Announcement to the SWF

[Guest Insanityman]

Tom does bring up a good point. Why the hell do politics go on in a fucking e-federation ? This ranks up there with some of the worse but dudes (dudettes) wake the fuck up- we don't need politics in an e-federation.

 

I agree with what happened but when did we ever get to take a vote? You guys make it sound like it's the whole damn e-federation felt like turning into French peasants to overthrow the "King." All in all we're in a mess right now guys... least we waited until break.

 

 

Merry fucking Christmas.

 

I "Mood Swinging" L (no I won't begin doing that).

[Guest kelloggs]

uh... okay.

 

Well a lot of drama has occured so until i get all the facts my comments on this are that Cast brought up some very good ideas about booking commities and helping e-fedders that don't have angles, they should be discussed. I haven't had a personal problem with Stubbys booking but others have and that needs to be rectified. Thats pretty much it.

 

e-fed + politics = bad

[Guest TheSatanicAngel]

Whoa. Holy shit. Imagine my surprise when I read this ... the villanous Stubby has finally been removed. And then I read further on, and I can see both sides. I feel badly for the way it happened, but I do think it was long overdue. I could go on, but it's already been stated.

 

I did say that when Stubby was removed, I would come back. Having adjusted to working nine hour days, however, I don't think I have the time to write. King, Thoth, Sacred, whoever ... I'm willing to help ... not really comfortable with marking, but everywhere else, yeah.

 

On a side note, in LDP's EWR, Sarah Leavenworth is doing great as Commissioner. ;-)

[Guest Ace309]

It has come to my attention that my earlier message may be construed as not supporting this self-styled revolution.

 

I have great empathy for Stubby, because as far as I know he was a fair marker and I never had any problems being booked the way I asked to be. I wish he had been more approachable, since I recall at least one time when I asked for feedback on a losing match and didn't get it (the US Title loss to Raynor way back when), but people complaining about his booking will have to do that for themselves.

 

I also feel bad for him that this is the way he gets thanked for putting a great deal of time into this fed.

 

However, in my (admittedly short) time in the fed, it certainly did seem like Stubby was starting to lose his interest in booking. Basically, everyone's already made this argument, and I don't know how to refute it.

 

I would have liked to see this happen under less October Revolution-type circumstances, since I think a lot of the drama is unnecessary. I don't know what the accepted method of changing commissioners is, but I would have liked to see it employed here.

 

However, in the meantime, I'll keep my fool mouth shut.

[Guest Rabbi_wilson13]

Wow, I come to check out the PPV to see how Tom's match turned out and I see this. Interesting. Enough people finally bitched and moan in private they decided to do something public. Grew some balls. Congratulations to everybody for doing this in the most underhanded way possible, and the people who always just speak their mind are the bad guys.

 

Stubby, you were great during my comeback and I thank you very muchly for that. You didn't give me anything in the beginning, but you always gave me the chance to earn it, which is all I can ask.

 

Thanks. Wow, you guys really handle the Christmas spririt well.

[Guest chirs3]

Sheesh, I'm gone for three months and the fed goes to hell in a handbasket.

 

But seriously, I don't think I hold much sway in decision-making around here, since I'm... um... never here much anymore, but I figure I'd throw in my two cents... my two very late cents...

 

When Stubby returned (not too long after I joined, I think - Simon Flare, anyone?), I was quick to jump on the "Stubby = ASS~!" bandwagon. On the boards, whether he's being in character or just being a dick, he usually manages to say something offensive.

 

But when he became the booker, my opinion of him changed a whole hell of a lot. Any time I asked a question, or suggested a storyline, or wanted a certain match booked, he PM'd me back either saying yes, or saying no and giving me suggestions on how to fix it. I can't count the number of revisions the Edwin/Raynor/Silent/Wilson storyline went through on my end because Stubby managed to point out things that would and would not work, which I had missed. Out of character, he was always incredibly helpful to me when I went to him for anything.

 

I can't recall a time when I ever brought up changing the way this Fed is run with him, so I can't say whether he was an unresponsive asshole or just misunderstood. But regardless, I'm not too thrilled about the way that things went, and I've gotta take Stubby's side on this one.

