RVD to Smackdown Rumor

[Guest BobBacklundRules]

Its no secret that Rob Van Dam has been the victim of Triple H's recent politics, forcing RVD into the roll of shaking hands at The World, during WWE Armageddon. Coming off main eventing Survivor Series this left many stunned that he wasn't even included in the PPV.

Apparently Rob Van Dam is looking to "be traded" to the Smackdown! brand, so that he can get a away from his problems with Triple H, and achieve his own stardom. This is only a rumor at this time, but it is expected to happen in the coming weeks.

[Guest bob_barron]

Source?

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Duh. Who on RAW besides HHH, HBK & Nash doesn't want to be traded? It doesn't matter whether he wants it or not, it is whether they will do it, and somehow I doubt it.

[Guest NoCalMike]

I usually don't respond to random "rumors however I am bored, so I will just say that, because Vince McMahon still has the final say in EVERY matter in WWE, if he has a problem with RVD going over, then it doesn't matter what show he is on, he will get buried, but at least on Smackdown he will get buried in good matches.....

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

I haven't seen this "Rumor" anywhere?

[Guest BobBacklundRules]

I get most of my information from wrestlinginc.com and they've been right about 85% of the time. RVD hasn't had any sort of angle on raw for a while and I don't see how they could put him in any more quality matches with the talent on raw.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Wrestleinc is crap. Tell us when Meltzer has something to say on the matter.

[Guest Ram]

Because that 85% of the time, it's altered news from Meltz and crew.

[Guest BobBacklundRules]

Because that 85% of the time, it's altered news from Meltz and crew.

true

 

but no doubt that RVD to smackdown would be kickass

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Let's say RVD is traded to Smackdown, who would be a good choice for Raw?

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Let's say RVD is traded to Smackdown, who would be a good choice for Raw?

Al Wilson, Dawn Marie & Torrie Wilson.

[Guest Ram]

But would RVD's weaknesses come out if he were part of Smackdown?

[Guest art_vandelay]

Let's say RVD is traded to Smackdown, who would be a good choice for Raw?

Bill DeMott. Since he's almost completely gone through SD's cruisers, now he can have Hurricane, Jeff Hardy, and Spike.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

HHH needs to bury Edge.

[Guest jester]

But would RVD's weaknesses come out if he were part of Smackdown?

Actually, I think they could cover them up better. Guys like Angle, Benoit and Eddie could have great matches with him. In fact, Eddie and RVD had that ladder match earlier this year.

 

I have no idea if this rumor is true, but RVD NEEDS to be on Smackdown badly. The other workers are more compatible there. Maybe a program with Angle or Benoit could teach him a few things too, make him a better wrestler.

 

Of course, all that would be moot if they just threw him into a program with Albert.

[Guest New World Order of Wrestling]

What substantial proof do we have that Triple H is holding RVD down? Has it be reported anywhere? Or have the internet conspiracy smarks concocted this notion themselves? Face it, RVD, flashy moves aside, is not that great of a package. His interviews are brutal, he looks constipated while wrestling, and does not have a convincing moveset. Maybe, just maybe, Vince is teaching him a lesson to pick up his work or he'll be benched. I don't know why Triple H would be intimidated by RVD, because Van Dam will never have the overall package to claim his spot. On the other hand, I can see how Trips could be scared of Jericho, as he has every tool to be the number 1 man in the company.

[Guest bob_barron]

A lot of people think that cause RVD has been made to look like an idiot in two of their three matches, was immedately pedigreed by him when they faced off in the RR and after RVD injured him at Survivor Series- he was off the next PPV.

 

But there is no proof that I know of

[Guest caboose]

HHH needs to bury Edge.

Amen.

[Guest CanadianChick]

HHH needs to bury Edge.

Amen.

Yeah, because HHH burying Edge would really solve the problems of your favorite wrestlers who are being held down. Stop being so bitter.

[Guest Brian]

RVD was plenty exposed in some of those Benoit/Eddy matches. The ladder match he was all over the place and the Benoit match was what it was.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Let me think.

