Guest Redhawk Report post Posted December 20, 2002 I was looking at some old NBA and NFL drafts, and it's astonishing how many horrible picks have been made over the years. Of course we all know about the Blazers picking Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan and of 15-20 teams passing on Randy Moss. But look at THESE picks: NBA ======== --In 1992 the Hawks picked Adam Keefe ahead of Latrell Sprewell. --In 1993 the Sacramento Kings passed on Nick Van Exel TWICE, picking Bobby Hurley and Evers Burns. --In 1994 the 76ers picked Sharone Wright over Brian Grant, Eddie Jones, and Jalen Rose, among others. --In 1995 the Blazers picked Shawn Respert over Michael Finley and then the Pistons picked Randolph Childress over Finley. In that same draft, the Warriors picked Joe Smith over Kevin Garnett, Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess. --In 1996 the Clippers picked Lorenzen Wright over Kobe Bryant. In that same draft, the Cavaliers picked Vitaly Potapenko over Jermaine O'Neal. --In 1998 the Mavericks picked Robert "Tractor" Traylor over Paul Pierce. --In 1999 the Cavs picked Trajan Langdon over Ron Artest. --In 2001, the Celtics had THREE picks in the top 21. With those picks, they got Joe Johnson, Kedrick Brown and Joe Forte; passing up the likes of Tony Parker, Jamaal Tinsley, Richard Jefferson and Gilbert Arenas. NFL ======== --In 1988 the Cardinals picked RB Tony Jeffrey over Thurman Thomas --In 1993 TWELVE defensive lineman -- inlcuding Eric Curry, Dan Williams, Leonard Renfro, Todd Kelly and Coleman Rudolph -- are chosen before the Giants take a defensive end out of Texas Southern named...Michael Strahan. --The next year, though, the Giants use the No. 24 pick to get Thomas Lewis, a WR. In the next round, the Rams take Isaac Bruce. --In 1995 the Patriots grab Curtis Martin with the 74th pick, after RBs Ki-Jana Carter, Tyrone Wheatley, Napolean Kaufman, Rashaan Salaam, Ray Zellars, Sherman Williams and Terrell Fletcher have been taken. --In 1996 the Jaguars use the No. 2 pick in LB Kevin Hardy, leaving Ray Lewis on the board. In that same draft, the Rams pick Lawrence Phillips over Eddie George. --In 1997 the Falcons pick RB Byron Hanspard over Corey Dillon. --In 1999 the Browns use their No. 1 pick on QB Tim Couch, passing on QBs Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper. The Bengals also pass on Culpepper, taking Akili Smith. --In 2000 the Browns AGAIN have the No.1 pick, but take Courtney Brown over LaVar Arrington. WWE ========== --In 2002, Vince McMahon used a Top 10 pick to take Mark Henry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted December 20, 2002 The Knicks passing up Artest for Weis was pretty bad. The Nets picking Rex Walters, Yinka Dare AND Ed O'Bannon never ceases to amaze me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted December 20, 2002 If you think about it, the Saints Trading all of their Draft picks for like 2 years to the Redskins for Ricky Williams was a pretty bad deal considering he's no longer with the Saints and the Redskins were able to get Lavar Arrington and Chris Samuels that year I believe.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted December 20, 2002 If you think about it, the Saints Trading all of their Draft picks for like 2 years to the Redskins for Ricky Williams was a pretty bad deal considering he's no longer with the Saints and the Redskins were able to get Lavar Arrington and Chris Samuels that year I believe.. Everybody except Mike Ditka knew that was a horrible deal from the moment it was made. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted December 20, 2002 MLB 1988: Over 1,500 players are drafted in front of Mike Piazza. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted December 20, 2002 In that same draft, the Warriors picked Joe Smith over Kevin Garnett, Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess. --In 1999 the Cavs picked Trajan Langdon over Ron Artest. NFL ======== --In 1999 the Browns use their No. 1 pick on QB Tim Couch, passing on QBs Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper. --In 2000 the Browns AGAIN have the No.1 pick, but take Courtney Brown over LaVar Arrington. Not all of the original list should be considered bad DRAFT PICKS. There is a difference between hindsight and bad draft picks. Hindsight doesn't mean a draft choice was a bad pick when it was made. NBA Joe Smith was one of the top college players at the time of the draft and drafting him was not a bad pick. Trajan Langdon was also one of the top college players at draft time and can't really be considered a bad draft pick. NFL There were 5 top QB prospects in 1999 and other then Akili Smith it's hard to say that a team made a bad pick when there was 5 top prospects. McNabb had just as many doubters that Vick had. Courtney Brown & LaVar Arrington were rated very close to each other which made choosing between them tough. So i don't see how either could be considered a bad draft pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Will Scarlet Report post Posted December 20, 2002 In the 1997 draft, Ronde Barber was picked in the third round with such names as Chris Canty and Kevin Abrams picked above him. Reading old drafts always fascinates and depresses me. I always wonder how they make such huge mistakes drafting some guys. Like when I have not heard of most of the guys drafted in the first round, then I look at a later round and see a guy like Stephen Davis who became a pretty good player. It scares me to think about recent drafts, as I fear that I will not be hearing about most of these guys drafted in a few years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted December 21, 2002 In the 1997 draft, Ronde Barber was picked in the third round with such names as Chris Canty and Kevin Abrams picked above him. In that same draft, a man by the name of Darren Sharper was passed on by the teams who drafted Canty and Abrams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Will Scarlet Report post Posted December 21, 2002 Also in that draft Jason Taylor and Marcellus Wiley were passed up for Reinard Wilson(Bengals bench player as far as I can tell), Jon Harris(out of the league), and Nathan Davis(ditto.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted December 21, 2002 The 1998 Draft...now this was a HORRIBLE draft, in terms of busts. But look at the "diamonds in the rough" who were passed on by teams 1st Round 1 Peyton Manning Colts QB Tennessee 2 Ryan Leaf Chargers QB Washington State 3 Andre Wadsworth Cardinals DE Florida State 4 Charles Woodson Raiders DB Michigan 5 Curtis Enis Bears RB Penn State 6 Grant Wistrom Rams DE Nebraska 7 Kyle Turley Saints T San Diego State 8 Greg Ellis Cowboys DE North Carolina 9 Fred Taylor Jaguars RB Florida 10 Duane Starks Ravens DB Miami (FL) 11 Tra Thomas Eagles T Florida State 12 Keith Brooking Falcons LB Georgia Tech 13 Takeo Spikes Bengals LB Auburn 14 Jason Peter Panthers DT Nebraska 15 Anthony Simmons Seahawks LB Clemson 16 Kevin Dyson Oilers WR Utah 17 Brian Simmons Bengals LB North Carolina 18 Robert Edwards Patriots RB Georgia 19 Vonnie Holliday Packers DT North Carolina 20 Terry Fair Lions DB Tennessee 21 Randy Moss Vikings WR Marshall 22 Tebucky Jones Patriots DB Syracuse 23 Mo Collins Raiders T Florida 24 Shaun Williams Giants DB UCLA 25 Donovin Darius Jaguars DB Syracuse 26 Alan Faneca Steelers G LSU 27 Victor Riley Chiefs T Auburn 28 R.W. McQuarters 49ers DB Oklahoma State 29 John Avery Dolphins RB Mississippi 30 Marcus Nash Broncos WR Tennessee 2nd Round 1 Leon Bender Raiders DT Washington State 2 Jerome Pathon Colts WR Washington 3 Corey Chavous Cardinals DB Vanderbilt 4 Jacquez Green Buccaneers WR Florida 5 Tony Parrish Bears DB Washington 6 Anthony Clement Cardinals T SW Louisiana 7 Robert Holcombe Rams RB Illinois 8 Flozell Adams Cowboys T Michigan State 9 Sam Cowart Bills LB Florida State 10 Cameron Cleeland Saints TE Washington 11 Jeremy Staat Steelers DE Arizona State 12 Patrick Johnson Ravens WR Oregon 13 Artrell Hawkins Bengals DB Cincinnati 14 Patrick Surtain Dolphins DB Southern Mississippi 15 Brian Kelly Buccaneers DB USC 16 Samari Rolle Oilers DB Florida State 17 Todd