Raw rating notes - 12/16

[Guest bcu1979]

From the Observer:

 

The Triple H/Steiner interview was a bit hit. It did a 4.43 overrun, which was the highest for RAW since the TLC match. It also added almost 900,000 viewers from the previous segment.

 

Other winners were the Christian/Goldust match which added 500,00 viewers and the Booker/Jericho match which added 265,000 viewers later in the show.

 

The Kane/RVD interview lost 134,000 viewers and their match with Three Minute Warning and Batista only gained back 76,000 viewers in the 10 pm slot.

 

Storm/Regal v. Dudleys and Jeff Hardy/D'Lo lost 160,000 viewers.

 

I know there's other factors that determine why segments gain or lose ratings. But it seems like there are starting to be some trends with some wrestlers consistently adding viewers - Steiner, Bookdust, Jerichristian - and others consistently losing viewers - Storm/Regal, Three Minute Warning, Kane.

[Guest webmasterofwrestlegame]

Interesting thing for me is that it seems as though it is now a situation where HHH needs the right opponent to pop a rating (and probably PPV buyrate), whereas there was a time when it would be HHH popping the buyrate on his own merit and his opponent maynot matter.

 

EDIT: Of course, it could be that fans haven't seen HHH beat Steiner yet and think that that he might have a small, small chance of beating HHH.

 

Wouldn't work with the rest of the roster as HHH has beat them so often.

[Guest Angle-plex]

I personally think the Steiner/HHH feud has been booked pretty good so far. Hopefully, Steiner will get a clean win on Trips sometime down the road.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

others consistently losing viewers - Storm/Regal, Three Minute Warning, Kane.

What about Batista?

 

And I'm going to risk certain doom by suggesting RVD again here as well. His much-ballyhooed match with HBK was a ratings bomb, and now a minute-long quickie skit with him doing most the talking lost twice as many viewers as an actual match.

 

Of course, if it happened at an :00 or :30 mark, it might be people leaving to switch to a sitcom or something, I guess.

[Guest cabbageboy]

Sadly enough that RVD/Kane skit was hilarious so I can't see why it lost so many viewers. Oh wait, Kane. Duh.

[Guest Angle-plex]

others consistently losing viewers - Storm/Regal, Three Minute Warning, Kane.

And I'm going to risk certain doom by suggesting RVD again here as well. His much-ballyhooed match with HBK was a ratings bomb, and now a minute-long quickie skit with him doing most the talking lost twice as many viewers as an actual match.

I wouldn't blame it on RVD yet. I'm an RVD fan, and even I couldn't stand to watch a RVD/Kane vs Fat Samoans match (let alone the REMATCH they did this monday). When RVD is in a big angle, then the ratings flop, that's when you can start blaming him.

[NYU 0]

As for RVD's match with HBK, I believe that it's HBK who's the cause for the low rating. I mean, according to rumors, the Armageddon buy-rate was the worst one in years. And who Main-Evented that one ? HBK. And as for RVD/Kane vs. Three Minute Warning, I'm a huge RVD fan and I flipped channels that first match and didn't even watch the second one. If WWE refuses to put RVD in any type of angle, then where is the incentive to watch ? Notice that these "ratings bombs" - Storm/Regal, Three Minute Warning, Kane....they don't have any type of angle and haven't had one for months. Meanwhile, Steiner, Black Gold, and Jerichristian HAVE had good ratings, while having angles as well. Coincidence ? Not really.

 

I'm kinda getting off-topic here, but the point is that it's difficult to call ANYONE a ratings-bomb. Especially RVD, considering he hasn't gotten an angle in months and has repeat matches against people like Three Minute Warning.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Sadly enough that RVD/Kane skit was hilarious so I can't see why it lost so many viewers. Oh wait, Kane. Duh.

Don't blame to hoss, man. They're carrying the WWE right now.

[/sarcasm]

 

I bet HHH is just reading this online singing him them music to himself right now, "It's all about the game-uhh"

[Guest Retro Rob]

I mean, according to rumors, the Armageddon buy-rate was the worst one in years.

