Does HHH have it in him?

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Ok it's no secret by now that HHH sucks in the ring. And he sucks outside the ring. And he sucks in interviews. And he sucks at being a heel. And he sucks at being a face. The list goes on!

But you know in 2000 he was great. He could work a good match(he wasn't this great god like miracle worker but he could hold his own). He was a great heel. And his interviews weren't as bad.

So does anybody think Crips has it in him to ever be good again? Or do you think his ego has gotten so out of control that he'll never be able to rise above that hump again?

[Guest blachuuh_monkey]

I serious doubt that HHH will ever be a consistently good in ring performer again but he could posssibly become a good character again. I don't understand how he became so boring in interviews just because he hurt his leg. He has lost all of the intensity that he use to show in his interviews which is the main reason they seem so long and boring now. I personally don't think either will happen but if he gets that fire back and got booked correctly he could become an enjoyable character again.

[Guest dreamer420]

I still think he is a great performer. There is too much internet backlash against the guy these days and no reporters have the balls to fairly review any of his matches anymore IMO.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

It seems to me in his interviews he's trying to mix DX HHH with My Time HHH. And we get The Lame.

And that just doesn't work. He tries to act funny and then he'll get all serious. It ends up coming across bad though because he's not funny anymore.

"Hey Jericho. Remember when I beat you!? HAHAHA! *tells stupid joke*"

*jericho responds with something insanely witty*

"Why you little bastard! Get down here so I can kick your ass! I'm THE GAME! ARRRRGHHH!"

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

"I still think he is a great performer. There is too much internet backlash against the guy these days and no reporters have the balls to fairly review any of his matches anymore IMO."

 

Umm.....if he has a good match people give the devil his due. Anyone remember people praising Summerslam and the end of Survivor Series? Hey wait that's the problem. He only works hard against his friends. Otherwise he just half-asses it.

And he does have bad matches. When I watch with a room full of marks(which I do at every ppv) and they all start reading comic books when his matches come on then you know you have a problem.

[Guest blachuuh_monkey]

You hit the nail on the head Damaramu

[Guest dreamer420]

"I still think he is a great performer. There is too much internet backlash against the guy these days and no reporters have the balls to fairly review any of his matches anymore IMO."

 

Umm.....if he has a good match people give the devil his due. Anyone remember people praising Summerslam and the end of Survivor Series? Hey wait that's the problem. He only works hard against his friends. Otherwise he just half-asses it.

And he does have bad matches. When I watch with a room full of marks(which I do at every ppv) and they all start reading comic books when his matches come on then you know you have a problem.

You are wrong there dude. These days people hate the guy so much that they refuse to give him a chance.

[Guest EternallyLazy]

I think the HHH of 2000 is over rated. I never found the guy to be so "amazing." His moveset was limited and even his interviews were lame, he just looked good in them because he was interracting with guys like the Rock and Foley.

 

But anyway, he's worse now than then of course, and I doubt he'll ever be the same... but of course, I said the same about Austin in 98/99 and he ended up having the best series of matches in 01 of any wrestler since Flair in '89

[Guest CanadianChick]

I don't hate the man as much as most people here do, but I don't think that HHH is a great performer. He isn't Big Show level of mad wrestlilng, but I find him boring in the ring to tell the truth. And that has nothing to do with his backstage crap.

[Guest blachuuh_monkey]

"But anyway, he's worse now than then of course, and I doubt he'll ever be the same... but of course, I said the same about Austin in 98/99 and he ended up having the best series of matches in 01 of any wrestler since Flair in '89"

 

1. HHH was nor ever will be as good as Austin.

2. You must have not gotten the honor of seeing Chris Benoit in 1994.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

"You are wrong there dude. These days people hate the guy so much that they refuse to give him a chance."

 

Who? People on this board? Every reviewer I've seen gives him his due when he has a good match. Hell Dave Meltzer, who seemed to absolutely hate HHH in late 2000-2001, commends him on a job well done with HBK.

[Guest blachuuh_monkey]

Reviewers I always read will give someone credit for a good match regardless of who is in it. A good match is a good match they just might bash the guy for the hell of it while saying so.