 

RVD on the show written by Gerwitz or Heyman...

 

that's a tough one.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

What with Heyman talking about how "he knew how to book RVD strong" and all, it's be interesting to see just how much he'd be willing to go to bat for the guy at this point.

 

"What substantial proof do we have that Triple H is holding RVD down? Has it be reported anywhere? Or have the internet conspiracy smarks concocted this notion themselves?"

 

Considering he was made to look like a chump in his challenge against Crips a few months back and then made to look like an even bigger chump in his two week stint in the title race recently, it's pretty obvious that someone doesn't have big plans for him. Seeing as HHH's clout is common knowledge and that RVD has mainly had his legs cut out from under him in his "feuds" with HHH, it's easy to put two and two together.

 

"Face it, RVD, flashy moves aside, is not that great of a package. His interviews are brutal, he looks constipated while wrestling, and does not have a convincing moveset."

 

All perfectly valid points, but Scott Steiner and HHH are headlining the next pay per view, in case you didn't know. Also, the fact that they continue to tease RVD's push to the main event will only drive his fans further away. After driving most of Rob's fans away with all the ridiculous treatment he's received over the year, it's just obnoxious of them to continue giving the fans blue balls and screwing around with Rob's push like this. People can only gather their hopes for their guy to get the big win so many times before they just stop carring. I'd say Rob is a great example of that.

 

"Maybe, just maybe, Vince is teaching him a lesson to pick up his work or he'll be benched. I don't know why Triple H would be intimidated by RVD, because Van Dam will never have the overall package to claim his spot."

 

Van Dam had more popularity and babyface heat than Trips has seen in his entire career, at one point. I know that seems far fetched, but I believe it be fully true, as last fans obviously wanted nothing more than for RVD to become a top player, and HHH would have plenty of reason to be afraid of that. As for RVD "picking up his work" HHH is hardly the guy to tell people how to work, and seeing as Steiner, Demot, Show, and now Albert are getting pushes despite atrocious ring work, your arguement seems a little out-there.

 

"On the other hand, I can see how Trips could be scared of Jericho, as he has every tool to be the number 1 man in the company."

 

Jericho? He's mediocre at best in the ring and his promos have been lackluster ever since he left WCW. His character in the WWE is entertaining, in some respects, but then again, the same could be said for Van Dam. So far, it would seem HHH has equal intensions of keeping Van Dam and Jericho in check.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Everything you said was true.

 

However...HHH fears Jericho because he has long blonde hair.

 

You think it's stupid...but everyone else with long hair was asked to cut it.

 

HHH keeps RVD and Jericho in check because they are/were/alwayswillbe more over than him as faces. Jericho couldn't be completely buried until he was a heel. I swear to HHH that RVD will be a heel before Mania rolls around...or immediatly after when they decide that HHH/HBK and NAsh will be the top faces.

 

What I like about you Ricky is that you can see that talent is not what the WWE pushes. Some people seriously think that RVD won't get pushed because he can't sell his arm...meanwhile completely ignoring the year full of title reigns by Hogan, HHH, HBK, Show and Undertaker.

[Ultimo Dugas]

I swear to HHH...

 

[Guest cabbageboy]

I recently said that if RVD was traded to SMDN I'd really have no reason to watch Raw anymore.....so I can't see them trading him to SMDN.

 

That said, he can do an infinite amount of stuff on SMDN. He could debut as a heel as one of Heyman's guys wanting to take out Brock (an issue that was never resolved). I dunno though since RVD would easily get more pops than Brock no matter if he was a heel.

 

RVD could stay face and take on Angle in a title feud and bust him open again. He has history with Eddie and Benoit, but not to the point where either is played out. He can face Edge and Rey when he gets back.

 

I'd enjoy seeing RVD on SMDN since there is literally nothing for him to do on Raw at this point.