It's way too early for anyone to make an accurate prediction as to the Armageddon buyrate.

[Guest Mole]

Well, I hope this means Booker and Jericho are going to get a push, well, it should mean that.

[Guest Mole]

Well, I hope this means Booker and Jericho are going to get a push, well, it should mean that.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Sadly enough that RVD/Kane skit was hilarious so I can't see why it lost so many viewers. Oh wait, Kane. Duh.

You say that like it's obviously all entirely his fault.

[Guest EternallyLazy]

I've never seen any indication that RVD is a ratings draw. You could argue against that, saying that he's never been given the chance, but that's complete bullshit. RVD seems to have the Hogan like trait that he gets huge pops at arenas but doesn't do shit as far as the ratings are concerned.

 

I'm not an RVD basher, I'm just saying...

 

And I hate HHH as much as almost everyone here, but ratings show that people don't turn the tv off when he's on... so until they do, he's going to continue to be pushed.

[Guest CanadianChick]

As for RVD's match with HBK, I believe that it's HBK who's the cause for the low rating. I mean, according to rumors, the Armageddon buy-rate was the worst one in years. And who Main-Evented that one ? HBK. And as for RVD/Kane vs. Three Minute Warning, I'm a huge RVD fan and I flipped channels that first match and didn't even watch the second one. If WWE refuses to put RVD in any type of angle, then where is the incentive to watch ? Notice that these "ratings bombs" - Storm/Regal, Three Minute Warning, Kane....they don't have any type of angle and haven't had one for months. Meanwhile, Steiner, Black Gold, and Jerichristian HAVE had good ratings, while having angles as well. Coincidence ? Not really.

I think that's a really good point. If it is 9:00 (actuallly 6:00 for me) and the opening match is 4 guys who WWE don't give me a reason to care about them, why should I watch the match instead of a Simpsons rerun?

 

Oh yeah, and with the RVD/Kane segment, as much as I like RVD, there were two people in that segment; it's not all Kane's fault. BUt I'm thinking, since it was a small segment, maybe people just assumed that the previous segment was the last until commericial, if you catch my drift. Because I do that a lot, but it could just be me.

[Guest bcu1979]

I've never seen any indication that RVD is a ratings draw. You could argue against that, saying that he's never been given the chance, but that's complete bullshit. RVD seems to have the Hogan like trait that he gets huge pops at arenas but doesn't do shit as far as the ratings are concerned.

 

I'm not an RVD basher, I'm just saying...

 

And I hate HHH as much as almost everyone here, but ratings show that people don't turn the tv off when he's on... so until they do, he's going to continue to be pushed.

But the ratings have not indicated that Triple H is a big draw or that he deserves to be treated as THE star on the RAW show either. Yes, his segment with Steiner was a big hit. But I think a lot of that has to with Steiner being a fresh face and the strong job they have done building him up.

 

For a while the highest rated segment of the show was the 10:00 tag match with some combo of Booker/Goldust and Jericho/Christian. The main event slot with Triple H was usually a disappointment as a lot of people tuned out in the second hour.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I've never seen any indication that RVD is a ratings draw. You could argue against that, saying that he's never been given the chance, but that's complete bullshit

 

How is it complete bs? Has he ever been the focused wrestler of Raw? When he had a good storyline going, did his segments drop the rating? I don't think so. Also before this, HHH/HBK weren't exactly getting great ratings. Why did he stay in the main event? he wasn't drawing then either...

[Guest the pinjockey]

So the main event HHH segment hasn't popped a rating in months, but now that he did it one time after the potential showdown being mentioned at least once every ten minutes it is supposed to justify his spot, um no.

[Guest Downhome]

So the main event HHH segment hasn't popped a rating in months, but now that he did it one time after the potential showdown being mentioned at least once every ten minutes it is supposed to justify his spot, um no.

