Guest Some Guy Report post Posted March 8, 2002 I've been keeping track of all the appearances by the major WWF stars on television every Monday and how they affected audience viewing patterns. This tracks the period from 1/21 through 3/4 and represents the average amount of new viewers gained or old viewers lost when this person is featured on television: Kurt Angle +250,000 Steve Austin +145,000 Booker T -159,000 Ric Flair +210,000 Godfather -159,000 Billy & Chuck -190,000 Hall & Nash -25,000 Hulk Hogan +22,000 HHH +164,000 Jazz -127,000 Chris Jericho +190,000 Stephanie +117,000 Vince +318,000 Rock +127,000 Lance Storm +0 Undertaker -17,000 Rob Van Dam -32,000 Wrestlingobserver.com Good News: Kurt Angle Ric Flair Y2J Godfather Billy and Chuck Taker Hall and Nash (depending on your opinion) Bad News: RVD Booker T Vince Steph Hogan (depending on your opinion) What do you think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 8, 2002 I'm curious how they can tell how many viewers leave during the 2 minutes a show that Booke and RVD average Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted March 8, 2002 Well since Booker spends half the time getting beaten by Spike Dudley & Tazz, no wonder he isn't a draw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 8, 2002 I'm curious to see what RVD's rating was before the depush. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted March 8, 2002 I never liked those wrestlers ratings. I just find them stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted March 8, 2002 Why are they stupid? It shows how many people turn off or on the show based on who's on. What I find interesting is that Angle out draws everyone and he is constantly on a roller coaster push. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted March 8, 2002 Look at RVD's & the nWo's numbers for example. Guys get low ratings yet they're over (RVD) and/or sell lots of merchandise (nWo). Plus, those figures could be use to hold people down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Army Eye Report post Posted March 8, 2002 Why are they stupid? It shows how many people turn off or on the show based on who's on Yeah, but you can't put that much stock in the numbers. There are so many other factors that affect them. Take a look at Angle, he has a nice number, but he is also very frequently in the TV main event. Booker T on the other hand usually jerks the curtain. And the main event almost always has the highest rated quarter hour, regardless of who is in it. It's an interesting list, and worthy of looking at, but don't take the figures too seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Army Eye Report post Posted March 8, 2002 Also you have guys like Rob Van Dam, who often have a lame opponent, so obviously stuff like that hurts their rating. You get the idea. The point is that the individual wrestler can only have so much control over what rating he pulls in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted March 8, 2002 It's just statistics. They depend on place on the card etc. Smark, mark, whatever, no one deliberately would try and watch more Stephanie than RVD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted March 8, 2002 I never said they were the only thing, but I do find them interesting. They can be used to hold people down (RVD, Booker) or they can be used to elevate guys who perform well and de push those who don't. I don't think that Vince really looks that at these numbers because if he did Angle would be the champ and Taker, Billy&Chuck, Jazz, and Godfather would not be tv as much or at all. BTW I made a mistake in my previous post Vince draws the most and Angle is second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CB2M Report post Posted March 8, 2002 What I find interesting is that Angle out draws everyone and he is constantly on a roller coaster push. He outdraws everyone because he's the best all-around performer in the company. He's a hell of a worker, and a great interview. As a face, I'm sure he was a turn off to some, like myself, but as heel, he's tremendous. I'm not surprised at the RVD turn-off. The depush is somewhat responsible, but the lack of character development, is also responsible. He's not entertaining to listen to. His interviews sound like he's reading from a script, instead of being a natural like Angle. And he's not good enough in the ring to off-set this problem, like with Benoit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jimmy no nose Report post Posted March 8, 2002 Why are they stupid? It shows how many people turn off or on the show based on who's on. What I find interesting is that Angle out draws everyone and he is constantly on a roller coaster push. I also thought that the fact that Angle gets the most viewers of any wrestler was interesting. More interesting, though is that Vince gets more than he does. Maybe it's because people assume he may make a big announcement at any time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted March 8, 2002 I think Vince reads those numbers. He must get a big smile on his face when he sees his number. