Avril Lavigne

[Guest EQ]

Punk can be tricky to define. But I just do not think of the type of music Avril does when I think about Punk.

 

I've listened to most of the songs off her album and "Sk8er Boi" comes closest to being punk, but even then, you're stretching.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Punk is dead, get over, once the first punk band became a success, it killed it. You can make punk music, but the idea behind punk is dead, its now a trend, its now a genura(sp), its something that even your mom knows about. Its a fashion style for christ sakes. Punks over. Deal with it.

 

Of course if a band started a punk band for the sole purpose of selling out, making as much money as possible and doing drugs to kill themselves, that would be punk because its what you're NOT suppose to do.

 

Ill always remember when a 16 year old girl told me Blink 182 was punk...i about killed her.

[Guest bob_barron]

I'm also an Avril fan and while I know her music is absolutely 100% definetely not punk it's nice and catchy and enjoyable to listen to

[Guest Kinetic]

I'd wager to say that there's not a whole lot to get. If you can wrap your head around the success of Britney Spears--attractive girl makes accessible music that's marketed towards young girls, makes a lot of people rich in the process--then you've pretty much figured Avril Lavigne out. Avril Lavigne has the added bonus of making 13 year old girls pretend that they give a shit about The Clash, though, so there's that.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

But serioulsy come on, this is the best they can do? This is what passes onto society? Nevermind the war, never mind the injustices, lets all just sit back and listen to some teenage girl, who has her wardrobe people shop at goodwills for her, brag about how she got some boy, that outside of the fact shes now famous, would dump her for the next good piece of ass to come along. This is the best we can do...humanity is fucked.

 

And people wonder why our society gets dumber with every generation.

[Guest Flyboy]

And she's hot.

Hardly.

She's got a very plain cuteness to her

She's CUTE. I will admit that.

 

Hollywood said she was "hot".

 

Big difference.

Didn't you use to have a pic of her in your sig?

Nope.

 

That was bps. Or SKBF.

 

I don't want to be confused with either of them.

 

EDIT: Even though Avril isn't "punk" and is basically pop masked with the "punk" label, she performs enjoyable music to me. People have different tastes, and the majority eats up the mainstream. I made a copied my CD of Avril for a friend of mine, and they only listened to "Sk8er Boi" and "Complicated" claiming that they are the only good songs on the CD. When "I'm With You" starts to play on the radio and on TV, they also like that song. It's mainstream stuff that appeals. "I'm With You" is a good song and all, but more than likely (and luckily) her "best work" will not be released.

 

I should pimp my Let Go review, but I decided against it.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

I think it was BPS. It had a sort of terrifying undead look about it.

 

Avril's music is inoffensive pop, but between her and Hot Topic, she sure has changed the way mall kids look today. 12 year old goths with ties = hilarious.

[Guest Flyboy]

*smirks at Edwin's comment*

 

Yeah, I see girls wearing the arm/wrist shit that Avril wears and I just want to cringe. Avril was trying to be different from everyone else, and now she has every teen girl doing what she is. Kind of like the "Britney Effect" except Britney didn't care if girls followed her or not.

[Guest Flyboy]

I will say this:

 

Avril trying to rap is funny shit.

[Guest bob_barron]

But serioulsy come on, this is the best they can do? This is what passes onto society? Nevermind the war, never mind the injustices, lets all just sit back and listen to some teenage girl, who has her wardrobe people shop at goodwills for her, brag about how she got some boy, that outside of the fact shes now famous, would dump her for the next good piece of ass to come along. This is the best we can do...humanity is fucked.

 

And people wonder why our society gets dumber with every generation.

Yes- the acpocolypse is coming because of an 18 year old who sings harmless music that appeals to a lot of people

[Guest Lethargic]

Maybe we should formally define punk. I think I've got a pretty good understanding of it, but how would you describe it?

Reading this would probably make my opinion on it clear.

[Guest Mr. Pink]

Ill always remember when a 16 year old girl told me Blink 182 was punk...i about killed her.

One girl in my art class was talking about how she loved being different than everybody else (all while she's wearing a Hurley sweat-shirt, A&F Visor and dumb looking pants) and she then said the dumbest thing I ever heard:

 

"I'll admit it: I am a punk. I love hard punk music, like Blink-182"

 

 

 

and the fact that she was serious made it even funnier. I just started cracking up.

