Best pound for pound fighter...

[Guest gwf0704]

I am a huge boxing fan and I think as of right now the best pound for pound figthers in any weight class are:

 

1) Roy Jones JR - Fast, elusive, power puncher, and looks bored half the time he is boxing because he is in a weght class with no real challengers. Interesting to see what he does at heavyweight.

 

2) Oscar De La Hoya - His boxing style is artful and his win over Vargas was impressive. Has never ducked a challenge and is admirable in wanting to avenge his losses by wanting to fight Mosley and Trinidad.

 

3) Lennox Lewis - The Undisputed Heavyweight Champ has skills, power and knows he is not liked because he is a boring style boxer and not puncher. But still the best heavyweight.

 

4) Marco Antonio Barrera - Excellent boxer but will brawl if he has to. One of the best at either jabbing you to death or punching your lights out.

 

5) Erik Morales - He and Barrera are so far above everyone in their division its not even funny. Hes got quicks, strength and a hard chin.

 

6) Vernon Forrest - Dominated Mosley with jabs, defense and a boxing style of counter jabs and inside punching.

 

7) Bernard Hopkins - Very brawling type of a fighter who can box with the best but would rather frustrate you by fighting close.

 

8) Kosta Tzsyu - Very hard puncher/boxer who is able to adapt to his opponents styles and has great knockout power.

 

9) Vladimir Klitscho - Very big, very good defensive fighter who also attacks and is able to know out a lot of his opponents. Suspect chin though.

 

10) Floyd Mayweather JR - Extremely fast hands and can punch you 10 times in a row. Good power for a small guy.

 

Just my 2 cents .....

[Guest YouDaFoo]

VERNON FORREST!

 

This guy would beat anyone in the Welterweight and Middleweight divison!

 

He would school De La Hoya! No way DLH gets pass his jab! Hopefully Forrest nails DLH with his right cross and knocks the fraud peice of shit out for good!

 

De La Hoya is the biggest fraud ever, he sucks, and he's worse then Tyson as a person.

[Guest kingkamala]

De La Hoya is the biggest fraud ever, he sucks, and he's worse then Tyson as a person.

Mike Tyson: Threatened to eat Lennox Lewis' children. Numerous accusations of rape and assault. Was the STAR OF MIKE TYSON FUCKING PUNCHOUT FOR NES.

 

Oscar De La Hoya: Seemingly nice guy, humble, MADE A SHITTY POP ALBUM.

 

 

 

Winner of whose a worse person: De La Hoya for the album alone

[Guest YouDaFoo]

OSCAR DE LA HOYA HUMBLE? Ok man get ready! Here comes RANT TIME!

 

I think it's about time you learn about THE REAL Oscar De La Hoya!

 

"No black fighter can take my body punch! Black fighters have no heart or desire!" - Said that before his fight with Sugar Shane Mosley(And what happen? Mosley beat LA TOYA like a red headed step child!)

 

"I beat a HARVARD JEW! I'm the smartest man" - LA TOYA said that after his trail with Bob Arum

 

"Tito should be ashamed of himself for losing to that old man" - LA TOYA said that after Trinidad lost to Bernard Hopkins. But is scared SHITLESS to step in the ring with Bernard.

 

De La Hoya and Bob Arums picks and chooses his fighters, when they are in the downfall of his career. And when his steps in the ring, with people in their best he loses!

 

Pernell Whitaker - When LA TOYA stepped in the ring with him, Arum and La Toya both knew Whitaker was a shell of his former self! He was a drug addict, and didnt have the moves he once had! Whitaker also struggled Diobelys Hurtado, being floored twice before coming back and knocking out Hurtado! If PRIME Pernell Whitaker was in the ring with Hurtado, he would SHUT OUT Hurtado. De La Hoya watched that fight knowing Whitaker was past his prime, and thinking Whitaker would be a EASY fight! It looked like a easy fight, but what happen?

