Kurt Cobain Murdered?

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

Did you write Santa a letter asking for the truth of Kurt Cobain's killing to come out?

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Instead of responding to my facts, you patronize me because of my age...

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

Bleh.

[Guest Lethargic]

Did you write Santa a letter asking for the truth of Kurt Cobain's killing to come out?

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Instead of responding to my facts, you patronize me because of my age...

The Santa thing was low, I admit that.

 

As far as facts. We've responded to every single one of your facts and discredited pretty much all of them with nothing but pure common sense. No more response is needed. And honestly, I really can't see how somebody that was 6-7 years old when this happened would really have that great of a perspective on it.

 

By the way, I read the other day that Courtney Love works for Universal's home video department now and she misframed those Back to the Future DVDs ON PURPOSE!!!! Because she's a psycho.

[Guest Lethargic]

By the way I decided to do some research into Courtney's past and see just what I could find. After finding these pictures I just might have to say the murder conspiracy is a possiblity!

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest SP-1]

Well, there certainly seems to be quite the passionate debate going on here. Though it's apparently regressed into, "I say, you say." Which is unfortunate.

 

As someone that has no vested interest, either as a fan or otherwise, I feel I should inject that outsider opinion here. From the information presented on both sides here, I feel that it appears that something happened but it doesn't add up to suicide. Not completely, anyway. Are there any possibilities that it was an assisted suicide? Someone other than Courtney participating in a murder?

 

I mean, it seems that everyone is focusing on it either being Courtney or suicide, but I think that narrows it down too much. You must leave all options open, I would think, especially when there isn't a real level of clarity surrounding these events. Do I have theories? No. but from what I've read on the subject myself, my own perceptions of Kurt from interviews and the like, the information presented here, and how I've seen Courtney act in public over the years, it doesn't add up to straight suicide for me.

 

Perhaps the scope of the efforts should be broadened.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

IMO, Yes, he was murdered.

 

Now, I am no fan of conspiricy theories, but this one is different. This isn't like 2Pac fans saying "He's alive!" or Elvis fans claiming to have seen him at a local Burger King. A genuine Detective has gathered enough evidence (as is his job) to come to the conclusion that Cobain was murdered.

 

The most obvious ones for me are :

 

*that the Shotgun had 3 bullets in, why? was he just making sure incase the 3 times the lethal dose of heroin and point blank gunshot to the head didn't work?

 

*and the fact that he (or somebody) had put 3 times the lethal dose of heroin INTO HIS VEINS that according to DOCTERS would have incapasitated him. Yet he somehow managed to walk across a room, pick up a large gun and shoot himself?

 

I can't be assed to go through all the ins and outs of it so just go to

 

www.JusticeForKurt.com

 

Pretty interesting, either way.

[Guest BAR]

I think it's a possibility he was murdered. But this shit happens with basically every dead artist: Tupac, Eazy-E, hell even Cliff Burton.

 

I'm not saying that these guys killed themselves but there's always theories surrounding it, especially Tupac fans.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

The thing that is the most ridiculous about all this is the notion that Cobain's diaries are fake.

 

Actually, strike that; the most ridiculous thing about all this is that people really give themselves over to ridiculous, ridiculous conspiracy theories.

[Guest DrTom]

DrTom, as someone who's value I value, did you read the Heavier Than Heaven book? Was it complete bullshit as HSJ is stating? Also, please reinterate for me, are these conspiracy theorists out of their mind with their bumbbling nonsense? I'm at a lost how mislead these fanboys are. I've tried enlightening them, but please said the record straight. Their facts are complete rubbish - in every way, shape, and form.

You value my value? Thanks... uh, I think.

 

Anyway, yes, I read Heavier Than Heaven. I was a HUGE Nirvana fan, and I was 20 when Cobain died. I bought every single magazine and newspaper I could find that had an article about his life and death. I got Heavier Than Heaven when it came out (though I haven't read it since the first time, right after I got it). Believe me, if someone killed Kurt, I *wanted* to know, and I wanted them found. Even as an online novice back then, I pored over every website I could that had information on Cobain's death. Truthfully, I was actually hoping he didn't kill himself, and I was looking for hard proof that he'd been killed.

 

But it just wasn't there. And it still isn't.

 

I thought Heavier Than Heaven was a good book, and gave an accurate account of Cobain's life and death.

[Guest DrTom]

And what does me being 15 have to do with anything?

A lot, really.

 

Keep in mind that I'm not trying to patronize you because of your age.