 

 

 

I hate posers

[Guest cynicalprofit]

es- the acpocolypse is coming because of an 18 year old who sings harmless music that appeals to a lot of people

Yes it is. If we dont teach the youth of today anything intellegent or useful they're doomed. One day when technology fails, society will be fucked because no one alive will rememebr how to survive without it.

 

Britney Spears was said to be harmless, but when I see girls as young as 9 wearing stuff more revealing then Ive seen prostitues wear, theres something seriously fucked up. And whats even worse is her mom didnt seem to care.

 

Having a bunch of people going around claiming to be individuals after copying somoene on TV is really fucked up. Its even wrose because they believe it when they say it. See the above post for proof.

[Guest bob_barron]

I fail to see how an 18 year old musician who has only been around since last summer contributes to your view of the apocolypse.

 

Avril doesn't dress like a prostitute. She wears tank tops and studd but nothing completely outlandish.

 

What is wrong with Britney dressing up like a whore anyway? It's the parents who should make their own judgement.

 

What's wrong with people who enjoy listening to Avril's music because it makes them feel that way? It's completely harmless- I listen to Avril because her music puts me in a good mood

[Guest KingOfOldSchool]

God, Avril's music is just seems so dull and empty. There doesn't seem to be any emotion behind it what so ever, it screams manufactured all the way, which is why I can't listen to it nor understand anyone who does.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

God, Avril's music is just seems so dull and empty. There doesn't seem to be any emotion behind it what so ever, it screams manufactured all the way, which is why I can't listen to it nor understand anyone who does.

Bingo

 

I fail to see how an 18 year old musician who has only been around since last summer contributes to your view of the apocolypse.

Its not thats shes the apocolypse, its like the want of the nail poem. If you dont fix the small problems, they just become bigger problems. This mass acceptance of something thats prepoduced, that a bunch of people just follow mindlessly, is rather scarry. I mean I thought we evolved a little beyond that.

 

Avril doesn't dress like a prostitute. She wears tank tops and studd but nothing completely outlandish.

No she doesn't, but people dress like her, so they are just following mindlessly.

 

What is wrong with Britney dressing up like a whore anyway? It's the parents who should make their own judgement.

Most parents dont bother to MAKE that judgement, or a good one. If you as an adult want to watch her fine, but showing her to a child and saying this is acceptable, this is what to do to succeed, this is a role model, is not a good message to be sending.

 

What's wrong with people who enjoy listening to Avril's music because it makes them feel that way? It's completely harmless- I listen to Avril because her music puts me in a good mood

 

If you want to listen to it and enjoy it fine, thats your right. I said it was a fine pop song. But if music is making you act stupid, stop listening to it. If music is making you act, think, be a certain way, or making you someone who you're not, stop following it. Im just so sick and tired of people following trend after trend, they are just like mindless zombies doing as told. Its scarry to watch people you know go from being rock to rap to pop and they just dont see how foolish they are.

 

(Anyone remember that video with those kids whos clothes kept changing to match the music fashions, the last shot they were dressed like fred durst, i think.

 

I think it rather strange that a Regal fan would listen to Arvil, it seems like such a clash.

[Guest B-X]

Why not? They both have personality coaches.

 

 

Okay, I know that didn't make sense. Made me laugh when I thought of it though.

[Guest Incandenza]

Remember when we invaded the Avril board? That was a glorious couple of days.

[Guest B-X]

Maybe we should formally define punk.  I think I've got a pretty good understanding of it, but how would you describe it?

Reading this would probably make my opinion on it clear.

I don't want to elaborate, but that article may have just changed my life.

[Guest KoR Fungus]

Avril is about as far from punk as you can get, and her music is the exact same sort of studio produced nothingness that we were getting from Britney and Christina. It's pretty pathetic that she doesn't realize that, and considers herself to be somehow legitimate. That said, I like listening to some of her music. I'm With You is a perfectly nice, pleasant song. Complicated has been ridiculously overplayed, but it's not all that bad of a song either. Don't take her seriously, but there's nothing wrong with enjoying her music.

[Guest subliminal_animal]

es- the acpocolypse is coming because of an 18 year old who sings harmless music that appeals to a lot of people

Yes it is. If we dont teach the youth of today anything intellegent or useful they're doomed. One day when technology fails, society will be fucked because no one alive will rememebr how to survive without it.

How does listening to crappy music have anything to do with teaching them anything useful? Do you want them to listen to albums by the Desert Survival Teach-In?

