Kurt Cobain Murdered?

[Guest JAxlMorrison]

I was just wondering what some of you guys thought of this whole subject, I'm sure a few of you know more about it then I do.

 

I am about half way done this book called "Who Killed Kurt Cobain?" and here's what I have picked up so far.

 

1. In the autopsy of Cobain's body, he had three times the amount of heroin in his bloodstream that would normally kill someone. That supposedly makes it look like someone gave him a REALLY strong dose, then blew his head off when he nodded out, or OD'd. The amount of heroin in his system would have killed him instantly, hence making it pretty impossible for him to lift a shotgun and pull the trigger.

 

2. Cobain's prints weren't on the gun.

 

3. A few months before he died, Courtney Love asked an old friend of hers, a singer from LA who was known to be crazy and willing to do anything for money to kill Cobain and make it look like suicide. He agreed but when she called, he was on tour. He has passed a lie detector test when telling this story.

 

Well, that's as far as I have gotten........thoughts?

[Guest Bosstones Fan]

I'm as big a Nirvana fan as the next guy, but can we give this a rest already? WHO CARES? Kurt is dead, deal with it...

[Guest redbaron51]

I think already died of heroin, then somebody (probably Courtney) blew his head off, because she probably thought that he was sleeping

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

Courtney killed him. No doubt about that.

[Guest JAxlMorrison]

I'm as big a Nirvana fan as the next guy, but can we give this a rest already? WHO CARES? Kurt is dead, deal with it...

See the thing is, I'm not that big of a Nirvana fan. So, it's not like there is a personal interest there. I wasn't aware that this has been gone over before, so stop snapping at me like I am treading on sacred ground or something. I just thought it was interesting. And look at it this way? Why should it be let go? Why should Cobain's legacy be that of a heroin addict who blew his brains out if that isn't true? Doesn't he deserve justice? Nah you're right, let's just let it go. He's dead, who cares how it happened. (Sarcasm is fun.)

[Guest Flyboy]

<Vince> Kurt Cobain killed Kurt Cobain.

[Guest Sandman9000]

Gee, I wonder what CWM will think about this topic.

 

And my money is on the person who shot Tupac and Biggie.

[Guest Angle-plex]

Click here for a pretty good website by a guy who think Kurt was killed. Pretty interesting stuff.

[Guest Lethargic]

I am so sick of this crap. Kurt Cobain shot himself. He was the most suicidal person that ever lived but yet people can't believe he actually killed himself. I'm sure Courtney helped drive him to suicide but she didn't murder him.

[Guest JAxlMorrison]

I'm not really a conspiracy person Lethargic, but still, how can the guy blow his brains out when he has enough heroin in his system to kill him three times over?

[Guest TheyCallMeMark]

The amount of herione in his system wouldn't have allowed him to walk across the room and blow his brains out, simple as that. It couldn't of happened so it didn't.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

hello hello hello what have we here?

 

1. Cobain's drug paraphanalia were all carfully put awat on the oppisite side of the room, Cobain's sleeve's were rolled down and buttoned up. There's no way he could have done all that before the drugs would have taken affect.

 

2. After Kurt's death a man came forward saying Courtney once offered him money to kill Kurt, he passed a lie detector test but then died under mysterious circumstances.

 

3. Cobain's "suicide" note was written in two distinctly different hands. The first part in recognizably Cobain's hand read like a retirement note. The second part seemingly in a completly different note was the part talking of suicide.

 

4. Cobain had just turned down big bucks to tour for Lallapalooza. He had perhaps been seeing a divorce attorney.

 

5. Cobain's shotgun was fully loaded...you don't need multiple bullets to kill yourself.

 

 

There's lot's of other stuff, but that's a good start. One more:

 

6. Courtney's a fucking psycho.

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

hello hello hello what have we here?

 

1. Cobain's drug paraphanalia were all carfully put awat on the oppisite side of the room, Cobain's sleeve's were rolled down and buttoned up. There's no way he could have done all that before the drugs would have taken affect.

 

2. After Kurt's death a man came forward saying Courtney once offered him money to kill Kurt, he passed a lie detector test but then died under mysterious circumstances.

 

3. Cobain's "suicide" note was written in two distinctly different hands. The first part in recognizably Cobain's hand read like a retirement note. The second part seemingly in a completly different note was the part talking of suicide.

