power matches & the tag divison

[Guest tombstone]

I didnt want to get in the way of a classic smarky fight.

 

1 - But, power matches rule.  Nothing compares to a properly executed powerbomb or full neslon slam.

You cant fail to be impressed when a 6' 8" man slams a 7' man and the whole damn arena shakes a bit.

Its the basis of pro wrestling for 90% of people.

 

What needs to happen is for Kane - Taker - Test to run these matches through so we dont get the botched spots and super slow wrestling of ratings death boredom.

 

A properly executed HOSS MATCH is a joy to behold.

Also remember that hosses have their uses for tossing about smaller men (Taker - Michaels @ Bad Blood) in a very convincing a sore looking manner.

 

2 - the tag divison sucks.

E & C are history.  The Hardys lost all their heat with that aborted feud.  The Dudleys are so stale they have blue spots.  Billy & Chuck and the APA just plain SUCK.

 

To save the division, get a decent team of top - mid liners together to hold the straps for a while ( a la Jericho - Benoit).

Also Booker T & Test are a handy team.

Turn the Hardys heel (hardcore cruiserweights) and the Dudleys face.  The APA could go heel as well (start extracting protection money from little guys, Im amazed they ahvent done this already).

With Rey apparently in ciontract talks, he & Kidman could team again.

OR the WWF could promote Lesnar & Benjamin, team Raven & Saturn together or promote people like Jamie Knoble and Shannon Moore.

 

Just a thought.

[Guest Anglesault]

Key words-properly executed.

 

Kane-Taker-Test SUCK and are known for blowing spots and injuring opponents. I Love Vader and Bigelow in their prime, so it's not a hate of big men, it's a hate of suck.

 

Also Booker T & Test are a handy team.

 

No, they AREN'T. Booker is good. Test is not. Booker is over. Test is not. Booker deserves so much more than to have to try and get Shane's buddy over.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Even Taker was good in his prime.  But Nash, Test & Kane have always sucked.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I don't think that Kane sucks.

 

He sucks against other big men...but at least he can be carried by a slightly better than average little man.

 

Nash could only be carried by the 2 best.

 

Test sucks.

[Guest Anglesault]

I think someone that needs to be carried to get a decent match sucks. (Kane)

 

I think someone who can't get a decent match with a great wrestler sucks even more (Test)

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

But when looking at "big men"...their ability to be carried is what makes them good.

 

They live by different standards.

[Guest red_file]

Why is it that big men tend to be sloppy in the ring?  Is it merely a factor of their being pushed too fast because of their size and not having a chance to develope the fundamentals, or is it based on some fundamental problem of larger men being clumbsy?  Probably the former.  Yet the latter does gain support from the dearth of agile, proficient big men in the business.

 

As to Booker/Test, it actually kinda makes sense for a team.  It would keep Test out of singles competition and actually give Booker a role in a division where politics might not keep him down.  And, perhaps not the most important reason, they seem to have a decent chemistry in the backstage skits.  I'm sure we'd all rather see Test just disappear, but if he has to stay there are worse places he could be than the virtually decimated tag scene.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

No...Booker has good chemistry in backstage skits...Test walks in and says something stupid.

[Guest Anglesault]

Why is it that big men tend to be sloppy in the ring?  Is it merely a factor of their being pushed too fast because of their size and not having a chance to develope the fundamentals, or is it based on some fundamental problem of larger men being clumbsy?  Probably the former.  Yet the latter does gain support from the dearth of agile, proficient big men in the business.

 

As to Booker/Test, it actually kinda makes sense for a team.  It would keep Test out of singles competition and actually give Booker a role in a division where politics might not keep him down.  And, perhaps not the most important reason, they seem to have a decent chemistry in the backstage skits.  I'm sure we'd all rather see Test just disappear, but if he has to stay there are worse places he could be than the virtually decimated tag scene.

My take on why Big Men are sloppy.

 

Taker: Used to be pretty good, Sloppy now to age and poor health, compiled with an "Oh Fuck it" attitude

 

Kane: Out of shape, knows he will be pushed on size alone.

 

Test: Knows that Shane will push him no matter what, refuses to improve.

 

 

The problem with a Booker/Test team is that no one cares about Test and it will only kill any hope for Booker.

[Guest teke184]

Test's ***+ matches that I can find:

 

vs. Shane at Summerslam 1999 (Love Her Or Leave Her match)

vs. Edge at Survivor Series 2001

T+A and Trish vs. Hardyz and Lita at Fully Loaded 2000

vs. Eddy at Wrestlemania X-7

 

That's not good considering that Eddy and Edge carried two of the singles matches and that Shane's bumps made the third one.

[Guest Anglesault]

Test fans will claim his matches suck because his isn't used correctly.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

hell im not a test fan, but he does suck because he isnt being used properly.  if test was used properly, he wouldn't be used at all.

[Guest red_file]

The problem with a Booker/Test team is that no one cares about Test and it will only kill any hope for Booker.