 

Britney Spears was said to be harmless, but when I see girls as young as 9 wearing stuff more revealing then Ive seen prostitues wear, theres something seriously fucked up.

It's the parents. I don't think clothes like that should be marketed for little girls, so it's the clothing industry, too. Also, with little girls looking like this nowadays, sooner or later you're not going to be vilified for saying that 12-year-old in the "PORN STAR" baby tee is hot enough to bust your nut.

 

Wow, that was pretty sick of me. But not sooner or later, if I'm right.

 

Having a bunch of people going around claiming to be individuals after copying somoene on TV is really fucked up. Its even wrose because they believe it when they say it. See the above post for proof.

Do you want everyone to be individuals? Of course not, funny stuff like this wouldn't happen. Unless someone gets really obnoxious about how they're cool and stylish and an individual, I don't think it should bother anyone.

 

No she doesn't, but people dress like her, so they are just following mindlessly.

Not really mindlessly. They like the music, so they want to be like her. It's more "Yeah, look how cool I am!" It's stupid, yeah, but most young people are stupid. And not only the ones who listen to this evening's lastest pop sensation.

 

Nevermind the war, never mind the injustices, lets all just sit back and listen to some teenage girl, who has her wardrobe people shop at goodwills for her, brag about how she got some boy, that outside of the fact shes now famous, would dump her for the next good piece of ass to come along.

The song was about getting the boy because she loved him for the way he was and not because she was afraid of what her friends think. But her friends were probably like her, so she wouldn't have to be afraid like the cheerleader was. Basically she's REAL so they get along. Plus that probably never happened.

 

And some people don't like the realities around them. Plus, they aren't affected directly. Escapism is a gentler world with more fun and parties.

 

But basically, I think most of what you said is ridiculous.

[Guest KingOfOldSchool]

Remember when we invaded the Avril board? That was a glorious couple of days.

Good times. I really wish their board had never gone down. While the invasion was getting boring, it still would've been nice to go back and read some of our work.

[Guest SP-1]

Don't take her seriously, but there's nothing wrong with enjoying her music.

That pretty much sums up my thoughts on it.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

How does listening to crappy music have anything to do with teaching them anything useful? Do you want them to listen to albums by the Desert Survival Teach-In?

No but listening to things like Mozart(sp) has been known to increase brain activity, atleast in the short term. So it might be a better idea to promote that, then say mindless pop.

 

It's the parents. I don't think clothes like that should be marketed for little girls, so it's the clothing industry, too. Also, with little girls looking like this nowadays, sooner or later you're not going to be vilified for saying that 12-year-old in the "PORN STAR" baby tee is hot enough to bust your nut.

And it appears Im about the only one in the world who thinks this is wrong.

 

Do you want everyone to be individuals?

Id prefer a whole shit load of people trying to be themselves instead of following whatever the latest trends happen to be, so yes.

 

It's stupid, yeah, but most young people are stupid.

just because your young doesnt mean you have to be stupid, you maybe more inclined to do stupid things, lord knows I did my share, but that doesnt make me or anyone else stupid. And I know alot of smart kids who dont follow whatever todays trend is.

 

The song was about getting the boy because she loved him for the way he was and not because she was afraid of what her friends think. But her friends were probably like her, so she wouldn't have to be afraid like the cheerleader was. Basically she's REAL so they get along. Plus that probably never happened.

I think we can send a better mesage then "i got the boy and you didnt, na-na-na-boo-boo(or whatever the phrase is)." And if it didnt happen, then shes obviously a fraud, just like anyother muscian who doesnt write from experience.(Dont flame me for this, its a personal opinion)

 

But basically, I think most of what you said is ridiculous.

"Gee Bill, there only musicians.....NOOOOOO! They are lowering the standards."-Bill Hicks

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Ok, so you'd rather have Avril's songs deal with third-world famine, mass murder, terrorists, the AIDS epidemic, and free will? Jesus, pick up some Rush if you want to get philosophical. Or some Lennon.

 

While it might be nice to have musicians comment on important issues, the crux of it is that those topics don't make for good music most of the time, or even things that people want to hear about when they put some headphones on. I sure don't. I might enjoy a number about disembowling someone, or fucking someone with a knife, but when it comes to the real world issues, there's enough about that in the papers, on the news, and in our hometowns; it doesn't need to be on EVERY musician's mind to the point where they feel compelled to comment on it in song. In fact, I can say without batting an eye that writing songs about that sort of thing would make for some REALLY bad music coming from certain performers...especially the teen pop stars.