 

4. Cobain had just turned down big bucks to tour for Lallapalooza. He had perhaps been seeing a divorce attorney.

 

5. Cobain's shotgun was fully loaded...you don't need multiple bullets to kill yourself.

 

 

There's lot's of other stuff, but that's a good start. One more:

 

6. Courtney's a fucking psycho.

^--- is most likely 100% right.

 

1. I didn't hear anything about his sleeves being down, but you would know, so there ya go.

 

2. Eldon Hoke was the guy. He even started a band called "Courtney killed Kurt" and then died a few days later when HE WAS HIT BY A MOTHER FUCKING TRAIN.

 

3. Kurts note said nothing about suicide. Just that he was quitting music. Courtney also got a completely different note, saying he wanted a divorce.

 

4. Didn't hear about Lallapalooza, but once again, your probably right.

 

5. He also bought the shot gun days before he was in the hospital. I read somewhere that he had it for "protection" against Courtney, as he most likely knew she was going to kill him.

 

6. Yes.

[Guest crandamaniac]

Why do people always over look this fact? I know JAxl brought it up, but there were NO FINGERPRINTS on the gun. How the hell you going to shot yourself and not get a fingerprint on the gun. And how many suicidal folks you know worry about fingerprints?

[Guest Angle-plex]

SOMEONE WAS USING KURT'S CREDIT CARD

One of Kurt's credit cards was missing when his body was discovered.

 

Someone was attempting to use the missing credit card after Cobain died, but the attempts stopped when his body was discovered.

 

It probably could have been stolen before he died, but I don't think anyone else brought this up yet.

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

SOMEONE WAS USING KURT'S CREDIT CARD

One of Kurt's credit cards was missing when his body was discovered.

 

Someone was attempting to use the missing credit card after Cobain died, but the attempts stopped when his body was discovered.

 

It probably could have been stolen before he died, but I don't think anyone else brought this up yet.

I thought Courtney cancelled all his credit cards and the guy nanny she was planning with slashed Kurt's car tires.

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

I am so sick of this crap. Kurt Cobain shot himself. He was the most suicidal person that ever lived but yet people can't believe he actually killed himself. I'm sure Courtney helped drive him to suicide but she didn't murder him.

How was Kurt suicidal? He loved his daughter, and he wasnt acting suicidal in the last few weeks of his life.

[Guest Ram]

I would think that it'd be pretty fucking difficult to shoot yourself with a SHOTGUN.

 

And that's AFTER shooting up a shitload of heroin.

[Guest nl5xsk1]

I'd heard for years that it was Il Duce (singer for the band The Mentors) that killed Cobain.

 

I'm a total conspiracy theorist, and I totally think Courtney had him killed b/c he was going to leave her/leave music and she knew that she'd be nothing w/o him. (raises hands to shield himself from tomatoes thrown by Courtney/Hole fans)

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

(raises hands to shield himself from tomatoes thrown by Courtney/Hole fans)

Fans? Where?

[Guest cynicalprofit]

<Vince> Kurt Cobain killed Kurt Cobain.

Flyboy rules.

 

I'm sure Courtney helped drive him to suicide but she didn't murder him.

Im sure if I had to live with her I'd shoot myself.

 

I dont see why Kurt would do it. He had the world in his hands, whatever he wanted. He dindt have to play gigs he dindt want, he could leave his label and do whatever he wanted for the rest of his life. Even if you're suicidal, you cant be that bad with life being an open book for you.

 

I saw the kurt and courtney movie and there was a guy showing a pic of a guy on I think it was 2x as much herion as kurt was on. So i really dont know what to believe about the herion issue. Put I've never know of anyone on herion being able to do much of anything, let alone shoot themselves.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I've known people who have done heroin and I talked to them about it, they said he would have been totally fucked out of his mind and not able to do it.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I've known people who have done heroin and I talked to them about it, they said he would have been totally fucked out of his mind and not able to do it.

[Guest Banky]

I LOVE Nirvana - but COME ON. Have any of you read anything about his life? Any of you? Maybe some, but I'm sure the majority haven't. This is a guy who was obsessed with the fact that suicide ran in his family. He talked about killing himself many times before doing so. Moreover, he had OD'd enough times that many lost count. All of these statements were mentioned by numerous people.

 

Now many ask, WHY? Why would Kurt Cobain kill himself. Firstly, he was up to his neck in addiction. He was physically ill with stomach problems, as well as having marital issues. Many times he had tried to go to rehab but couldn't stick by it. So throughout 93-94 he was ravaged by the drug. Finally; his band, wife, and friends intervened. His wife said she'd leave him, the band said they'd break up, and the record label said they'd drop him if he didn't quit. Have all of this dropped on you, while knowing that quitting the drug is a battle he didn't want to face. The man realized committing suicide, what he always bragged about, was his only way out. it would make him a martyr, a hero to go out in a blaze of glory. Does that sound like bullshit? I don't think so - Cobain always cared about his image. He was so obsessed with being popular, rich, YET credible to the underground that all of his career moves were well thought out.