 

That is all.

[Guest Thoth]

I think people are forgetting I never told Stubby he had to leave. I just said that we needed some new bookers. The demod was to make sure to didn't do things like delete shows or lock other things, because I know how you get.

 

But I guess you want to take your ball home, crying because you've been demodded. Whatever.

[Guest Thoth]

One question:

 

Are you willing to have Suicide King as your co-head booker? Yes or no. That's all this is about.

[Guest Ace309]

Well, let's just do this:

 

This is an e-fed. Can we get back to writing about wrestling now?

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

uh... okay.

 

Well a lot of drama has occured so until i get all the facts my comments on this are that Cast brought up some very good ideas about booking commities and helping e-fedders that don't have angles, they should be discussed. I haven't had a personal problem with Stubbys booking but others have and that needs to be rectified. Thats pretty much it.

 

e-fed + politics = bad

Holy crap, not everyone NO SOLD~! my post...

 

I was beginning to think I should take MY ball and go home. Anyway...

 

As Thorochi so eloquently stated, we simply want a change in management style; we would like Stubby to say. The pro/anti Stubby, pro/anti REVOLUSHUN!!!!! rants are counterproductive. Let's get back to what this whole thing is about: fixing the SWF and making it fun again. The first step would be eliminating a dictator figure; however, that doesn't mean Stubby has to be out of dodge. Make the bureaucracy a little larger; allow for more specialization by a larger staff, and much more will get done in the way of angles and participation. It's been done (and has worked) in other feds in the past. I've seen it.

 

So, we've already heard everyone's sentiments about the current situation; if you don't agree with what is taking place currently, how would you fix it otherwise?

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

Unfortunately, you guys who made this decision did not present this in any fashion, not publicly at least, that makes it seem as if you want the compromise and rethinking that OC has suggested. With the insults and piles of unnecessary trash-talking that's gone on in this thread...well, if I were Stubby, I'd see no reason to return to a place that was altogether so ungrateful. If compromise is really what you want, here's how you should go about it.

 

Seeing as its quite obvious that several people had no idea any of this silliness was coming, the first step is to get ideas from EVERYONE.

 

This is your fed now, so I don't have any ideas I care to share, but make sure that any changes you make really are for ALL the writers, not just some of them. I'll say no more on this, except good luck.

[Guest Suicide King]

sigh. just... just sigh.

 

I don't know what the hell is going on. I don't know how it came to this. I don't know why it came to this. All I know is that Stubby didn't deserve this. I guess that's neither here nor there now, though... let's get to rebuilding.

[Guest redbaron51]

As if my response matters, but I do have some lee-way to this, since technically, I have been here as long as Stubby has....

 

 

This fed has been put through holocaust through holocaust numerous amounts of time, and it has survived this long, longer than I have expected. Since bitching about who hacked into JaysonG account (Stubb's knows this one) and that the fed was under-heat for that, to the split, to Stubby taking the Ownership of the fed and countless others, people whined and bitched about who should do what, and it should have been done earlier.

 

First off.

 

Cast FUCK OFF. You are the lamest person around, with senless promo's that lead up to no where, because we don't understand it. You are a shamless prick, and instead of making it better, you will try to mimick like FWF, and write RP's instead of matches, because its simpler to you. You are a huge prick to everybody, and if you don't get it your way, you whine and bitch about it.

 

To the rest of the jackasses out here who made Stubby de-modded are idiots as well. What are we trying to do, be one of the most unique, and highly respected E-Fed's out there, and now crippling it to its self destruction, and eventually have to close it because, this could have been done behind the curtains, instead making it a big scene, which looks bad on us. This is like taking a page out of the Fall of the Soviet Union.

 

 

Maybe I'm wrong, Stubby may not have been the best choice at first, but was there anyone else to take the position instead when Jayson left, probably not (and don't say you 'Cast, because this fed would have been buried a year ago.) Stubby did a tremendous job doing this, and staying for almost two years being our commissioner, thats marvellous, and Stubby should get respect for it. Hell he went through his own-time to make this fed possible, including some of the best storylines out there, and brought out some of the best writers as well. Now, I highly doubt that any of you bastards could do this, or something like this.

