Something I hate

[Guest godthedog]

i, for one, love the german suplex spot. it's one of those things i can always count on in a benoit/angle match, & it will never stop looking great. it fits their characters, it's a game of one-upsmanship and saying "look, bitch, this is MY move and i'm gonna FUCK YOU UP with it..." "no, this is MY move, and i'm gonna KILL YOU with it..." and if benoit & angle have the will to slap on their finisher while they're still in the other guy's finisher, then they can tough it out through the multiple german suplexes.

 

now i'll agree that the selling in general of multiple germans is a lot less than what it could be (and last year i was pissed that austin didn't sell the 10 germans like death), but long-term selling of big moves is a huge problem for the whole fed, and it's kinda stupid to single out the german suplex example.

 

also, i'm surprised that i didn't see anybody bring up the benoit/angle cage match from raw. aside from high-flying moves, all the offense in that match consisted of repeated gutwrenches, repeated vertical suplexes, & a whole lotta germans.

 

then there's the austin/angle summerslam match (possibly the best match of 2001), which also had a whole lotta germans, & plenty of other repeated moves.

[Guest Brian]

But when they do the repeat-reversal spot with it, one of the guys ends up no-selling a bunch of suplexes to pull off his which is my real problem with it.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

It's a game of "count how many suplexes they do that mean nothing" and it kills any fear of the move.

[Guest caboose]

Considering that Benoit pinned The Rock with ONE German Suplex two months into his WWF career, and now Benoit and Angle trade ten and both get up, I'd say the move is effectively buried. It really started when Benoit gave Austin all those Germans in Edmonton back in June of 2001.

[Guest geniusMoment]

How about using the head, arm and leg tazplex, the most brutal suplex taz ever unleashed. Very few men were willing to take it, Mikey and Sabu were the only two I ever saw take it. They showed it on the ECW opening for a couple of years, it was the spot were it looked as if Mikeys head was seperated from his body.

[Guest geniusMoment]

Also for the head, arm and leg tazplex you have to be able to get the persons foot up onto your shoulder, that means the person has to be flexible and can't be that much shorter then you.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

How about using the head, arm and leg tazplex, the most brutal suplex taz ever unleashed. Very few men were willing to take it, Mikey and Sabu were the only two I ever saw take it. They showed it on the ECW opening for a couple of years, it was the spot were it looked as if Mikeys head was seperated from his body.

Eh...I liked the Tazzmissionplex better.

[Guest geniusMoment]

I just rewatched Taz giving Sabu the tazmission plex through the table in the corner about an hour ago. "Shane Douglas said it I do the heist and he pays the price"

After watching Team Angle form tonight I had to go back and watch some Team Taz

[Guest Mr. Slim Citrus]

Considering that Benoit pinned The Rock with ONE German Suplex two months into his WWF career, and now Benoit and Angle trade ten and both get up, I'd say the move is effectively buried. It really started when Benoit gave Austin all those Germans in Edmonton back in June of 2001.

Sad but (probably) true. What was once a borderline finsher is now a cheap pop.

 

Rolling Germans = People's Elbow for good workers...

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Moves don't get "stale" if they actually get the pin, because in that case they are being built up as feared finishers that will end the match when they are hit. Someone needs to actually start getting pins of things like the rolling Germans in which case it becomes a spot that has meaning rather than just a version of "count punches from the top turnbuckle" for the 2000s.

 

Of course, you get the other side of the coin, which is people complaining about matches ending on what they perceive as "transition moves". For instance, I remember a bunch of people bitching because Angle pinned Booker T clean during the Invasion with a beautiful bridging German suplex, because it made him and WCW look "weak" losing to a move that isn't Angle's "real" finisher.

[Guest creativename]

Of course, you get the other side of the coin, which is people complaining about matches ending on what they perceive as "transition moves". For instance, I remember a bunch of people bitching because Angle pinned Booker T clean during the Invasion with a beautiful bridging German suplex, because it made him and WCW look "weak" losing to a move that isn't Angle's "real" finisher.

That's because it was pretty much an isolated incident.

 

If the WWE made a concerted effort to make it more common for a match to end on a "regular" move, then it wouldn't bury a guy to lose to one. However they are far more likely to go on a two week run where lots of matches end without finishers, then say "hey we've established normal moves again" and then forget about it.