 

Imagine Britney suddenly deciding to write a serious song about, say, the abortion issue.

 

Imagine THAT song, and repress the vomit.

 

Very simply, not all musicians should be doing music like that, and not a whole lot of people want to listen to it, no matter how important it is. Music just isn't the best medium for that sort of thing.

[Guest nl5xsk1]

I actually think that she's not much less of a punk than Blink-182 or Sum-41 or any of the other new pop-punk artists. To compare any of them to the Dead Kennedys or Black Flag or the Exploited is a joke.

[Guest Renegade]

Imagine Britney suddenly deciding to write a serious song about, say, the abortion issue.

Hell I'd buy it, just for the comical value.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

because most people have no taste

Like most Nirvana fans.

someone's still upset about the puberty joke.

wellllll the boy shows wisdom in his pre pubescent innocence...

 

I don't get it either. She just comes across as naturally obnoxious and hung up on herself, like that THING pink.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Ok, so you'd rather have Avril's songs deal with third-world famine, mass murder, terrorists, the AIDS epidemic, and free will? Jesus, pick up some Rush if you want to get philosophical. Or some Lennon.

No she shouldnt be making music period, atleast not untill she ahs something to say thats meaningful .

beyond boyfriends.(She might, but I dont listen to her so I dont know for like a 100% fact, but the one song is enough for me to believe she isnt to deep in her lyrics.)

 

While it might be nice to have musicians comment on important issues, the crux of it is that those topics don't make for good music most of the time, or even things that people want to hear about when they put some headphones on. I sure don't. I might enjoy a number about disembowling someone, or fucking someone with a knife, but when it comes to the real world issues, there's enough about that in the papers, on the news, and in our hometowns; it doesn't need to be on EVERY musician's mind to the point where they feel compelled to comment on it in song. In fact, I can say without batting an eye that writing songs about that sort of thing would make for some REALLY bad music coming from certain performers...especially the teen pop stars.

Agreed, but you can write a song that isnt serious that doesnt suck and has some emotional attachment to it. See ReHab for proof, or ICP. And I might as well say it now, teen pop stars shouldnt be making music becaues they mostly dont write thier own music, therefore its all worthless since it has NO real attachment from the artist. Notice how Kitty didnt suck like Arvil did, because even though the lyrics were simple, the Kitty artist wrote them and had a connection to them. It made the music alot better.

 

Imagine Britney suddenly deciding to write a serious song about, say, the abortion issue.

Since I dont know of her even writing ONE song, the point is mute. She wouldnt even know where to begin, but someone who is say 30 and has been through the issue, and writes the song for britney, could make it someone what. I mean I could see Briteny singing an almost BFF "Brick" style song, just because she could pull it off vocally. But there would be no real attachment from her to the song, so you know it would suck. But the lyrics would be decent or better.

 

Very simply, not all musicians should be doing music like that, and not a whole lot of people want to listen to it, no matter how important it is. Music just isn't the best medium for that sort of thing.

Agreed, but cant we get something new. I mean the pop idea has been around for what 50 years now, its old, how about we evolve into something new, I mean why not have something else, just for change. I mean we sorta did with the old men singing pop, but that flopped like a 80 year old womens boobies.

 

 

I don't get it either. She just comes across as naturally obnoxious and hung up on herself, like that THING pink.

Hoenstly I think Pink is really fucking pissed off at her record label. She changed her hair color to kill the gimmick dead, she writes not as popy songs as briteny, atleast in lyrical content, and shes trying to be different then what she was told to be, another britney clone. Its either a BRILLIANT marketing plan, or shes honestly pissed.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Agreed, but cant we get something new. I mean the pop idea has been around for what 50 years now, its old, how about we evolve into something new

 

Well, if you think about it, fifty years isn't that long of a time. Look at classical composers. Aside from a few differences, That style was around for CENTURIES. Before that, almost all of the music a person could hear was in church. Hell, before that, people banging on rocks, I guess.

 

Only around the early part of the 1900's did things really change dramatically. And now, with all the technology in instrumentation and recording, not to mention the much more liberal state of society in general, it's pretty much impossible to not find SOMETHING that matches your tastes.

 

Agreed, but you can write a song that isnt serious that doesnt suck and has some emotional attachment to it. See ReHab for proof, or ICP.

 

Take out ReHab and ICP and replace them with The Residents and Frank Zappa, and I'll agree with that.