 

Now, as far as the suicide itself, its quit possible that Cobain was competant enough at the time to pull the trigger. As far as 3 times the normail limit, keep in mind that he has MANY times defied the odds during past suicide attempts. This guy had been swimming in heroin for the past 3 years, I'm sure he had a tolerance.

 

All the other evidence for all you guys know could be fabricated. Never once has there been an investigation into it, never once has ANY of his friends spoken up on the matter, rather it is conspiracy theorists, and people just trying to make an extra buck from the deceased making these claims. All I ask is for people to get the real facts straight. Do actual research on the matter before slandering Courtney Love. I hate her as much as anyone, but they genuinly had a loving relationship that soured because of drugs. And it wasn't Cobain who was threatening to loeave Courtney, it was vice versa. Everyone used the guy and left him when he needed them the most. There was no murder, for Cobain, there was no other way out.

[Guest Lethargic]

I'm not really a conspiracy person Lethargic, but still, how can the guy blow his brains out when he has enough heroin in his system to kill him three times over?

Come on. If that's what this whole conspiracy is based on, it's even weaker than I thought. Let's see, he shot himself up, grabbed a gun and shot himself. It's documented evidence that the police say he did that. He was making sure he did it. That if he shot himself up with enough junk that if he fucked up with the shotgun, he'd still die. It's not like he shot up with a million pounds of herion and then a hour later killed himself. It was a back to back thing.

[Guest Flyboy]

<Vince> Kurt Cobain killed Kurt Cobain.

Flyboy rules.

*bows*

 

I try.

 

I really do.

[Guest Lethargic]

I LOVE Nirvana - but COME ON. Have any of you read anything about his life? Any of you? Maybe some, but I'm sure the majority haven't. This is a guy who was obsessed with the fact that suicide ran in his family. He talked about killing himself many times before doing so. Moreover, he had OD'd enough times that many lost count. All of these statements were mentioned by numerous people.

 

Now many ask, WHY? Why would Kurt Cobain kill himself. Firstly, he was up to his neck in addiction. He was physically ill with stomach problems, as well as having marital issues. Many times he had tried to go to rehab but couldn't stick by it. So throughout 93-94 he was ravaged by the drug. Finally; his band, wife, and friends intervened. His wife said she'd leave him, the band said they'd break up, and the record label said they'd drop him if he didn't quit. Have all of this dropped on you, while knowing that quitting the drug is a battle he didn't want to face. The man realized committing suicide, what he always bragged about, was his only way out. it would make him a martyr, a hero to go out in a blaze of glory. Does that sound like bullshit? I don't think so - Cobain always cared about his image. He was so obsessed with being popular, rich, YET credible to the underground that all of his career moves were well thought out.

 

Now, as far as the suicide itself, its quit possible that Cobain was competant enough at the time to pull the trigger. As far as 3 times the normail limit, keep in mind that he has MANY times defied the odds during past suicide attempts. This guy had been swimming in heroin for the past 3 years, I'm sure he had a tolerance.

 

All the other evidence for all you guys know could be fabricated. Never once has there been an investigation into it, never once has ANY of his friends spoken up on the matter, rather it is conspiracy theorists, and people just trying to make an extra buck from the deceased making these claims. All I ask is for people to get the real facts straight. Do actual research on the matter before slandering Courtney Love. I hate her as much as anyone, but they genuinly had a loving relationship that soured because of drugs. And it wasn't Cobain who was threatening to loeave Courtney, it was vice versa. Everyone used the guy and left him when he needed them the most. There was no murder, for Cobain, there was no other way out.

Thank you, thank you. I was just fixing to say the exact same thing. Haven't any of you guys heard his music, read his lyrics, read his biography, read his journals, seen him in a interview? Have you ever HEARD of Kurt Cobain? Try doing some of that instead of watching bullshit documentaries like Kurt and Courtney which is filled with nothing but a bunch of morons trying to get their 15 seconds of fame or reading some jerk-off's website who has no idea what he's talking about.