Not at all, but it is a good sign for Steiner. Let's just see how this all plays out for the next 1-2 months, then we'll see if these ratings mean anything, as they usually do not.

[Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767]

What I like is how everyone is tripping over themselves to find reasons why the RVD segment LOST viewers without blaming RVD himself, and why HHH should not get any credit for an angle that he was a part of.

[Guest Loss4Words]

For what it's worth, the stated reason by the WWF for depushing RVD last fall was that his segments with Rock and Austin weren't drawing ratings. Not saying he's not a draw, I'm just saying that even when he was programmed in big storylines, he failed to rock the boat.

 

I don't consider that his fault though.

[Guest CanadianChick]

What I like is how everyone is tripping over themselves to find reasons why the RVD segment LOST viewers without blaming RVD himself, and why HHH should not get any credit for an angle that he was a part of.

About the Triple H/Steiner thing. I think that Steiner should get most the credit, but of course he shouldn't get 100%. Just as there were two people to blame in that RVD/Kane segment, there are two people that should get credit regarding Triple H/Steiner. But I think that since the most recent HHH programs haven't garnered ratings, Steiner should get the majority of the credit. I hate Steiner, but I will give the devil his due and admit that he is somewhat of a draw for the time being. But there is no way that all the credit should go to Steiner or HHH; they both got the rating. Too bad it didn't really improve the overall rating though...

[Paul Stanley 0]

RVD can't draw, the person who said he has Hogan-trait is right.

 

Once the casual fans notice HHH is going to pull the same shit(Steiner jobs)

 

HHH: Scott..we all can't be happy..remember Dallas Page, Scott? remember..December of 2000. You killed Dallas Page backstage Scott! YOU ARE A MURDERER!

[Guest Angle-plex]

What I like is how everyone is tripping over themselves to find reasons why the RVD segment LOST viewers without blaming RVD himself, and why HHH should not get any credit for an angle that he was a part of.

Like I said, I'm an RVD fan, and even I had to flip channels when he was on. However, even though I despise them both, I watched Steiner/Trips because the story was interesting. If the match was Steiner & Triple H vs Fat Samoans, I would have turned it off.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Considering HHH is the top person on Raw, he should be getting good ratings.

[Guest CanadianChick]

RVD can't draw, the person who said he has Hogan-trait is right.

Just wondering, what is your proof of this? I don't think there is any proof whether or not he draws.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Whoopie--more HHH/Steiner on Raw now for sure.

 

Fuck you, Raw viewership.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

RVD can't draw, the person who said he has Hogan-trait is right.

Just wondering, what is your proof of this? I don't think there is any proof whether or not he draws.

Does he hold the 'honor' of having the worst and next to worst rated RAW main event in years?

 

Oh, BTW, I should hope HHH/Steiner drew in viewers considering the hype they gave the inevitable confrontation throughout the ENTIRE two hours.

[Guest Mole]

Whoopie--more HHH/Steiner on Raw now for sure.

 

Fuck you, Raw viewership.

Well, you can't blame Vince for putting them on Raw a lot. If they really are a draw, that means a higher rating for Raw, which is good. Plus, he did pay a few bucks for Steiner, so he might has well get his money's worth.

 

Do you guys really change the channel when something is on wrestling you don't like? Whenever wrestling is on I never change the channel, unless the Niners are playing on Monday night, so I can check the score out. If something is on I don't like, I just pay attention to the computer a little more.

[Guest TheArchiteck]

Whoopie--more HHH/Steiner on Raw now for sure.

 

Fuck you, Raw viewership.

Sorry,

but I like Stiener.

[Guest geniusMoment]

how much of the show I watch depends on what time of the year it is. If it is during baseball season I usually flip more. I kind of feel like I have to because at UC if you are on a sports team they usually have you room together and the general rule is people usually watch the sport they play. So I would be a pretty big dick if I didn't let him watch baseball considering that is the understanding that the team has when rooms are chosen. This runs through part of June because at UC we run on a trimester system