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 8, 2002 Listen RVD's last 2 interviews (Which would encompass the last 5 months....) Were fine. Everyone admitted they were fine...and that his talking isn't the problem it is made out to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CB2M Report post Posted March 8, 2002 "Listen" Okay.... "RVD's last 2 interviews (Which would encompass the last 5 months....) Were fine." I saw one that he did before No Way Out that was quite horrible. "Everyone admitted they were fine..." Now, I don't come here that often, but I never see anyone talk about them, probably because they're not worth talking about. "and that his talking isn't the problem it is made out to be." You're right, it's the combination of not being able to work "WWF style" and not being able to cut interviews. It's a double edged sword. Bottom line, he's not cut out for the WWF. Too bad ECW folded, where he fit right in..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 8, 2002 That's stupid. He's cut exactly 2 promos in the last month or longer. The Heat before No Way Out (and everyone agreed it was good) and The Raw with Storm (No complaints from anyone) He doesn't get 20 minutes every show...he gets 20 minutes every year. AND THEY AREN'T BAD. Of course no one is talking about them...they don't happen very often. Not cut out for the WWF? He' over isn't he? That's all that matters in the WWF. Hulk Hogan has NO talent..but he's the biggest star ever. Why? Because being popular is all you need in the WWF. Fucking biased idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Report post Posted March 8, 2002 RVD's promos are god-awful, and there are plenty of people who think so. I think it's funny that the RVD mark is accusing people of being biased because they don't think his flip-flopping and 9th grade weed talk is entertaining. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 8, 2002 So we know for a fact that Hogan Made Wrestling didn't see either of the two interviews that RVD cut in the last month...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 8, 2002 "Listen" Okay.... "RVD's last 2 interviews (Which would encompass the last 5 months....) Were fine." I saw one that he did before No Way Out that was quite horrible. "Everyone admitted they were fine..." Now, I don't come here that often, but I never see anyone talk about them, probably because they're not worth talking about. "and that his talking isn't the problem it is made out to be." You're right, it's the combination of not being able to work "WWF style" and not being able to cut interviews. It's a double edged sword. Bottom line, he's not cut out for the WWF. Too bad ECW folded, where he fit right in..... Oh, come on. Hey, I can see both sides of the argument. His Unforgiven Promo was awful. But everything he has tried (Except maybe Vengeance) since has been really good. The Austin ones were funny, as was No Way Out. I didn't see the Storm one. You just seem to hate RVD and are looking for a reason to have him depushed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Vanilla Midget Report post Posted March 8, 2002 "Listen" Okay.... "RVD's last 2 interviews (Which would encompass the last 5 months....) Were fine." I saw one that he did before No Way Out that was quite horrible. "Everyone admitted they were fine..." Now, I don't come here that often, but I never see anyone talk about them, probably because they're not worth talking about. "and that his talking isn't the problem it is made out to be." You're right, it's the combination of not being able to work "WWF style" and not being able to cut interviews. It's a double edged sword. Bottom line, he's not cut out for the WWF. Too bad ECW folded, where he fit right in..... are you serious?? what do you expect, people to be raving about rvd's promo a month later? it *was* a good promo, it wasnt flashy or groundbreaking, but it served its purpose, which was all he needed to do. also, his promo on raw was quite good as well, as it actually helped to get storm over for their match and gave it backstory, you are way off base there buddy and your little piece about rvd not being fit for the wwf style, thats not really a valid argument. rvd has shown he has cut a servicable promo, and by your logic benoit should also be fired for not fitting the wwf style. he has adapted well, and is climbing the ladder. you would have a decent argument were the facts you use actually true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Vanilla Midget Report post Posted March 8, 2002 RVD's promos are god-awful, and there are plenty of people who think so. I think it's funny that the RVD mark is accusing people of being biased because they don't think his flip-flopping and 9th grade weed talk is entertaining. so the hogan interview with E! where he supposedly spoke about the nwo needing a cartoon made about them passes for high intellect nowadays? and while rvd may be "flip floppy 9th grade weed talk," at least he isnt a geriatric relic of the 1980's trying desperately to cling to his past glories. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Report post Posted March 8, 2002 As for the topic itself: "Kurt Angle +250,000" Good. Angle is one of the best all-around performers in the business. "Steve Austin +145,000" Good. See above. "Booker T -159,000" Good. Booker T sucks. "Ric Flair +210,000" Good. Flair's feud with Undertaker has been interesting so far, as was his work with McMahon. "Godfather -159,000" Good. Godfather is worthless. "Billy & Chuck -190,000" Bad. The best tag team going today in the WWF. "Hall & Nash -25,000" Indifferent. Neither guy has done much to move me, one way or the other. "Hulk Hogan +22,000" Good. Hogan's work in the WWF so far has been solid, and I'm eagrely anticipating his match at WM. "HHH +164,000" Indifferent. HHH doesn't really do it for me one way or the other. Although I do like the fact that this will piss off all the whiny HHH haters. "Jazz -127,000" Good. Jazz is just awful. "Chris Jericho +190,000" Indifferent. Jericho is good sometimes, bad other times, always worth having on the show. "Stephanie +117,000" Bad. Stephanie sounds like shit. "Vince +318,000" Good. When Vince is on the show, things happen. "Rock +127,000" Good. The Rock is Awesome. "Lance Storm +0" Indifferent. Storm is overrated, but there's nothing offensive about him, unlike the last two. "Undertaker -17,000" Good. Undertaker is really boring, although his last couple of feuds have been passable. "Rob Van Dam -32,000" Good. As Scott Keith once said, "you can't spell overrated without R V D". RVD sucks, his mic skills suck, and his matches are closer to gymnastics than they are to wrestling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Vanilla Midget Report post Posted March 8, 2002 well, if SK said it then it *has* to be true... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 8, 2002 Hell, RVD doesn't even REMEMBER the 80's. (For reasons we won't get into) But the point is, Hulk (and apparently you)needs to realize that it that it IS not the 80's anymore, and a)It's time to let other people have the spotlight and b)Fans interests change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Report post Posted March 8, 2002 "well, if SK said it then it *has* to be true..." Uhhh, ok. So I guess no one is allowed to have the same opinion as Scott Keith does, right? "a)It's time to let other people have the spotlight" Only if those people are actually worth watching (Rock, HHH, Jericho, Angle, Benoit, etc.). "b)Fans interests change." Meaning what exactly? That I have to like RVD because other people do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Vanilla Midget Report post Posted March 8, 2002 "well, if SK said it then it *has* to be true..." Uhhh, ok. So I guess no one is allowed to have the same opinion as Scott Keith does, right? oh, you can have that opinion, but the way you said it implied that we should take it as gospel *just* because it was said by SK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted March 8, 2002 How did this thread get turned into RVD vs. Hogan? This is actually somewhat entertaining read. ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 8, 2002 "a)It's time to let other people have the spotlight" Only if those people are actually worth watching (Rock, HHH, Jericho, Angle, Benoit, etc.). "b)Fans interests change." Meaning what exactly? That I have to like RVD because other people do? a)What do you think the average age is there? If the average age for a wrestler to retire is about 37 or so, three of those four don't have much longer to go. New people have to come up. b) No, but you don't have much say in the matter. Van Dam has every right to be elevated because the fans like him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 8, 2002 A. You can't reference Keith's opinions as facts B. If you decided who was entertaining...Hogan would be on TV all the time. For you are a mark for marks sake. I make a lot of anti RVD comments when they are true (RE: His poor selling, inability to work a non high risk style) It is possible to be a fan and unbiased. C. How do you get "Meaning what exactly? That I have to like RVD because other people do? " out of "fans interests change"? Your really reaching to justify your blind hatred...which is amusing given your love of a man with no discernable talent. C. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