I think we kinda have to face the terrible truth about Booker: he's never going to be legitimately pushed.  Whether it's politics from the WCW days, inherent racism in the WWF, or a general lack of interest in seeing him succeed, the front office doesn't seem to have any long term plans of making Booker into a star.  Now, of course, he might suceed in spite of the lack of interest; he went very far in WCW when no one wanted him and capitalized on a lucky lawsuit.

 

Putting him with Test makes perfect sense because, as has been mentioned, Test will get pushed regardless of heat or ability.  If Booker is coupled with him he too shall be pushed.  While the tag ranks are not quite the main event scene, they are certainly better than wasting in the singles midcard (assuming the tag scene gets straightened out).  Test might even be able to learn some things from Booker if they're paired together long enough.  Doubtful, but possible.

[Guest teke184]

By the time he's out of the WWF, Booker T will be THE most decorated tag champion in history.  He already has about 11 WCW tag reigns, another few in Global, and 1 so far in the WWF.  That makes him one of the most decorated tag wrestlers in history, with Mick Foley, the Steiners, and the Dudleyz being the other ones I can think of.

 

Foley has about 11 tag reigns (8 in the WWF, 2(?) in ECW, 1 in WCW)

 

The Steiners have 6 WCW tag titles together and a few with other partners (Rick had tag reigns with 3 partners besides Scott in late 1998 alone), not counting reigns they may have had in Japanese promotions or other promotions I don't follow.

 

The Dudleys had 8 reigns in ECW (not sure how many of those were by Devon and Bubba Ray), 1 in WCW, and 6 in the WWF.

[Guest El Satanico]

Well i don't really care much for big man vs. big man matches. I haven't seen very many that were executed well.

 

I think one reason that big men appear sloppy in WWF is that it's how WWF likes them. Vince seems to like his big men to wrestle sloth like. I wouldn't be surprised if Vince tells them to cut down on the moves and wrestle like a giant. I mean honestly how many big guys in WWF have wrestled without moving like a giant I for one can't think of many. Undertaker use to have a few moves that took him off his feet but he was still slow methodical guy and that's what Kane's like now.

[Guest Dangerous A]

Booker and Test could be a good team. They have to get him to stop doing things that go against what he is bad at. Mainly attempting to show charisma. He needs to try the bad ass thing. The ladies man thing really exposes his weaknesses. Plus he already had a built in bad ass gimmick with the immunity thing. They are not utilizing a tool for this man to succeed. Somone on the writing team has to be ribbing Test to have to make him act like the total ass he is on tv week in and week out. Booker is the same. I'll agree with bps that Booker has enough charisma to get himself over in the backstage skits, but come on. Someone has got to be ribbing him too. I think there is enough damage done to Booker's character that he may never be seen as a legit threat again. Yeah, I know, all he needs is to be put over HHH and Taker and Austin and everything will be alright. But even with a push like that, will the fans buy it? Can he draw MONEY? The damage has been done folks. I don't think he can draw (main event draw) again. Just imagine that stupid ass look he gives to his hand. Think the fans get behind that bullshit? I know I don't

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I really hate big men, if you ask me the reason they're so sloppy is because they're not hired for their wrestling ability but because they have the LOOK. They are allowed to suck and injure the other wrestlers because Vine has a big man fetish.

[Guest Anglesault]

Booker and Test could be a good team. They have to get him to stop doing things that go against what he is bad at. Mainly attempting to show charisma. He needs to try the bad ass thing. The ladies man thing really exposes his weaknesses. Plus he already had a built in bad ass gimmick with the immunity thing. They are not utilizing a tool for this man to succeed. Somone on the writing team has to be ribbing Test to have to make him act like the total ass he is on tv week in and week out. Booker is the same. I'll agree with bps that Booker has enough charisma to get himself over in the backstage skits, but come on. Someone has got to be ribbing him too. I think there is enough damage done to Booker's character that he may never be seen as a legit threat again. Yeah, I know, all he needs is to be put over HHH and Taker and Austin and everything will be alright. But even with a push like that, will the fans buy it? Can he draw MONEY? The damage has been done folks. I don't think he can draw (main event draw) again. Just imagine that stupid ass look he gives to his hand. Think the fans get behind that bullshit? I know I don't

But Test deserves it. Booker doesn't.

[Guest goodhelmet]

OK, correction needed. Power matches don't rule but certain power moves are awesome.

 

As for Booker T, he was doing the damn spinaroonie long before Madden, long before he channeled the spirit of the hand, and long before he was fighting over shampoo. When he used to do it, it seemed so natural and fluid. Now it looks forced and contrived.

 

"Just imagine that stupid ass look he gives to his hand. "

 

As for the hand, the fans will get behind anything the WWF tell them to get behind. What? listening to a watch What?

Points to self RVD. Just Bring It! Sucka.

 

It's all the same shit!