[Guest EternallyLazy]

"But anyway, he's worse now than then of course, and I doubt he'll ever be the same... but of course, I said the same about Austin in 98/99 and he ended up having the best series of matches in 01 of any wrestler since Flair in '89"

 

1. HHH was nor ever will be as good as Austin.

2. You must have not gotten the honor of seeing Chris Benoit in 1994.

I have seen the Benoit of 94 and what I meant is Austin had the best series of match for a guy past his prime since Flair.

[Guest blachuuh_monkey]

I have seen the Benoit of 94 and what I meant is Austin had the best series of match for a guy past his prime since Flair.

 

Point taken. Although I personally think that 89 was the end of Flair's prime rather than past it as he had the longest prime of any wrestler I've ever seen. Basically a decade.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

The first thing that HHH has to do to be remotely good is to lose about 20-50 pounds of excess muscle to get some mobility about him.

 

Next, he needs to go to promo school. Maybe Flair could teach him a thing or two there.

 

Finally, he needs to learn more wrestling moves. Maybe send him to the Dungeon...if that's still operating. >=)

[Guest bob_barron]

Dreamer-

 

Care to name these good matches HHH had that were unfairly bashed due to HHHate?

[Guest razazteca]

let's look at the wrestlers HHH has defended his title against lately:

 

1. vs HBK well its his friend, and both put up a good effort with Shawn bumping as usual and HHH working hurt but the matches tend to end up slow pace which the haters jump on quickly.

 

2. vs Steiner this match up looks like it will be the same as the series against HBK but with power moves and no-selling by Steiner, no good can come from this unless, a Roid Rage brawl starts. Will most likely be slow pace match, if you thought the matches of Steiner vs Booker T were slow better start worrying now.

 

Truth is that outside of Austin, Rock or Jericho matches HHH will dissappoint most. The matches on Raw are just crap while the PPV matches are average rehashes of gimmicks that worked for him in the past.

[Guest crandamaniac]

I seriously think he does have it in him to be a good performer, but the sad thing is he just seems content to just coast on his name and position alone. He's shown that he can pull out a good match when he's motivated (HBK @ Summerslam) but alas, he really has no motivation right now.

[Guest godthedog]

Point taken. Although I personally think that 89 was the end of Flair's prime rather than past it as he had the longest prime of any wrestler I've ever seen. Basically a decade.

you'd still have to account for the 92 rumble, the feud with savage & the iron man match with bret hart.

 

trips will never be as good as he seemed before, because he was never really that great. at heart, he's always been an above-average worker who works hard. in 2000 he saw his chance to be the next ric flair, & through sheer will power and work ethic he upped his game above what it naturally is. he wasn't better than everybody else in 2000, he just worked harder and had more opportunities to shine. even before the injury the man was hurt all the time, he just refused to cave into his body. the key to triple h's success for that year and a half wasn't his talent, it was his motivation. he studied, bumped & worked his ass off (a street fight, a hell in a cell, an iron man match & a last man standing match all in only seven months, which from where i stand is unheard of), and he just kept going & going till he couldn't go anymore, and as a result he has this aura about him.

 

now that the aura's already created, trips doesn't have anything left to prove. he "proved" he was the best in 2000-2001, now he apparently feels that he can just be the best without having to keep proving it.

 

in addition, his body's breaking down faster & harder than it was 2 years ago. he wrestles at half-speed & takes half the bumps now, and he's still hurt all the time. he'd already pushed his body beyond its physical limits when he was proving himself, he would have to work twice as hard & fight through twice as much pain as he did then to get the same match quality, and i don't believe that's humanly possible. cause, say what you will about the man personally, but he fucking busted his ass those 17 months.

 

so, no. he'll never be as good as he was, because he'll never have the mental or physical requirements for it again.

[Guest godthedog]

Dreamer-

 

Care to name these good matches HHH had that were unfairly bashed due to HHHate?

i thought his 2 ppv's with jericho (wrestlemania and...whichever one hell in a cell was at) were very good, actually. particularly at hell in a cell, he was about a hair away from being his old self. aside from his timing being a little off, he was on it that night.

