Jushin Lyger vs CIMA

[Guest ConchairtoHead]

I just borrowed this match from a friend of mine, u might have heard of him, Kazaa?

It says "Jushin Lyger vs CIMA - Super J Cup"

Will this be a good match?

 

What other high flying matches do you recommend me getting?

[Guest Jubuki]

It's OK. Liger vs. Tiger Mask is a better match from the same tournament. How stupid is it that CIMA has done nothing on a bigger-than-indy scale since this match...

[Guest Special K]

I have a couple of Toryumon tapes, and Dragon Kid and CIMA really stand out as special to me. I like CIMA's in ring presence a lot. He seems intimidating but firy, and I LOVE the Iconoclasm.

 

Does anyone have any CIMA reccomendations?

[Guest BionicRedneck]

I was pretty disapointed with the match. It is alright. Nothing special.

 

Not only that but I can't see why it was felt that Lyger had to win another J Cup.

[Guest wolverine]

Because he wasn't going to participate if he didn't win. And without him, that thing wouldn't have drawn a dime realistically.

[Guest Black Tiger]

I wasn't very thrilled with some of the wrestlers in the tournament.

 

Lyger, CIMA, TM4, Sasuke, Curry Man, and Usuada were fine. But Kaz Hayashi, Shinya Makabe, Mens Teioh, and Onryo could have been replaced with a lot better workers from New Japan, and Toryumon.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Onryo was pretty cool, and I enjoyed Teioh's matches

[Guest Jubuki]

Teioh's match with Usuda rocked. His match with Liger was perfectly fine, too. He's been a better worker than Usuda since...well, since forever.

[Guest Black Tiger]

The impression I got was that Teioh was in there only because he was a big name with Michinoku Pro.

 

Jubuki: I disagree about Teioh being better than Usuda. Usuda vs. Teioh was about ***1/2. Teioh vs. Lyger was **1/2 at the most.

 

J-Cup 2000 was very good, but if Michinoku Pro removed Makabe, Onryo, Teioh, STG. Hayashi, and Hamada and replaced them with more Toryumon, New Japan, and BattlArts wrestlers it would have been even better.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

I don't really see your point about Teioh. Sure, there are better wrestlers out there, but for me his performance in BOTH matches were perfectly acceptable. He looked pretty good against Lyger.

 

 

J-Cup 2000 was very good, but if Michinoku Pro removed Makabe, Onryo, Teioh, STG. Hayashi, and Hamada and replaced them with more Toryumon, New Japan, and BattlArts wrestlers it would have been even better.

 

I agree, but you could say that about any tournament really. The J Cup 94 would have been better if you replaced say Gedo with Ultimo Dragon.

[Guest Jubuki]

Not necessarily. UD could still be Spot Fu Manchu in '94. He cleaned most of that up by '95, though the Ohtani match was a good example of UD nuttiness as he was coming into his prime.

 

And the Teioh/Usuda match is ALL Teioh. Usuda does the same shit he did against, well, everybody at that point (see the BattlARTS that got him to the tournament), while Teioh played off it like he was unprepared for all the shooty stylings and had to fall back on the wrestling skills he had, rather than just rudoing it up the whole time as he would have against anyone else in the tournament. His facials, the way he reacts to Usuda's offense, the way he counters and gets countered...all pretty nifty for a guy slumming it around in BJPW at the time. And it's no surprise the Liger match was worse - this was Jr.-squashing Liger we're talking about, after all. After seeing what he'd done to Kanemoto and the like earlier in the year, I'm surprised he even gave TM & CIMA as much as he did. Just because Liger is and has been a better worker than Usuda doesn't mean that the Usuda match was better because of Usuda.

[Guest Downhome]

Because he wasn't going to participate if he didn't win. And without him, that thing wouldn't have drawn a dime realistically.

Are you sure you didn't just describe HHH, just with the Liger outfit and minus the drawing?

[Guest Luke Argyle]

The opening match between Ricky Marvin and CIMA is probably the best 5 minute match I've ever seen. It's a ton of fun for what it is. The Muscle Buster Marvin gives CIMA is disgusting.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

CIMA as a general rule was a decent worker to a awesome worker. I think he was one of the best prospects Ultimo had, but from what I've seen and heard he's lost alot of love for the business and in general decent at best.

[Guest PlatypusFool]

Lyger took the 2000 tournament because Chosyu was booking him to kill every junior heavyweight, raise up to the heavyweight level and then get squashed by Sasaki.

 

It's a shame that the J-Cup had to be influenced by the booking stratagies of one company rather than being a collaboration between several companies bookers, like the 95 one.