Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted December 16, 2002 Last week all these Hollywood Liberals held a press conference announcing a petition their sending to President Bush about how their against War with Iraq. These people can speak out if they choose, but why are they so out of touch with main stream thinking. From what I've seen celebrities think they know more than the average person, and the John and Jane Doe are dumb and can't think for themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kkktookmybabyaway Report post Posted December 16, 2002 Ok, and...? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted December 16, 2002 Hmm, I wonder if anyone can be against this war and still be labeled conservative in any way, because surely there's at least ONE Republican officeholder in this country somewhere who disagrees with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted December 17, 2002 Didn't Sean Penn just go to Iraq, ostensibly to make sure the weapons inspectors were doing their jobs? Obviously, he's an expert on searching for WMD in hostile foreign countries, so it's a good thing a man of his expertise was available on such short notice... The thing that sucks is that if that idiot gets his stupid ass kidnapped over there, we're going to have to try and get him back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted December 17, 2002 Dr Tom- I thought I heard Penn was going to here to see how the Iraqui people live or something Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted December 17, 2002 I thought this was a thread about Hollywood wanting to become its own city. *points at himself* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted December 17, 2002 Hmm, I wonder if anyone can be against this war and still be labeled conservative in any way, because surely there's at least ONE Republican officeholder in this country somewhere who disagrees with it. What the hell does that have to with this thread? I asked why are the Liberals in Hollywood so out of touch with the rest of the country? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Olympic Slam Report post Posted December 17, 2002 These Hollywood types are in a world of their own. No matter what the issue they (Alec Baldwin, Martin Sheen and the rest of the Hollywood hog wash.) almost always side with the most anti-American stance possible. As we speak Danny Glover is in Cuba praising Castro and Shawn Penn is siding with Iraq. I find it amazing that these people who have been given so much from America for doing so little, are so quick to spread hate against it. Whenever one of these C level actors starts to act like they're some kind of expert on foreign policy and the Middle East I just roll my eyes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted December 17, 2002 I think the war with Iraq is a lot more SPLIT with the american people than you conservatives think. Remember, it is all fun and games before the war and casulties start, but you have to know for a FACT that once bodybags start coming home and more sons start getting shipped over, the opinions of MANY americans will change about the war. See my main problem with Bush's "war agenda" is that it is not clear and/or decisive describing what he wants to do. He uses the word "terrorism" as a blanket statement against any country he seems to choose to want to invade and go to war with. If he wants to disarm Saddam, then go over there and KILL HIM, but why do we need to start dropping bombs on baghdad? Oh and I do agree that a lot of hollywood types can go overboard with all these stunts like going to IRaq for whatever reason they do, but at the same time, just because they act in moves for a living, doesn't mean that their opinions and/or voice in matters should count any less than a politician. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted December 17, 2002 Hmm, I wonder if anyone can be against this war and still be labeled conservative in any way, because surely there's at least ONE Republican officeholder in this country somewhere who disagrees with it. What the hell does that have to with this thread? I asked why are the Liberals in Hollywood so out of touch with the rest of the country? What's wrong with people going against what the populus wants? I mean I'm for the war on Iraq but I have no problem with Hollywood actors trying to use their influence to show that their against it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JangoFett4Hire Report post Posted December 17, 2002 Sean Penn was in Baghdad this past weekend speaking out against potential American attacks on Iraq. Theorhetically speaking, if the UN were to search the hotel where Penn stayed and found copies of Penn flicks such as "She's so Lovely" "U Turn" and "I Am Sam" could they classify those bombs as weapons of mass destruction? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Incandenza Report post Posted December 17, 2002 Why not use your high profile to show your support/disapproval for ______? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted December 17, 2002 ______- Eh he's okay. I'm not a big fan of his views on the economy but I like his personality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted December 17, 2002 It annoys me that WE the general public automaticlly assumes that these Celebs aren't allowed to have an opinion. What's the difference between Martin Sheen voicing his opinion and All the fatcats on MSnbc, CNN, Fox? Why can't they have a say? If they know their shit...then I'll give them a moment to listen to...I may or may not agree though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted December 17, 2002 I agree with Choken One on this, how is Sean Penn any different than Bill O'Reilly giving his opinion on FOX News Net. Like it or not the celebrities have Freedom of Speech even though it is against current politacal policies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted December 17, 2002 It annoys me that WE the general public automaticlly assumes that these Celebs aren't allowed to have an opinion. What's the difference between Martin Sheen voicing his opinion and All the fatcats on MSnbc, CNN, Fox? Why can't they have a say? If they know their shit...then I'll give them a moment to listen to...I may or may not agree though. They can have their opinions. That was never the point of this thread. NoCalMike polls have shown 60% support action against Iraq. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted December 17, 2002 And what he's sayig is that once war starts, especially the more it's drawn out, the more public opinion is going to sway. Lots of people like to talk the talk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slapnuts00 Report post Posted December 18, 2002 It annoys me that WE the general public automaticlly assumes that these Celebs aren't allowed to have an opinion. What's the difference between Martin Sheen voicing his opinion and All the fatcats on MSnbc, CNN, Fox? Why can't they have a say? If they know their shit...then I'll give them a moment to listen to...I may or may not agree though. They can express their opinions and are. And we're using OUR rights to speak out against THEM. It works both ways. Oh and there is a difference between some liberal actor and a journalist on a news network. One spends all their time researching and reporting information while the other opts to make petitions and start demonstrations. It's ridiculous, there were some actors on O'reily a while ago and they were trying to make their argument against going to war with Iraq and they were talking out of both sides of their mouth. "We don't need a draft!" um, there won't be a draft, we already have enough highly trained enlisted to do the job. "Um, but there will still be US soldiers killed!" They know what they're getting into, and are better prepared than you think, most will be done by air or special ops. "But what about the poor Iraqis that will die, how dare we!" Well, I'm sorry that we're trying to remove a dictator who uses their aid to build palaces, gasses his own people and has his relatives executed. It's like they don't have A reason to oppose US action, just ANY reason. I don't understand their type... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted December 18, 2002 Well today Rumsfield basically spelled it out that this war will not be like the persian gulf war at all. Tactics will be different, the length of war will be different. He said in 1991, troops surrendered within 6-8 months, and this time it is unlikely that will happen. So basically this war is gonna be completely different from the other war with Iraq. Just wait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ozymandias Report post Posted December 18, 2002 main stream thinking. That's an oxymoron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted December 18, 2002 main stream thinking. That's an oxymoron. Why? Because they don't agree with your liberal policies? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted December 18, 2002 Despite what your flawed "polls" say, I can count on one hand the amount of people I've met in "real life" who support the war on Iraq. It's the same principle as such "polls". Most of the people I associate with (e.g. the "random base" of a poll) will have similar views/interests/etc, as I, thus giving me an inaccurate view of the rest of the world. PS: Stop using liberal like its a dirty word. Replace it with "Communist" and turn back the clock and you could be Joseph McCarthy EDIT: Christ, what a pointless post. I meant to conclude with something along the lines of, "and thus there is no such thing as a 'mainstream opinion', and even if there was, if anything, celebrities would be in support of it due to the fickle nature of the populace such that they couldn't support an actor/actress if they said something 'terrible' like taking an anti-war stance". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted December 18, 2002 the majority of people I know would NOT MIND AT ALL if we went over there on a SOLE mission to take out Saddam and get rid of him and help set up a new government system over there, however, most I talk to in my age group either don't know enough about it to even have a conversation about it. As far as my age range and up(21+). I'd say there is a very MINIMAL amount of people that support unconditional war, or a war that has not been mapped out at all for the american people. There are a few people I know, who have expressed to me the ol' "Bush is great and we should be going to war because of 9/11" etc....these people quite frankly cannot be reasoned with at all, so I usually make the conversation SHORT. I have the benefit of working with a few members of this board, (Dangerous A, Sola Gratia(smarktalk board), CED ORdones) and they are in my age range and are not shy to talk about whatever issue I happen to bring up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted December 18, 2002 the problem with most polls conducted by WHATEVER system is, you have to look at the number of voters. 10,000 voters don't represent jack shit in the big picture. I remember conservatives denying Clinton's popularity polls daily during his presidency, yet they will be the first in line to talk about the fabrication of Bush's "70%" approval rating. The FACT is, this country is approx 50/50 on most issues. Occasionally something like abortion will slip in there to tip the scales, but in general the country is 50/50 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ozymandias Report post Posted December 18, 2002 main stream thinking. That's an oxymoron. Why? Because they don't agree with your liberal policies? Because most people are fucking idiots, unfortunately. If you don't realize this then you may be one of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest McLeary Report post Posted December 19, 2002 Hooray for the Eric S. school of liberal thinking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