 

WHITAKER BEAT DE LA HOYA! WHITAKER BEAT DE LA HOYA! I dont care what it says in the record, A PAST HIS PRIME, OLD, DRUGGIE PERNELL WHITAKER BEAT DE LA HOYA! HE WAS ROBBED ON THE SCORECARDS! They also knew Whitaker won, but they didnt want some old junkie holding the title! So they gave the desicion to LA TOYA! LA TOYA COULDNT EVEN BEAT A OLD MAN, WHO IS ALSO SMALLER THEN HIM, IN LA TOYA'S PRIME! If a past his PRIME Pernell Whitaker could beat La Toya, imagine what a PRIME Whitaker would do! La Toya wouldnt even win a round with a PRIME Whitaker!

 

Ike Quartey - Ike was NEVER a great fighter, he was a very good fighter, but not great! His biggest wins was over Oba Carr, who is just a stepping stone for fighters, and Vince Phillips who is far from a great fighter. LA TOYA thought that Ike would look good on his resume, because he was undefeated fighter. But what happen again? IKE WAS ROBBED OF THE DESICION! De La Hoya came back in the 12th round, but failed to knock out Ike! Ike should of got the desicion! La Toya gets the crooked desicion again!

 

Felix Trinidad - La Toya's 1st real great oppenet! La Toya may have been winning in people's minds, BUT NO WAY he should of gotten the desicion! In the final rounds LA Toya RAN LIKE A PUSSY from Trinidad! A real winner dont run like a punk! Trinidad desvered that win!

 

Fernando Vargas - Face it folks! Vargas was a shot fighter! La Toya and Arum knew that! But La Toya think it will look good on his resume! Vargas was a ruined fighter from Tito Trinidad! Wilfred Rivera put the nail on the coffin, when he floored Vargas. Shibata Flores also ROCKED Vargas! After Trinidad, Vargas chin was never the same! Before the Rivera fight, DLH wanted no part of Vargas, because he thought Vargas was too talented! But after Rivera floored Vargas, DLH knew it was a easy win! BUT VARGAS STILL GAVE DLH THE FIGHT OF HIS LIFE!

 

Now in this current point of time! La Toya is DUCKING the IBF Light Middleweight champ Winky Wright, the Undisputed Middleweight Bernard Hopkins(Who De La Hoya refered to as a old man), and Vernon Forrest, who beat Shane Mosley(the man who SCHOOLED La Toya), twice!

 

He wants a rematch with Mosley(Whats that gonna prove? Why not face the man who beat him twice? VERNON FORREST.)

 

Thats what I think of LA TOYA as a boxer! Now as a person!

 

LA TOYA HAS DONE THE FOLLOWING THINGS

 

- Said many racist comments, as I pointed out at the top of my rant

 

- BEAT the his ex fiancee, and the mother of his child!

 

- He raped a 14 year old girl, and him and Arum paid the girl to not press charges

 

- Went on a drug rampage, and left his car in the middle of the highway and jumped a fence.

 

What a role model! He makes me sick!

[Guest kingkamala]

Uhhh....does anyone besides(YouDaFoo) have any prove De La Hoya did any of this. I think he's too much of a puss do even think about doing or saying any of that.

[Guest YouDaFoo]

Proof? It was in the newspapers, about the rape thing.

 

His ex fiancee even said it herself.

 

And the racist things, he said on TV.

 

Their were eyewitnesses to the drug rampage.

[Guest kingkamala]

ANYONE besides YouDaFoo? I'm not saying your lying but I need an unbiased opinion

[Guest YouDaFoo]

Fine be like that, watch those damn fights yourself.

 

I'm not lying, I'm just stating the facts, sorry for exposing La Toya, your little hero.

 

I find it offensive you think it's a biased opinion.

 

I dont hate De La Hoya, as a boxer I have some respect for him.

[Guest YouDaFoo]

De La Hoya Will Not Have To Answer Questions About His Past Sexual History

(BF.com staff writer)

 

LOS ANGELES -Oscar De La Hoya's will not be required to answer deposition questions about his past sexual history. Retired judge, Eric Younger, instructed De La Hoya to answer questions directed to him during a deposition, but he refused on the advice of his lawyer.

