Guest The Hamburglar Report post Posted December 18, 2002 SMACKDOWN SPOILERS OK, this has gone far enough. I am sick and tired of all the people bleating on about Triple H blah blah blah, Stephanie blah blah blah and their EVIL spotlight-hogging ways. Not that those two aren't guilty of it, its just being done to death. No, I want to throw some light on the supposed Wrestling Saviour Paul Heyman who cares only for workers and good wrestling and not his own position at all. So let's recap. As a manager, Paul has: 1. Managed to be the very vocal mouthpiece for the hardest-pushed star since Angle. 2. Been a decisive influence in many of Brock's matches (Most notably the HIAC with Taker). 3. Upon transferring his allegiance to Big Show, Big Show immediately wins and Brock immediately loses. 4. And now, it is his alliance with Angle that has allowed Angle to win back the title. Now, am I alone in thinking that the fact that the decisive and pivotal factor in the main-event storylines for a three-month period at least is Paul fucking Heyman is quite frankly ridiculous? And more to the point, do you honestly think that he doesn't want that to be the case? Yeah, I'm sure Vince and Steph are constantly saying "No Paul, the wrestlers and their skills aren't enough. To be world champion you must have Paul Heyman at your services! Otherwise he'll distract you, as he is the best manager and wrestling mind ever!" Of course fucking not. Arguments can be made as to how managing Brock at first and then Show were helpful, but there is no way that Paul Heyman managing Kurt Angle is anything more than a strategy to keep Heyman the focus of the main event. Heyman is behind this, as well of course as the amazing booking of the SD 6 which he got to provide any closure to or indeed elevate any of them in the process. Bottom line is that Heyman is a problem right now, and as far as I can see he is a greater problem than HHH in that he is adversely affecting the show I like, Smackdown, rather than the show with the less good workers. If there was any logic at all, Brock should have kept the belt and phased Heyman out. Failing that, he should have beat Heyman to a pulp at Armageddon, ensuring Heyman never appears on-screen again, and then gone on to have a face-face feud with Angle culminating at Wrestlemania. And yet here Paul is, still in the main, still showing just how important he is. Tosser. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mad Dog Report post Posted December 18, 2002 It's a rehash of the same old same old. Used to be you couldn't be a real ME heel without a McMahon now it's Heyman. Also his booking weaknesses seem to be jumping to the forefront with the past month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted December 18, 2002 Ehh, if the end result is fine, I'm not going to complain too much right now. Sure, Heyman has pushed himself to the forefront but at least he's not wrestling and they do seem to be elevating guys. They should have just listened to Heyman in the first place though and none of this shit would have happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Repo Man jr Report post Posted December 18, 2002 HHH/Steph hog the spot light and put themselves over while boring me. Heyman does it and puts angles and talent over. Cus he knows what works and knows how to do it best himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DJ Jeff Report post Posted December 18, 2002 I've got no problem with Heyman whatsoever. He has alot of great ideas, and it was probably his idea to have Angle vs. Lesnar at Wrestlemania 19, which could be Match of the Year. All I know is that Heyman is a good booker. Hell, he should be writing for both RAW and Smackdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest geniusMoment Report post Posted December 18, 2002 Heyman has done nothing but add more fuel to the fire when it comes to the Brock vs. angle feud. He has made lesnar look like a huge star by going to these lengths to stop from even getting a shot. If you complain he always comes out on top, just wait till Wrestlemania because he will get whats coming to him, unlike Steph who always wins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted December 18, 2002 I'm more pissed that this storyline has Jerichoed Angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FeArHaVoC Report post Posted December 18, 2002 Angle has it Great compaired to what Jericho went through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted December 18, 2002 Yeah, Angle's not getting it hardly as bad as Jericho. Jericho was made to look totally inferior, and Angle will probably end up getting revenge on Heyman later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ram Report post Posted December 18, 2002 I don't really have a problem with Heyman in the main events. It's welcome, actually, for me. It's giving the main event a better image, in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2002 Hmm...you know, this has classic 80's-early 90's feel about it. Manager manages wrestler. Manager screws over wrestler he/she manages somehow. Wrestler leaves manager, becomes face. It worked with Mr. Perfect, Hercules, Greg "The Hammer" Valentine, Natural Disasters, for a short time Paul Orndorff...and probably a host of others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ram Report post Posted December 18, 2002 Heenan/Andre vs. Hogan Heyman/Angle (Not Show. Despite his current work, he still isn't the giant that Andre was) vs. Lesnar Now if at WrestleMania they come out on moving miniature rings... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2002 It looks like Heyman is building a stable....he called it his "family" could be "Dangerous Alliance Ver. 2" He should add Matt Hardy to it since he's helped out before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LatinoHeat Report post Posted December 19, 2002 Now if at WrestleMania they come out on moving miniature rings... why only at wm 3 and 6 did they do that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Caliban Report post Posted December 19, 2002 Heyman's actually getting people over. So I have no problem with it at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted December 19, 2002 It looks like Heyman is building a stable....he called it his "family" could be "Dangerous Alliance Ver. 2" He should add Matt Hardy to it since he's helped out before. add Albert & Rikishi and you have Fetish of Fear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest deadbeater Report post Posted December 19, 2002 Paul Heyman is functioning as Don King does--a guy who covers all the bases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jester Report post Posted December 19, 2002 I think it's a little early to start comparing Heyman to Stephanie. Yes, he's getting a lot of exposure, but even Big Show never went around cleaning up Heyman's dogshit. Of course, some may argue that this is the best possible use for Big Slow, but that's beside the point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Hamburglar Report post Posted December 19, 2002 Heyman. Is Not. A Wrestler. Yet he is the focus of the main event. As to that "clasic heel manager" stuff, bollocks to it. I want to see Angle and Brock feud on their own, I don't need Paul Heyman there to make me care. His constant screaming during his clients' matches is irritating and serves only to put the focus on himself. He does not give the main event a better image, he makes it look like you need to be managed by Paul Heyman to win the title. If he had stuck to managing Brock or Big Show it wouldn't have been so bad, but the man has managed the last three title holders. And he is responsible for the shitty booking on Smackdown. The whole lesbian thing is vintage crappy Heyman. The bottom line is that Heyman managing Angle and even being involved in the Angle-Lesnar feud is unacceptable and shifts the focus away from the two guys involved. The Otherarena is a great place for people who can actually see through heyman's bullshit. Its truly funny how he's been able to hoodwink so many people into thinking he's a wrestling genius. Sort of like Vince did, really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EternallyLazy Report post Posted December 19, 2002 I'm more pissed that this storyline has Jerichoed Angle. **RANT MODE ON** Oh God damn... Sault, with you it's "Push Angle at all costs regardless of what's best for business!" which is pathetic. I can see quite clearly that the only thing that will please you, is if the roles are reversed and Angle looks like a superhuman badass that is unstoppable (HHH?) and the moment it looks like Angle might be in danger, you will cry an ocean of tears because "all WWE wants to do is hold him down and make him look bad!" Give me a break! I love Angle almost as much as you do, but your obsession over him is really getting disturbing. I don't think WWE can do anything to make you happy. They put him with Benoit and you complain. He elevated new talent making them look like gold, and you complain. Why? Because Angle bumped his ass off for Edge making him look like a true player? Ever heard of a guy named Ric Flair? The guy is freakin' WWE champion right now and you complain... why? Because he's most likely a "transitional champion"? Guess what... all the fucking champions are transitional champions. It's professional wrestling. It's staged. When you win a title, you're going to lose it. It might be a few months, but you're going to lose it, so technically everyone is a transitional champion. You complain when Angle doesn't win cleanly because it makes him look weak... whatever. Angle is a sneakly heel... he's been that way since his debut. Sneaky heels are supposed to be dirty bastards. That's their job. The greatest wrestler of all time practiced the same