 

I've never met a fifteen year-old who had the ability to think critically and separate truth from lies (and truth from half-truth) like an adult. At that age, the experience just isn't there. You might be the smartest fifteen year-old who ever stepped on this planet, but until you've learned first-hand how to look at things, analyze them with a disinterested skepticism, and keep your expectations away from what you see as the results, then it just doesn't matter. And the only way to get that experience is by trial and error, and most importantly, trial and failure.

 

It also doesn't help that you're supporting a bunch of wild theories. Courtney Love paid to have someone pushed in front of a train? Cobain's recently-published journals are fake because she paid someone to write them, all because he denied writing a journal on MTV? You're not helping your own cause with naive statements like those, which make you look like an eager credophile.

 

I was 20 when Cobain died. I really wanted to find out that someone killed him. But when I looked over everything, there just wasn't any solid proof of that, and there still isn't, IMO.

[Guest AM The Kid]

Stop using HSJ's age as a reason to think he cant decide fact from fiction. I'm also 15, and I haven't read much about Cobain at all, not a fan. But looking over the facts I also believe Kurt Cobain was murdered. Please listen to HSJ's opinions before judging them by his age.

[Guest Flyboy]

I've never met a fifteen year-old who had the ability to think critically and separate truth from lies (and truth from half-truth) like an adult. At that age, the experience just isn't there. You might be the smartest fifteen year-old who ever stepped on this planet, but until you've learned first-hand how to look at things, analyze them with a disinterested skepticism, and keep your expectations away from what you see as the results, then it just doesn't matter.

DrTom forgot about me when making this post.

 

Maybe because I'm not even fifteen.

 

Don't let it happen again, Tom.

[Guest DrTom]

Stop using HSJ's age as a reason to think he cant decide fact from fiction.

There's a reason you can do a lot more when you turn 18, you know.

 

Please listen to HSJ's opinions before judging them by his age.

I have listened to his opinions. I think they're ridiculously naive, and heavily influenced by crackpot conspiracy theorists. That's my point: he hasn't learned yet how pointless and stupid most conspiracy theories are, why some of them are potentially dangerous, and how to spot the misinformation, irrelevant crap, outright fabrications, and half-truths a lot of them contain. That's something that's learned through time and experience, and when you're fifteen, you just don't have a lot of either.

 

The problem with brining age and experience into things is that the younger folks tend to get very defensive about it. I think I made it pretty clear I wasn't patronizing or attacking him because of his age. Go nail yourself to a different cross. You're young; you'll heal quickly.

[Guest DrTom]

DrTom forgot about me when making this post.

I didn't forget about anyone.

 

I've said before that you're intelligent and mature beyond your years, and that's true. But like anyone else your age, you lack the experience in a lot of things that old fogies like me have. It's not meant to be a slight; it's just the way things work. You're in good shape to be a lot wiser than most at eighteen, and probably wiser than I was at that age. Don't waste your time worrying about imagined slights based on age.

[Guest Flyboy]

I've said before that you're intelligent and mature beyond your years, and that's true.

I must have missed that post.

[Guest Lethargic]

Stop using HSJ's age as a reason to think he cant decide fact from fiction. I'm also 15, and I haven't read much about Cobain at all, not a fan. But looking over the facts I also believe Kurt Cobain was murdered. Please listen to HSJ's opinions before judging them by his age.

His age didn't even come until 3 pages into the thread. It's not like everybody agreed with him until his age was revealed and then changed their tune. And he's not the only one that believes this stuff. I'm pretty sure that every single person that believes this conspirary isn't 15. This one person's age has nothing to do with the whole thing. It's not like I just diagreed with him and nobody else.

[Guest TheyCallMeMark]

He wanted to name In Utero I hate Myself And Want To Die. You don't just throw out vague references like that for shits and giggles. And by the slight chance they were for shits and giggles - they definately meant something when he actually did commit suicide.

 

This is the only new point in three pages of thread, so I'll just respond to this. The fact is, in an interview, Cobain actually said that he didn't name it that just because people would assume that it was a real statement on his life, and he didn't want any confusion. In the interview he said he wanted to do it as a joke but was worried about people (like you) taking it literally. So, I'm sorry, I don't see what his motivations to commit suicide were. Since the rest of this thread has degraded into a bitter spite-filled pissing contest, I'll just wait until someone gives me one reason he would kill himself.

[Guest Lethargic]

I believe this whole thread can be summed up rather nicely with....

 

THE TRUTH!? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

I KNEW IT!

 

 

But in all seriousness, I just believe that Kurt was killed because there are so many flaws in Courtney's story and what happened.