 

An 18-year-old woman, who is claiming that De La Hoya raped her in 1996 at a hotel in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, has filed a civil law suit against De La Hoya and his brother, seeking monetary damages for rape, false imprisonment, sexual battery and assault. The alleged incident occurred when she was just 15 years old. De La Hoya has denied the charges.

 

Michael Hernandez, a friend of De La Hoya’s, was dropped as a defendant in the case. Hernandez and Oscar’s brother, Joel De La Hoya, allegedly brought the girl to the hotel room where she was raped, according to the victim’s lawyer.

 

Judge Reginald Dunn ruled that De La Hoya does not have to answer further questions regarding his sexual history," said Robert Chapman, De La Hoya's lawyer. The woman’s lawyer plans to appeal the Judges’ ruling.

 

Judge Reginald Dunn told the lawyers in the case to return for a status hearing on December 16. No trial date will be set until after this hearing. The Judge also ruled that the woman can be questioned by De La Hoya's lawyers in a deposition about her claim of emotional distress, but said that no questions about her prior sexual activity can be asked either..

 

There are still several witness that need to be deposed in this case, according to the victim’s lawyer.

 

De La Hoya, 31-1, suffered his first lost at the hands of Felix Trinidad, of Puerto Rico, last month in Las Vegas, losing his WBC Welterweight Championship Title. The fight was billed as the, "Fight of the Millennium", and De La Hoya received $15 million for his share of the bout.

[Guest YouDaFoo]

BOXING

 

De La Hoya's ex-fiancee

 

files palimony lawsuit

 

SANTA MONICA, Calif. -- Oscar De La Hoya's ex-fiancee has filed a $62.5 million palimony lawsuit against the boxer.

 

In the suit filed Wednesday, actress Shanna Moakler claims De La Hoya used her and their 18-month-old daughter, Atiana Cecilia, "as props to promote his public image as a good husband and father."

 

De La Hoya's attorney, Stephen Espinoza, said his client "has acknowledged his obligations to his daughter and is currently providing for all of her needs."

 

According to the lawsuit, De La Hoya announced his engagement to Moakler in October 1998, then referred to her as his wife. Moakler said she learned the relationship was over when she saw him escorting another woman to the Latin Grammys in September.

 

The lawsuit claims De La Hoya promised her "half of the income and property acquired during their relationship as well as financial support sufficient to maintain the standard of living they enjoyed during their relationship."

[Guest kingkamala]

Fine be like that, watch those damn fights yourself.

 

I'm not lying, I'm just stating the facts, sorry for exposing La Toya, your little hero.

I'm not supporting De La Hoya at all, it's that you seem to have a biased opinion towards him.

 

 

There are thousands of rapists and adulterers out in the US every year, every time a man rapes a woman or a man cheats on his wife or girlfriend. Do you go up in arms and go on a rant.

 

So what if these accusations are true, Sonny Liston was an illiterate thug, Mike Tyson is an accused rapist and nut case. Evander Holyfield has dozens of out of wedlock children, Joe Louis was a cokehead. The point of the matter is outside of the ring, what boxers do is their business. If the accusations are true all the things De Le Hoya did in the past will catch up to him. Look at the aforementioned fighters and how they're doing now.

 

 

And did calling De La Hoya a puss give you a hint that I don't really like the guy(in ring). I think in the ring the man's a coward. I'm not a De La Hoya mark or a boxing mark that much in general. I follow it but I'm not an avid fan by any means.

[Guest YouDaFoo]

Joe Louis a cokehead? I read almost everything on Joe Louis, and no where pops up he's a cokehead.

 

Sonny Liston, and Mike Tyson are misunderstood, IMO.

 

Sonny Liston's story is so tragic, it makes me sad. Problay the most tragic story in ALL sports. No one had a worse life then Liston did.

 

His father was a brutal man, who WOULDN'T let Liston go to school, and rather him work in the fields. He was born in a family of 24 KIDS! Infact, he grew up thinking criminals were great people! Liston had it hard! I recommend reading stuff on him, it really brings a tear to your eye.

[Guest snuffbox]

Sonny Liston was one bad sonofabitch! One of the most underrated heavyweight champions of all time, he was far more than a thug in the ring! His jab was one of the strongest in history and his ring generalship would definitly lead any boxing man to realize there was something in the man's head!