 

Everybody here seems to have so many ideas that they throw out as complete facts. Shirtsleeves rolled up or down, fingerprints, blah blah blah. Ok, now everybody here who was at the the crime scene raise your hand. Everybody here that is with the Seattle PD raise their hand. That's what I thought. Get in the real world, if all this stuff was true, don't you think the friggin POLICE would know it??? I guess Courtney must've paid them off.

 

All this crap was started by people that wanna try to make money off a dead celebrity and obsessed fans that can't get over the fact that their hero killed himself and left a suicide note that basically put a lot of blame on them for it. Not one person with real evidence, real connection or any shred of credibility at all has said anything about this.

[Guest TheyCallMeMark]

I LOVE Nirvana - but COME ON. Have any of you read anything about his life? Any of you? Maybe some, but I'm sure the majority haven't. This is a guy who was obsessed with the fact that suicide ran in his family. He talked about killing himself many times before doing so.

 

Kurt's good friend in Seattle, I can't recall his name, said Kurt was the happiest he'd been in a long time in the three or four weeks before the murder. The guy basically said there was no reason to think he would have killed himself. Krist Novoselic said the same exact thing. And I think they'd have a pretty good idea, don't you?

 

Moreover, he had OD'd enough times that many lost count. All of these statements were mentioned by numerous people

 

Does OD'ing mean your suicidal? Where did you get that memo? And I recall exactly ONE time he OD'd, in Greece or wherever it was in Europe.

 

Now many ask, WHY? Why would Kurt Cobain kill himself. Firstly, he was up to his neck in addiction. He was physically ill with stomach problems, as well as having marital issues. Many times he had tried to go to rehab but couldn't stick by it. So throughout 93-94 he was ravaged by the drug.

 

Just because you're an addict doesn't mean you're going to kill yourself, if they did THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ADDICTS.

 

Finally; his band, wife, and friends intervened. His wife said she'd leave him, the band said they'd break up, and the record label said they'd drop him if he didn't quit. Have all of this dropped on you, while knowing that quitting the drug is a battle he didn't want to face. The man realized committing suicide, what he always bragged about, was his only way out. it would make him a martyr, a hero to go out in a blaze of glory. Does that sound like bullshit? I don't think so - Cobain always cared about his image.

 

What are we doing? Playing make-beleive? I've researched the topic extensivly, and nowhere have I seen this information.

 

He was so obsessed with being popular, rich, YET credible to the underground that all of his career moves were well thought out.

 

Yes, he was very concerned with being rich. That's why he turned down the multi-millions he got offered to headline Lollapalooza.

 

Now, as far as the suicide itself, its quit possible that Cobain was competant enough at the time to pull the trigger. As far as 3 times the normail limit, keep in mind that he has MANY times defied the odds during past suicide attempts. This guy had been swimming in heroin for the past 3 years, I'm sure he had a tolerance.

 

The autopsy report stated he had OD'd. That doesn't mean he OD'd based on universal scales or averages that are normal OD'ing levels for other people, it means he OD'd. It doesn't mean he would have OD'd if he wasn't an addict, it means he OD'd. And when you OD, you don't walk across the room, angle a shotgun into your mouth and blow your head off.

 

All the other evidence for all you guys know could be fabricated. Never once has there been an investigation into it, never once has ANY of his friends spoken up on the matter, rather it is conspiracy theorists, and people just trying to make an extra buck from the deceased making these claims. All I ask is for people to get the real facts straight. Do actual research on the matter before slandering Courtney Love. I hate her as much as anyone, but they genuinly had a loving relationship that soured because of drugs. And it wasn't Cobain who was threatening to loeave Courtney, it was vice versa. Everyone used the guy and left him when he needed them the most. There was no murder, for Cobain, there was no other way out.

 

There was an investigation, BY COURTNEY LOVE'S private investigator. She hired him, he took the case. All this information you see is coming directly from him. Actually, two people came forward about the murders, the guy who supposedly did it (who passed a lie detector test) and a former Hole member. Both turned up dead.

 

I question the other information in your paragraph, because every report I've read indicates otherwise.

 

Haven't any of you guys heard his music, read his lyrics, read his biography, read his journals, seen him in a interview?

 

Yeah. And they are just that. Lyrics, in a song. They are about people. If we went by what peoples lyrics stated, half the rock and rollers would be in jail and the other half would be killers. I have read several biographies and seen plenty of interviews. In the biographies I didn't see anything that screamed "I'M GONNA KILL MYSELF" and every interview, ever, he was a witty and warm guy.

 

Everybody here that is with the Seattle PD raise their hand. That's what I thought. Get in the real world, if all this stuff was true, don't you think the friggin POLICE would know it???

