes. He just has tha aura to him. Vader is a legend IMO as well. Sting had everything needed to be a legend, but it never came to be witch is a shame. As for HBK....I hate him

[Guest dreamer420]

Piper is a legend in my eyes. He just has tha aura to him. Vader is a legend IMO as well. Sting had everything needed to be a legend, but it never came to be witch is a shame. As for HBK....I hate him

Piper is a legend on the mic but he hasn't had too many good matches that I can think of, with the exception of the Bret Hart match at Wrestlemania 8 where he was carried to a **** match.

 

Bret Hart on the other hand is greatest living legend in my books. I place him just above Flair in my legend book.

[Guest Ravenbomb]

is Jake Roberts a legend? I'd say yes, anybody say no?