 

Yes, DLH did pay off the girl, did make the racist comments, did stand accused of women-beating, and to anybody with functioning eyes/boxing knowledge lost to every good fighter he ever faced except Vargas. Vargas was on steroids, and as a modestly trained fighter myself, whoever gave him that bright idea is retarded. Steroids wont do shit for you in the ring, just about as useful as gettin laid whilst in training!

 

I have not heard anything about Joe Louis being a crackhead. Only knock on him that I know about him are his financial troubles.

 

Best p4p today? Hopkins would get if he hadnt suddenly come down with downs syndrome. DLH will have to actually defeat somebody at some point. Roy doesnt deserve as hes a pussy, the Ruiz fight could slightly change that perception. Barerra is good, but I maintain that Morales is better. I scored the first fight to Erik by 1 round, the best fight Ive ever seen out of thousands, and felt he one the 2nd decisively.

 

Id prolly make #1 p4p a tie with Morales and Vernon Forrest.

[Guest kingkamala]

Sonny Liston story is tragic, In the ring he was no thug one of the 5 or 6 best heavyweights of all time(Possibly the best 2 or 3 heavyweights of all time). Out of the ring he had the wrong people talking in his ear and his mind couldn't comprhend it. Liston made a few mistakes and ended up dead as a result. I heard they were making a Showtime movie based on Sonny Liston's life and I saw the preview but I never heard anything about it after that.

 

 

My mistake about Joe Louis I watched his ESPN SportsCentury special several months back and now I remember them saying the coke addiction was after his career.

 

Tyson's story is the same as Liston, could have, should have, would have. The wrong people got in his ear and shit happened. That doesn't make what Tyson and Liston did is/was right, but Liston and Tyson had/have the best of intentions but greed wins it all.

 

 

I guess I was wrong about De La Hoya, I knew all he had beaten crappy fighters and I knew he had made a crappy album. But I hadn't known about the seedy underbelly of De La Hoya. Like I said about the aforementioned, if he did all those accusations it will come back to haunt him. Maybe not now but one day soon it will.

[Guest snuffbox]

Yes, both Tyson and Liston's biographies are tragic to a Shakespearean tee. Liston had a rough upbringing then mob connections during his career. Tyson was possibly the absolut best heavyweight ever when under the proud wing of Cus D' Amato. When Cus died Don King started talking and the downhill slalom started there. Liston ended up being a dead enigma, Tyson may yet have the opportunity to plull himself together. There is also a boatload of evidence that says Mike Tyson did not rape Desiree Washington, the beauty contestent. But thats an entirely different story!

 

Yes, there was a biopic of Liston. I found it to be very good and I would suggest to anybody interested!

[Guest YouDaFoo]

Spike Lee's making a Liston movie, with Ving Rhames as Liston.

 

IMO, Liston threw both Ali fights, and allowed Ali to beat him. So much proof points to it.

 

Washington, cried rape before Tyson. And the DNA Test proved Tyson didnt do it.

 

Another tragic story is Pernell Whitaker, one of the most talented fighters ever, getting slapped in the face repeatly by the boxing world.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I want to ask a question about this thread but if it's interpreted the wrong way people will just call for my head.

 

So instead I'll just shake my head.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

you swear sweet pea beat de lay hoya which is true but, trinidad got waxed for 8 rounds and won because everyone hates oscar. He's afraid to fight tito? Tito is a "shot" fighter as you call it. Hopkins whipped his ass the whole fight, tito came back beat a bum in a shitty fight, and retired. De La Hoya still fights contenders. Who's afraid? Anyhow roy jones is the best. He comes to the ring and raps about beating your ass and then does it. De La Hoya is number 2.

 

--Rob

[Guest YouDaFoo]

Yeah LA TOYA may have beat Trinidad for 8 Rounds, BUT WHAT HAPPEN AFTER?

 

LA TOYA RAN LIKE A LITTLE BITCH! He never got the desicion, cus he ran like a little pussy! Tito is far from a shot fighter. Just because he lost to one of the BEST Middleweights EVER, doesnt make him a bum.