 

Actually, Courtney Love's P.I. was there with the police, and he's the one coming forth with alot of this information. Plus, go down and take a look at the case file or whatever it's called. Much of the information around is directly quoted from there.

 

Not one person with real evidence, real connection or any shred of credibility at all has said anything about this.

 

No, an ex-cop private investigator hired by Courtney Love herself has no connection, or credibility. And passing a lie detector test doesn't give you any credibility. No sir. I see your line of reasoning overwhelms mine.

 

I'll look for the P.I.'s site and post the link. Here we are.

[Guest Banky]

Finally; his band, wife, and friends intervened. His wife said she'd leave him, the band said they'd break up, and the record label said they'd drop him if he didn't quit. Have all of this dropped on you, while knowing that quitting the drug is a battle he didn't want to face. The man realized committing suicide, what he always bragged about, was his only way out. it would make him a martyr, a hero to go out in a blaze of glory. Does that sound like bullshit? I don't think so - Cobain always cared about his image.

 

What are we doing? Playing make-beleive? I've researched the topic extensivly, and nowhere have I seen this information.

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In the biographies I didn't see anything that screamed "I'M GONNA KILL MYSELF" and every interview, ever, he was a witty and warm guy.

 

 

The part about the band firing him, his wife leaving him, and record label dropping him did indeed happen. The last part was just an example why he might have been driven to suicide. It seems throughout your 'extensive' research yo have forgotten to read Charles Cross' "Heavier Than Heaven" - the most comprehensive and researched book ever written on the man. Cross was privy to Cobain's novels before they were released, also he heard "You Know You're Right" before anyone else. He didn't release the book until 2000 because of all the research he did. He interviewed everyone from childhood friends, old relatives, and especially close legitamite friends.

 

Kurt was not happy months before his death. He didn't want to play music. He didn't want to hang out with anyone. All he wanted to do was get high. 'You Know You're Right' was the only band they recorded because he kept standing up Novelesic (sp?) and Grohl at the studio.

 

Cobain's OD's were done with suicidal intentions - why else would he keep doing so much to the point of dying? Why did he unwrap 50 individual painkillers and miz them with champagne in Rome? Tell me that? Did Courtney Love do that too?

 

And finally you say that in his biographies there was never evidence that he wanted to kill himself? COME ON! Do you actually read the text or just look at the pictures? He was a manic depressive. He was a walking contradiction. He never ever seemed stable throughout his entire life. He wanted to name In Utero I hate Myself And Want To Die. You don't just throw out vague references like that for shits and giggles. And by the slight chance they were for shits and giggles - they definately meant something when he actually did commit suicide.

 

There is so much bullshit in your answers I don't know where to start. Like Cobain wasn't concerned about being rich - BULLSHIT. This guy would call his record label when he felt his music videos weren't being played enough on MTV. His career moves were pre-medetated so he could walk the fine line of mainstream success with underground credibility. He didn't piss on the money given to him, he enjoyed it. He wasn't the anti rock star as he WANTED you all to the think, he was an insecure lost person who tried to have a cool image. He wasn't cool, and he knew it. The guy wanted money - simple as that.

 

With this private investigator, why hasn't any 'real' police whatsoever moved on his evidence? Hmm, probably because its all bullshit. The guy just has heresay, no strong evidence. Where is the strong proof that Courtney hired someone to kill him? Where is it? Is it just because this 'investigator' said it was true? Possibly, just possibly, is this guy taking this stance to draw attention to himself? Why hasn't any television sleezeball show, aside from Unsolved Mysteries, addressed this mans allegations? Because they are bullshit. Throughout the the mud slinging by Grhol and Novelsetic towards Love - why didn't they make these allegations? Why haven't any of his friends said anything? Because its just myth, ie. 2Pac is alive, Elvis isn't dead. Its all lame myth created by fans and others without any strong leads.

 

Please, read Cross' Heavier Than Heaven and discuss this matter afterwards. If you have read the book, than maybe you should re-read it. Or, if you are too lazy, listen to In Utero. There lies the obvious non-coincidental lyrics displaying his unhappiness, bitterness, depression, and anger towards the world. Tune in especially to Frances Farmer.

[Guest goodhelmet]

yeah, i agree 100% with banky on this one. i mean, this is the guy who titled a song "i hate myself and want to die". i would like to believe cobain still had something he wanted to live for (his daughter perhaps) but the guy was a mental case and his death doesn't shock me in the least.