 

I like to see how long you guys can stay in power, before you finally cave in. King is probably the best choice to go to, as he and or stevens is pretty much devoted to the fed, and if Thoth and 'Cast is in it....then god help us all....

[Guest CED Ordonez]

To Stubby: Don't really know what in the world is going on, but thanks for the time you put in.

 

Everybody else: Fuck the politics. C'mon people, we're smarks, dammit. We know what politics does to the real pro federations. I know it doesn't mean shit to most of you who look at me as Cutthroat, Version 2, but let's cut the crap and once the smoke clears and we're back in 2003, let's make like Goldust and bring our workrate and e-fed to the next level, possibly out of spite.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Xero, I won't bother responding to that beyond the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. IM me if you have anything to say, if not, stop trying to make yourself look big by attacking me on the board.

 

I would have expected more courage from you. I'm deeply saddened.

[Guest HVilleThugg]

I've read about half these post, and having just gotten back form NYC, I have no energy to post a long commentary on my true feelings about all of it. I will sum up the way I feel with a few lines, and I'll come back later and post something meaningful...

 

My thoughts...

 

Stubby as a person -- don't like him much

 

Stubby as a booker -- flashes of greatness and equal flashes of suckiness...my personal feelings about Stubby as a person influence my feelings of him as a booker, so...

 

The way he was ousted -- HORRIBLE! I told Thoth this when he came to me with the idea, and everytime ousting Stubby was brought up...this was not the way to accomplish the goal, and it was a complete slap in the face for everything Stubby DID actually do here. Hate him as a person, but he is still a person, who deserves the same treatment that we as people would like to receive. I told everyone this when i was approached...send a PM with the demands, allow for a rebuttal, then take necessary action. But whatever...I've wanted Stubby gone more than anyone for the longest time, but even I know this was now the way to go. I'm very unhappy to see how this went down, and I'm not sure I want to be involved with this federation anymore.

 

So, on that note...Stubby, I don't like you...never have (except maybe when you pushed me to the moon ). But, regardless, thanks for all you did for the fed. Having booked, I know how many hours are spent with shows and requests and marking and the like...so I have some idea of what you had to do to keep this place going so long. Those that know me know I would never kiss up to Stubby, but I just feel like Stubby does need to be thanked for all he did, even if it was overshadowed by his mistakes.

 

Well, let's get back to matches and such I guess...

 

Da "turned into a long post after all" H

[Guest Thoth]

This is my last post in this thread.

 

Stubby had a PM in his box, regardless of who it was from, that said that I wanted to talk to him about major issues that had the whole fed complaining.

 

This PM was in his box for three days, before the PPV.

 

I got literally no response.

 

The PM also said that if, before the PPV, he did not respond, then measures would be taken. The measures were not specified.

 

Nevertheless, I got no PM's from Stubby.

 

Measures were taken.

 

Those are the facts.

[Guest Ash Ketchum]

Stubbs may have not been Mr. Goodguy, and sure, maybe he was an ass sometimes, but he in NO WAY, in my opinion, deserved to be ousted in this way.

 

Everyone's got a reason for why he should stay or go. Some are vaild. Others are not. I don't know who exactly falls into which category, but to Stubbs, I gotta say this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you. You've done a lot for this fed, even though sometimes you may have made it seem like a one-man show. You weren't the greatest booker, but hell, I think you cared for this fed on a level that only King and Stevens can match.

 

Some say I should be pissed because you held me in the JL for over a year before you gave me a chance in the WF. To those, I say fuck that. Though I was in the JL for longer than I expected, it was there I learned how to become a better writer in matches and promos. It was a learning opportunity I may never get again, and hell, now my school essays are nothing compared to my behemoth "Stash the Ash" match

 

If this must be the way you have to go... then I'm sorry to see you leave, but goodbye, Stubbs. We'll miss ya.

 

 

 

Or at least, me and some others will... but I'll miss ya. Happy trails, dude...