 

And I wholeheartedly agree with everyone that the German spot has become incredibly overused. The German is almost at clothesline levels of tedium now (well, that's an exaggeration, but nobody sells Germans after the move anymore). Hopefully at the Rumble Angle and Benoit will bust out some new moves, rather than the same shit they've been doing for months. It's good shit...but new shit would be better.

[Guest TheyCallMeMark]

I agree with the initial poster.

 

But more importantly why the hell does Angle do it? Every time he does it he gets comepletely shown up by Benoit, who does it way better. Angle always just looks like he's falling backwards while Benoit has a nice snapping thing going on.

[Guest godthedog]

I agree with the initial poster.

 

But more importantly why the hell does Angle do it? Every time he does it he gets comepletely shown up by Benoit, who does it way better. Angle always just looks like he's falling backwards while Benoit has a nice snapping thing going on.

but benoit also takes them better than angle too, landing on his shoulders instead of his back, so it all evens out.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

does it always have to be 3 of the same suplex every time?  How about a change up like German-Tiger-Dragon.

Good point--Benoit hardly ever uses the Dragon Suplex anymore, sadly.

Well, the WWE banned the Dragon because of it's it head-drop, so that's why it's only used for special matches.

 

I don't know why an okay worker like Taz can come up with 5000 different cool suplex variations in a match and our boys Angle and Benoit only use three.

 

I'd like to see the Backdrop Suplex or Backdrop Driver from Team Angle.

 

 

BTW, lets start a list of all the suplexs we know:

 

Vertical Suplex

Reverse Vertical Suplex

Fisherman Suplex

Gutwrench Suplex

Twisting Fisherman Suplex

Dragon Suplex

Tiger Suplex

Reverse Tiger Suplex

Overhead Belly-to-Belly

Side Belly-to-Belly

Electric Chair Suplex

Backdrop Suplex

Belly-to-Back Suplex

Northern Lights Suplex

T-Bone Suplex

Tazzmission Suplex

Superplex

Super-Belly-to-Back Suplex

Front Suplex

Russian Neck Suplex

Wheelbarrow Suplex

Super Reverse Vertical Suplex

STK

 

 

 

What did I miss?

[Guest RickyChosyu]

"I don't know why an okay worker like Taz can come up with 5000 different cool suplex variations in a match and our boys Angle and Benoit only use three."

 

Because few of his suplexes were safe. How many of those suplex variations did you see him bust out in his WWF run? He used about two of them, as memory serves. It's a lot harder to be unique when you have to factor in the well being of the other guy.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

"I don't know why an okay worker like Taz can come up with 5000 different cool suplex variations in a match and our boys Angle and Benoit only use three."

 

Because few of his suplexes were safe. How many of those suplex variations did you see him bust out in his WWF run? He used about two of them, as memory serves. It's a lot harder to be unique when you have to factor in the well being of the other guy.

Good point. But what makes the Dragon Suplex any safer? That looks like a wicked head drop.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

"I don't know why an okay worker like Taz can come up with 5000 different cool suplex variations in a match and our boys Angle and Benoit only use three."

 

Because few of his suplexes were safe. How many of those suplex variations did you see him bust out in his WWF run? He used about two of them, as memory serves. It's a lot harder to be unique when you have to factor in the well being of the other guy.

Good point. But what makes the Dragon Suplex any safer? That looks like a wicked head drop.

Yes, but it's a protected head bump. The guy doing it bridges so that he takes a great deal of the impact away from his opponent's head. Tazz's sulexes just dumped the guy right on his head with no protection at all.

 

And even the Dragon Suplex is hardly ever seen.

[Guest Imarkout4chrisdaniels]

Suplex left out that I have always wanted to see more of........Japanese Ocean Cyclone Suplex

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Insane Bump Machine, why do you have Team Angle superimposed on the French flag?

[Guest eiker_ir]

i just saw the Angle vs. Benoit vs. Jericho match at WM 2000, and when Angle took that Dragon suplex, he landed right on his head, it looked pretty dangerous, maybe this is why it was banned...

 

check it out, the Dragon Suplex is in the last 2 minutes of the match

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I only missed one suplex?!!!?

 

 

I am da man!

[Guest Insane Bump Machine]

Insane Bump Machine, why do you have Team Angle superimposed on the French flag?

Yeah, I noticed that too.