Weiner Seahawks T Kansas State 18 Stephen Alexander Redskins TE Oklahoma 19 Kenny Mixon Dolphins DE LSU 20 Germane Crowell Lions WR Virginia 21 Kailee Wong Vikings DE Stanford 22 Tony Simmons Patriots WR Wisconsin 23 Bob Hallen Falcons G Kent State 24 Rod Rutledge Patriots TE Alabama 25 Joe Jurevicius Giants WR Penn State 26 Dorian Boose Jets DT Washington State 27 Cordell Taylor Jaguars DB Hampton 28 Jeremy Newberry 49ers C California 29 Mikhael Ricks Chargers WR Stephen F. Austin 30 Charlie Batch Lions QB Eastern Michigan 31 Eric Brown Broncos DB Mississippi State 3rd Round 1 Chuck Wiley Panthers DE LSU 2 Jon Ritchie Raiders RB Stanford 3 Olin Kreutz Bears C Washington 4 Leonard Little Rams DE Tennessee 5 Chris Conrad Steelers T Fresno State 6 Scott Frost Jets DB Nebraska 7 Robert Hicks Bills T Mississippi State 8 Skip Hicks Redskins RB UCLA 9 Brian Alford Giants WR Purdue 10 E.G. Green Colts WR Florida State 11 Jeremiah Trotter Eagles LB Stephen F. Austin 12 Mitch Marrow Panthers DE Pennsylvania 13 Jammi German Falcons WR Miami (FL) 14 Steve Foley Bengals LB NE Louisiana 15 Ahman Green Seahawks RB Nebraska 16 Dainon Sidney Oilers DB UAB 17 Mike Goff Bengals G Iowa 18 Brad Jackson Dolphins LB Cincinnati 19 Ramos McDonald Vikings DB New Mexico 20 Chris Floyd Patriots RB Michigan 21 Larry Shannon Dolphins WR East Carolina 22 Greg Spires Patriots DE Florida State 23 Jamie Duncan Buccaneers LB Tampa 24 Allen Rossum Eagles DB Notre Dame 25 Jonathan Quinn Jaguars QB Middle Tennessee State 26 Kevin Williams Jets DB Oklahoma State 27 Rashaan Shehee Chiefs RB Washington 28 Chris Ruhman 49ers T Texas A&M 29 Jonathan Brown Packers DE Tennessee 30 Brian Griese Broncos QB Michigan 31 Hines Ward Steelers WR Georgia 4th Round 1 Steve McKinney Colts G Texas A&M 2 Alonzo Mayes Bears TE Oklahoma State 3 Michael Pittman Cardinals RB Fresno State 4 Az Hakim Rams WR San Diego State 5 Fred Weary Saints DB Florida 6 Roland Williams Rams TE Syracuse 7 Julian Pittman Saints DE Florida State 8 Michael Myers Cowboys DT Alabama 9 Tavian Banks Jaguars RB Iowa 10 Lorenzo Bromell Dolphins DT Clemson 11 Omar Brown Falcons DB North Carolina 12 Todd Washington Buccaneers C Virginia Tech 13 Glenn Steele Bengals DE Michigan 14 Donald Hayes Panthers WR Wisconsin 15 Joe Salave'a Oilers DT Arizona 16 Deshone Myles Seahawks LB Nevada 17 Gennaro DiNapoli Raiders G Virginia Tech 18 Kivuusama Mays Vikings LB North Carolina 19 Jason Fabini Jets T Cincinnati 20 Brandon Whiting Eagles DT California 21 Shawn Barber Redskins LB Richmond 22 Tim Dwight Falcons WR Iowa 23 Leonta Rheams Patriots DT Houston 24 Clarence Love Eagles DB Toledo 25 Deshea Townsend Steelers DB Alabama 26 Harry Deligianis Jaguars DE Youngstown State 27 Lance Schulters 49ers DB Hofstra 28 Greg Favors Chiefs LB Mississippi State 29 Roosevelt Blackmon Packers DB Morris Brown 30 Curtis Alexander Broncos RB Alabama 31 Carlos King Steelers RB North Carolina State <5th, 6th and 7th Round cut, players like Fred Beasley, Darren Hambrick and Corey Bradford have ben omitted.> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted December 21, 2002 And screw the Jets (Alex Van Dyke), Rams (Eddie Kennison), Chargers (Bryan Still), Bears (Bobby Engram) and Packers (Derrick Mayes). In 1996, they drafted these busts, instead of picking up on a receiver from the University of Tennessee-Chattanooga. I think his name was Terrell Owens.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChris Report post Posted December 21, 2002 Here's the granddaddy of them all... In 1980, the Golden State Warriors traded their center and the No. 3 pick to the Boston Celtics to get the number 1 pick, where they drafted Joe Barry Carroll (who?). The center was Robert Parish. The Celtics used the pick to draft Kevin McHale. The Warriors basically handed the Celtics three championships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted December 21, 2002 --In 1995 the Patriots grab Curtis Martin with the 74th pick, after RBs Ki-Jana Carter, Tyrone Wheatley, Napolean Kaufman, Rashaan Salaam, Ray Zellars, Sherman Williams and Terrell Fletcher have been