[Guest Perfect_Bo]

Well, I shouldnt be posting because I am no longer with this fed, but I've been with Stubby for a long time so I feel I should say something.

 

Personally, I think Stubby is an ass...but as a booker, he's the one that have kept the fed alive, accept it or not, it's the truth. The way he was demodded was wrong, that's just my opinion.

 

People complained about him...that is true, but you still wrote your matches and you still complained about who's match was better than who and he had to hear it and bear it. He tries to organized the best as he can. I do believe that he needs a co-booker, but to demod him was a bit too harsh.

 

Seriously, who in the right mind would do his job? I wouldnt...give the guy a break, he bust his ass night in and night out and give the best he can, he can do so much, he's human.

 

I think Stubby kept this fed alive and I feel if you lose him, this fed will be lost.

 

That's just my two cents.

 

Bo

[Guest crusen86]

Well, I seem to be the only one who doesn't think this is the worst thing to ever happen.

 

For starters, Stubby hasn't been thrown out. Thoth has stated what a lot of people have been thinking for a long time. They want variation.

 

Imagine how royally crap the JL would be if I booked show after show after show. It gets tiresome.

 

That's all everyone wants. Nobody wants to see Stubby thrown out forever this way.

 

Stubby and King, taking a show each a week. Or whatever. Plus, imput from a few other guys.

 

That's all this is about.

[Guest Longdogger_Pete]

I know you all aren't interested in my opinion, and I don't really give a damn. But if you're just skipping down to the next post, I'll keep this short.

 

No matter what mine or anyone else's opinions of Stubby were (and I've heard plenty), the behavior and the actions I've seen toward him today were utterly inexcusable. I can't say much more that hasn't already been said about the situation, but I wanted to be clear as to where I stand. I had nothing to do with this little secret plan, nor did I know anything about it, but right now I feel ashamed to be associated with this fed and its current members.

 

With that said... don't expect me to go anywhere. I may not be Stubby, but I feel I've put a lot of effort into helping this little group of ours prosper in the nearly two years I've been here. It's become something I truly care about, and I will do what I can to continue to see it prosper.

 

That's all I've got to say.

[Guest redbaron51]

two questions:

 

who complained, seriously? I really don't think many people did complain about it.

 

second.

 

If you think he's unfair, big freakin whoop, your match lost, and there is nothing he could do about it.

 

Third:

 

Thoth is power-hungry...

[Guest Muzz]

That's one question.

 

And that's not the best way to look at it Xero.

[Guest AnnieEclectic]

I'm on Rose's comp, I've been out a couple of days, and this happens.

 

Thank. Fucking. God.

 

The means by which this happened does suck, but it's the only concievable way left considering this is the umpteenth time there's been attempts to change the head booking situation.

 

Trying directly: done.

 

Trying through complaing: squashed and deleted, before most could read what was there to say. Don't think I don't remember the shit that was pulled on Kibagami, TNT, others including myself. Anyone with a bad thing to say to Stubby GOD McWeed was treated like shit, and their suggestion tossed aside like it was worthless.

 

This isn't the best way to force change but it needed to be done. And quite frankly the method, however backhanded it may be, was brought only upon yourself.

 

I have to agree with Z, TNT, Oroth, and the others here. You did fine work. You also treated one and all like complete and total garbage in the meantime. I have no respect for those that don't wish to respect others. You are on that list. I have no sympathy.

 

 

If this makes some feel that I'm a bitch, fine. But when a you have a month's worth of work fucked up just because someone 'doesn't feel like it' you hold a god damn grudge. I may be a pacifist but I swear on the goddess up high if I ever met you I'd kick you in the mother fucking balls. Since I probably won't ever see you, never having to deal with you, pr the specter of losing the work that you put your time and effort into, will be fair enough to me.

 

Allison Saotome

[Guest hhh6294]

*Sigh*

 

Can anyone here remember when E-Fedding was supposed to be a fun past-time?

 

 

All I am going to say, is that I feel Stubby did a damn good job dealing with all of the huge fucking egos in this fed.