 

And to Dr. Tom, do I think that Courtney hired someone to kill the person who took a lie detector test and said that Courtney tried to hire him to kill Kurt, yes.

 

To I think that Courtney had all those diaries written? Well, after thinking about it some more, I'm not quite sure. Kurt said he didn't keep diaries on more then two occasions, but it is akward to have all those books written and published just for the fuck of it (money.).

 

And me being 15, well, I can't say anything about that.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

fucking hell....

 

I don't want anything to do with this anymore. HSJ and others make it impossible to defend the Murder theory. Do I think Cobain was Murdered? Yes though not as much as I once did.

 

Banky and others put together alot of good reasons why he might of commited suicide but someone could put together a good case for why he might have been murdered. But until/unless the case is reopened this is all idle speculation.

 

*leaves*

[Guest Anglesault]

She had her husband murdered.

 

I doubt she payed off the cops, but they did their own mistakes.

 

She knew the coroner, so yes, she bribed him to say that the gun shot wound killed him.

 

She hired somebody to throw the singer in front of the train, so he wouldn't tell anybody else.

 

Kurt never kept a journal, so someone must of came up with fake journals to publish.

 

And yes, she did get a completely fake biography published.

 

And I suspect the male nanny, who was most likely in on it, to slash Kurts tires.

Oh Christ.

 

Did she then have The Rhino beat up Spiderman?

[Guest The Ghost Of Kurt Cobain]

Hey, guys! Keep up the good work! Don't listen to the naysers, I WAS murdered! Find the person who killed me so justice shall finally be served!

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

Hey, guys! Keep up the good work! Don't listen to the naysers, I WAS murdered! Find the person who killed me so justice shall finally be served!

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[Guest SP-1]

Did she then have The Rhino beat up Spiderman?

That's the best part of this whole thread, Sault.

[Guest Anglesault]

Okay, I've just seen the note.

 

Now, if you were trying to fake the second half of a retirement noe to make it look like a suicide note, wouldn't you try to make it look like the rest of the letter?

 

As is, the final four lines look like Cobain's hand writing, just larger, to emphasize a point.

[Guest Sassquatch]

I too was once a Nirvana fan who was angry and confused that one of my favorite musicians had died in a controversial fashion.

 

But like Dr.Tom stated earlier, with age comes expereience and knowledge which is something that the younger kids can't BS their way into or properly understand. Don't take this the wrong way for those of you who are young but rather as a life lesson that will help you down the road when you will have the right answer to something that calls for experience.

 

Courtney Love is a cunt and if she were to pass away the next day I would not shed a tear. It's not because of her relationship with Kurt but rather how she was raising her daughter while under the influence of heavy drugs during and after her birth. I can not stand shithead parents like that and I have a personal hatred towards them since I work with kids in my line of work as a children's daycare worker.

 

Bottom line is that Cobain did kill himself on his own accord which is a shame but for those of us who were around and following Nirvana, it was not that much of a big surprise when Kurt Loader came onto MTV and announced that Kurt Cobain had shot himself. It still hurt me that someone who I thought was a musical God who could have done much more with his life.

 

The smoking gun arguement was vehemently used a year or so after Kurt died when the disgruntled fans were unable to come to terms with the fact that their hero had some flaws to him that shattered their image of him.

 

R.I.P. Kurt Cobain

[Guest Banky]

Courtney Love is a cunt and if she were to pass away the next day I would not shed a tear. It's not because of her relationship with Kurt but rather how she was raising her daughter while under the influence of heavy drugs during and after her birth. I can not stand shithead parents like that and I have a personal hatred towards them since I work with kids in my line of work as a children's daycare worker.

Find me valid evidence that wasn't from some 'Glamour' magazine that Love was on junk when she was pregnant with Frances. I am curious. All of those rumors are unfounded. In fact, it was Cobain who was the regular abuser with just her caving in every so often.

[Guest Anglesault]

I think she admitted to it, banky. She admitted in vanity Fair, then denied it, then admitted it again and I lost track.

[Guest Banky]

I think she admitted to it, banky. She admitted in vanity Fair, then denied it, then admitted it again and I lost track.

You might be right, by from ym vantage point, I always assumed the Vanity Fair people kinda started that one. I know Love and Cobain denied it up the ying yang. The baby did turn out alright though, so that may say something.

[Guest Sassquatch]

The lack of coherence Courtney has shown in past interviews along with her sometimes odd and strange behavior has not convinced me that she wasn't doing drugs when she had Francis which she denied after the Vanity Fair interview.