taken. Martin helped lead them to the Superbowl. I wouldn't classify that as a "horrible" pick. Letting him go to the Jets, THAT was a mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChris Report post Posted December 21, 2002 --In 1995 the Patriots grab Curtis Martin with the 74th pick, after RBs Ki-Jana Carter, Tyrone Wheatley, Napolean Kaufman, Rashaan Salaam, Ray Zellars, Sherman Williams and Terrell Fletcher have been taken. Martin helped lead them to the Superbowl. I wouldn't classify that as a "horrible" pick. Letting him go to the Jets, THAT was a mistake. I think he's bashing the teams that took all those guys ahead of Martin. Only Kaufman and Wheatley were anything close to decent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted December 21, 2002 Ah, I see. That makes more sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phr33k Report post Posted December 21, 2002 He was saying all the teams who DIDN'T pick him were stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChris Report post Posted December 21, 2002 --In 1999 the Browns use their No. 1 pick on QB Tim Couch, passing on QBs Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper. Now this I don't agree with. Couch is turning out to be a pretty good quarterback in Cleveland, and I think he'll only get better. And Culpepper is disintegrating before our very eyes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bob Van Darn Report post Posted December 21, 2002 I wouldn't say Culpepper is disintegrating at all, I just think he was overrated after his first full year. The rest of his team sucks hard also, pathetic O-Line, and no team could win with that patchwork defense. Today, I'd still take Culpepper over Couch. Trajan Langdon was a top player, but you can say that about every draft pick. Langdon had the best job in the NCAA to get overrated on. Designated 3-pt shooter on the best team in America. What's wrong with taking ANYONE over Spree? Since you put Jamie Duncan in bold, I know you just forgot to bold Sam Cowart. Ric Flair drafted Kevin Nash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted December 21, 2002 Ric Flair also drafted Lita Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted December 21, 2002 How can everyone forget about Ryan Leaf at #1 in 1996(?). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted December 21, 2002 He was #2. Peyton was #1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted December 21, 2002 Ahem... BRIAN BOSWORTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bob Van Darn Report post Posted December 21, 2002 How can everyone forget about Ryan Leaf at #1 in 1996(?). Oh fuck, I'll just have to register another name... You're batting 0 for 3 in this thread, Pete. Leaf was already mentioned... in the 1996 draft post. You REALLY NEVER know what you're talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted December 21, 2002 Leaf's so bad, he needs to be mentioned in every "Biggest Bust/Worst Pick" thread. And since it's Christmas: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bob Van Darn Report post Posted December 21, 2002 It's cute how refer to me with your childish antics constantly when you always have no clue what you're yapping about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted December 21, 2002 Do I smell... rivalry? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted December 21, 2002 Leaf was already mentioned... in the 1996 draft post. It was 1998....BWAHAHAHAHA! ....j/k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted December 21, 2002 Do I smell someone who has been banned before? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted December 21, 2002 It surely couldn't be Alina... AGAIN. Maybe it's just one of Pete's friends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted December 21, 2002 Nah. She said "You don't know what you're talking about", something I said to her a while back on ST. It's Alina/Leena/Black Widow/The Hummer Driver/The Person Who Raised the Briefcase and Assassinated JFK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