methods and had fans come close to rioting on several occassions. Angle is a main eventer now... he's a top star. He's WWE champion. He'll be main eventing for a while. He's making new stars. He's putting on amazing matches. He's only been in the business a few years... Christ, do you ever just think "hey... maybe I should stop complaining so much, look on the bright side of things, and sit back and enjoy the show" ? **RANT MODE OFF** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted December 19, 2002 Angle has it Great compaired to what Jericho went through. It's starting Jericho: Pussy loser who can't do anything right has Angle, McMahon, and Booker literally win the match for him Angle: Pussy loser who can't do anything right has Brock literally win the match for him Jericho: Booked like a total moron. Angle: Booked like a total moron. Jericho: Becomes lakey bitch to Stephanie Angle: becomes Lackey bitch to Show and Heyman Jericho: Gets phased out of the HHH/Steph feud Angle: It's starting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted December 19, 2002 I love the whole Heyman thing. Ever since Big Show jumped, the world title picture has had--and looks like it will remain having--some continuity. It's fluid and moving, and though I'd rather not see Albert anywhere near the world title guys, there's lot of potential for movement in a bunch of directions. Plus, they ARE making Brock one huge fuggin' star out of this, and Angle has been making himself even more of a star over the past couple months with his amazing tag matches and the singles work spliced in between. Now he's the world champion, and by Wrestlemania, the guy who is already probably top face on Smackdown and probably will be even bigger will be set to face one of the biggest heels in the company. Sure, there are ways it could be done different, or better: Albert doesn't need to be around at all unless he's just gonna be bouncing around the midcard, and it'd be nice to see someone who's really, really worked hard like Matt Hardy or Eddy taking the insta-ride to the top that Brock and Big Show have gotten. But what's going on now is working great, and things are starting to stabilize. The cruiser division of course needs work, and the dumping of Matt Hardy to Velocity regular is abhorrent, but the Smackdown upper midcard and world title picture is finally getting a better dynamic. For a few months it was Brock as an unbeatable monster, fighting guys like Orton and Matt Hardy who we knew were just going to be jobbed out. Now the number of people involved is being limited, and threads are coming together to at least form some sort of role for most of that uppercard talent. I'm happy with what I see as pretty good writing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted December 19, 2002 I like how when we all disagree with Hamburgalar he comes on and says we're all wrong, that we've been hoodwinked! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted December 19, 2002 Plus, they ARE making Brock one huge fuggin' star out of this, Oh, goody. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted December 19, 2002 I'm shocked this face turn has worked out so well. I thought it'd kill Brock but the guy is just crazy over now and I'm starting to enjoy his in ring work. Since Heyman is a good promo man and will get his ass kicked when needed- I got no problem with him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EternallyLazy Report post Posted December 19, 2002 Plus, they ARE making Brock one huge fuggin' star out of this, Oh, goody. Yep, making new stars is a bad thing isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted December 19, 2002 Plus, they ARE making Brock one huge fuggin' star out of this, Oh, goody. Yep, making new stars is a bad thing isn't it? Brock has yet to impress me at all. And I can name five guys who should have been made before him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted December 19, 2002 But he's over which is what counts in the end. I've enjoyed his ring work recently- he got two good matches out of Taker and him F5ing Show never ceases to amaze me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EternallyLazy Report post Posted December 19, 2002 Plus, they ARE making Brock one huge fuggin' star out of this, Oh, goody. Yep, making new stars is a bad thing isn't it? Brock has yet to impress me at all. And I can name five guys who should have been made before him. Yes, Brock has yet to impress YOU, but when I watch Smackdown and see the fans going apeshit over him, then that makes me think that his push is justified. It's a business Sault, have you forgotten this aspect? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ram Report post Posted December 19, 2002 But he's over which is what counts in the end. Being over counts?! *sees RVD, Booker, etc.* ..Rigghhtt, bob. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