[Guest TheyCallMeMark]

I'd like to see Jericho and RVD on SD!, personally. I disagree with Ricky on one aspect of his observations; I think Jericho is better than mediocre in the ring. I definatly agree alot of his work is kind of sloppy, and ALOT of the time he doesn't really appear to give a shit and just kind of lets the match go... But when he's properly motivated I personally feel he is in league with the best of the wrestlers in the WWE. Just look last year during his title reign; he had watchable (dare I say good) matches with Crips even when he was basically dogging it in the ring.

 

I just think that if they gave him a GOOD push, perhaps putting him into the title picture against Angle/Benoit/Eddie he could really go out there and throw down some good shit. The guy can really tell a story in the ring, from my perspective.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

That said, he can do an infinite amount of stuff on SMDN. He could debut as a heel as one of Heyman's guys wanting to take out Brock (an issue that was never resolved). I dunno though since RVD would easily get more pops than Brock no matter if he was a heel.

Woah, highly disagree on that one. Brock is way more over than RVD at present, and I doubt RVD would out-pop him even if they faced off against each other. RVD's hook with the fans is his offense - but Brock has the most over offense in the WWE at present. And because RVD's such a good bumper, people would go rabid for Brock hurling hm around. We can't use the out-popping Rock argument, because they both managed that. But make no mistake, ever since he went full face, brock's been monsterly over. And he managed to do this off the back of a Big Show feud. Think what his face heat will be like when he feuds with a heel the calibre of Angle. As for RVD, I can't think of something good for him in the near future, but heel Rock vs face RVD might be funky next year.

[Guest CanadianChick]

True, Brock has been crazy over in the last little while, but how can we compare when both wrestlers are on different shows. We have to keep in mind that Smackdown and Raw's enviorment are completely different. I think the only way to make that judgement if RVD actually was on Smackdown wrestling Brock.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

"I disagree with Ricky on one aspect of his observations; I think Jericho is better than mediocre in the ring. I definatly agree alot of his work is kind of sloppy, and ALOT of the time he doesn't really appear to give a shit and just kind of lets the match go... But when he's properly motivated I personally feel he is in league with the best of the wrestlers in the WWE."

 

Well, having re-watched a lot his "motivated" work, it's pretty obvious to me that he's completely mediocre even when he wants to work. No rhyme or reason to what he does, bad psyche, sloppy execution and a tendancy to get blown up really easilly made him pretty annoying to watch, unless he was in there with someone like Benoit or Ultimo Dragon, and even then, his flaws were evident.

 

"Just look last year during his title reign; he had watchable (dare I say good) matches with Crips even when he was basically dogging it in the ring."

 

I don't get this "HHH dogs it now" arguement. Both guys tried in that match, and it was still borring. I don't think Jericho and Trips had a good match in them to begin with, really.

 

"I just think that if they gave him a GOOD push, perhaps putting him into the title picture against Angle/Benoit/Eddie he could really go out there and throw down some good shit. The guy can really tell a story in the ring, from my perspective."

 

What do you mean by "title picture"? You mean the world title? As for telling stories, when has Jericho ever done so? His scatershot offense is well-documented, as is his inability to build to a finish. He goes through his spots, wastes time, taunts the crowd, and then goes to the finish, pretty much as a rule. He's not any sort of ring general comanding the action, he just sticks to his routine.

 

But it's not about wrestling in the WWE, it's about marketability. Jericho had that marketability at one point (durring his feud with the Rock) and could have easilly been given a top spot, but they missed their window of opportunity and were stuck with a lame duck champion once they got around to pushing him. At this point, he's completely forgettable, and no one has cared about him for quite a while. He can get heel heat and it looks like they're going to give him a singles run again, but the only reason that's happening is because he's no threat to HHH at this point. That's the problem: they can push guys like Jericho and RVD *now* as much as they want, but it's obvious that with HHH around the only "elevation" that can happen is from opponents who pose no long-term threat. Steiner, for example, might not be able to walk by mania, so he's currently getting a generous push.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I don't get this "HHH dogs it now" arguement. Both guys tried in that match, and it was still borring. I don't think Jericho and Trips had a good match in them to begin with, really.

HHH and Jericho had a great garbagy Last man Standing Match at Fully Loaded 2000