[Guest caboose]

At The moment, Triple H has no reason to perform. Triple H seems to do the opposite of Austin and The Rock, whereby when the focus was on them, they upped their game even more. Triple H however seems to be resting on his laurels, living off his past and Steph.

If Steph and him broke up, the fire lit under Hunter's ass would make him care, his spot would be under threat and he would have to make the effort. Whether his injury has ended his consistent ***+ days is unknown. But until the day comes when he has to perform comes, we'll just have to sit through his crap.

[Guest razazteca]

HHH is the nWo Sting, he was good but now he only works hard when he feels like it + the competion is not as good as once was.

[Guest bob_barron]

Dreamer-

 

Care to name these good matches HHH had that were unfairly bashed due to HHHate?

i thought his 2 ppv's with jericho (wrestlemania and...whichever one hell in a cell was at) were very good, actually. particularly at hell in a cell, he was about a hair away from being his old self. aside from his timing being a little off, he was on it that night.

Here's my list of good matches post quad-

 

v. Y2J X-7

v. Y2J HIAC

v. Rock pre-Summerslam

v. HBK Summerslam

v. RVD Unforgiven (I liked it)

Elimination chamber

[Guest caboose]

v. Y2J X-7

v. Y2J HIAC

v. Rock pre-Summerslam

v. HBK Summerslam

v. RVD Unforgiven (I liked it)

Elimination chamber

The RVD match I didn't like, and it was a train wreck in my opinion. But I can't argue with the rest of the list. But isn't it funny how all the matches involve wrestlers who are of high talent.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

I don't think he was much of a worker to begin with. Watching the "high end" matches from his "hot streak" I have wonder what I, and many others were thinking calling them great.

 

The only match he had that I would consider calling a MOTYC for that year was with Foley at the Royal Rumble 2000, and even that match isn't the "classic" many want it to be.

 

As for his interviews, back then the only realy difference was that he yelled a lot. Now, he's trying to be an "arrogant heel" and he's absolutely terrible in that role. He really needs to stop trying to be Flair, in that regard, because it's hurting his interviews a lot (which were never that great to begin with).

[Guest CanadianChick]

v. Y2J X-7

v. Y2J HIAC

v. Rock pre-Summerslam

v. HBK Summerslam

v. RVD Unforgiven (I liked it)

Elimination chamber

The RVD match I didn't like, and it was a train wreck in my opinion. But I can't argue with the rest of the list. But isn't it funny how all the matches involve wrestlers who are of high talent.

Well, duh. You need at least one good worker to have a good match. Did you expect him to have a great match with Kane? Not that I think that HHH is great (I find him quite boring) but its not his fault if his match with Kane blows because most people's matches with Kane blow.

[Guest godthedog]

all his 2000 streak matches also involved great workers. COINCIDENCE???

[Guest CanadianChick]

No. Good workers carried him and he knew his role in those matches. he bumped his ass off and worked hard.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Hard work does not equal great matches. He worked pretty hard in the elimination chamber match, at least from what I understand, and my opinion on that match wasn't too possitive.

 

He had a crap-fest with Benoit that could have been decent had HHH not tried to be all "look at my psychology" with the arm-leg crap that muddled the entire stinking thing.

 

He had a horrible encounter with Angle that was essentially a big ass bump by Trips and then a whole lot of punch-kick nothing.

 

He had a sleep-inducing outing with Austin that went about half an hour too long.

 

While it's questionable whether any of those three opponents he had were "great" workers, HHH failed to do something with any of them and no where did I see him "find a role for himself" that kept them from sucking any less.

 

So no, I don't think the "Luger in '89" excuse works there.

[Guest godthedog]

<<No. Good workers carried him and he knew his role in those matches. he bumped his ass off and worked hard.>>

 

actually, it looked to me in the 'last man standing' match like trips was setting the pace & jericho was following.

 

the rumble was pretty meticulously planned out, so credit can't go to either guy.

 

knowing foley, he's probably the one who did ring general honors at hell in a cell.

 

and...well, what do you know, that's all the great matches he had that year.