 

LA TOYA WOULD GET HIS ASS SPANKED BY HOPKINS, La Toya and Arum know that!

 

IF LA TOYA HAD BALLS He would fight Winky Wright, Vernon Forrest, or Bernard Hopkins.

 

But he dont want to fight those guys, too big of a risk.

 

The only reason he wants to fight Mosley again, is because he saw Forrest WHOOP Mosley TWICE, and knows Mosley is in a downpoint of his career.

 

But I know Mosley will KICK LA TOYA'S ASS AGAIN.

[Guest snuffbox]

From an unbiased perspective, the DLH-Tito fight was extremely close. The first half went almost entirely to oscar, but a round or 2 could have easily been even or Tito's, but the final half was all Tito, Dlh ran like a pussy and the final round was 10-8 Trinidad. You CAN NOT win a boxing match if you DO NOT throw punches! The prize ring is not a track circle, in the ring you punch people to score points, DLH lost the fight, and earned it. He has yet to defeat a single worthwhile fighter convincingly, except for Vargas, whose a retard who thought steroids would actually help in the ring.

 

As I mentioned, I have trained to box, and have an extensive knowledge thereof. I have not taken my training/work to a serious level as yet, but I do take the sport very seriously. If your going to rape children and beat women, like DLH very well may have done, and if your going to talk shit, youd damn well better be able to nut up in the ring. Whenever oscar's and his pubescent fans' balls drop then you'll all be taken seriously by the boxing community. Its not a track meet, its a contest of warriors. Its a meeting of pride and respect, not a gay pride parade.

 

Its the same thing as when I wrestled in high school. In wrestling it is a penalty to stop the action, its called 'stalling'. The other seasonal sport is basketball, where contact of an opponent is antonymically illegal. My point is that there are sports for physicallity, sports for contact and there are sports for the opposite. Dont get in a gladiator game if your just going to make a mockery thereof.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

Yeah LA TOYA may have beat Trinidad for 8 Rounds, BUT WHAT HAPPEN AFTER?

 

LA TOYA RAN LIKE A LITTLE BITCH! He never got the desicion, cus he ran like a little pussy! Tito is far from a shot fighter. Just because he lost to one of the BEST Middleweights EVER, doesnt make him a bum.

 

LA TOYA WOULD GET HIS ASS SPANKED BY HOPKINS, La Toya and Arum know that!

 

IF LA TOYA HAD BALLS He would fight Winky Wright, Vernon Forrest, or Bernard Hopkins.

 

But he dont want to fight those guys, too big of a risk.

 

The only reason he wants to fight Mosley again, is because he saw Forrest WHOOP Mosley TWICE, and knows Mosley is in a downpoint of his career.

 

But I know Mosley will KICK LA TOYA'S ASS AGAIN.

no, the only reeason he wants to fight mosley is because he lost to him. Mosley is such a good fighter all around, and young that he is far from a downside of his career. BTW Winky Wright? Dude Howard Eastman beat his ass. Winky is nowhere nere the top of the top as he got a very lucky decision vs eastman and refused to fight him again. Hopkins won't fight de la hoya because it's to much of a comprimise in weight to get them to fight. I would love to see de la hoya vs forrest though. That will be fight of the year if they fight in 2004, unless barrera/morals III happens

 

--Rob

[Guest YouDaFoo]

Fool, dont get WINKY WRIGHT MIXED UP WITH WILLIAM JOPPY!

 

Winky Wright was robbed a desicion againest Fernando Vargas, and is the IBF Light Middleweight champion. Arum stated that LA TOYA doesnt wanna fight Wright, because Wright is a "bigger verison of Whitaker", and you know what Whitaker did to LA TOYA.

 

Why doesnt LA TOYA fight WINKY WRIGHT(Not Joppy), and UNFLIE THE BELTS, thats if he can BEAT Wright!

 

LA TOYA runs his mouth saying the X is old, why dont he fight him then? IF he wont, then shut up.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Who cares about Oscar De La Hoya. This thread was supposed to be about the best pound for pound fighters, not the personal life of Oscar De La Hoya.