How dumb can Vince BE?

[Guest ReyReyRox00]

Have you seen a man as dumb as Vince. He makes Big Show beat Brock. He makes Tripple H win every thing. He works with his worst enemy for money

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

I don't think Vince is stupid. I think he's in a depression. He's sitting on his balcony at night with a picture of Austin crying going "Where has my little Austin bird flown?"

[Guest Banky]

Its cool to bash Vince. He has done more good than bad. Its just his bad is really bad.

 

95 - The Kliq

02 - Triple H

 

He has to stop people from running his company and assume the role himself. Once parasites like Triple H, Undertaker, ect...are eliminated from the picture - they can once again prosper. Angle vs. Brock is a good sign of whats to come. Rock vs. Goldberg isn't. The WWE should reward the hard working competitors by giving them high billing on Wrestlemania, not hot shot 2 month deals like the aforementioned Rock and Goldberg. Vince needs to realizw the happier and more positive the wrestlers - the better everything will turn out. 1998-2000 was pretty much primadonna free, Vince needs to re-capture that blissful harmony. Bringing back Austin and having him feud with benoit or Guerrero would do that. it show he is rewarding Benoit and Guerrero for their hard work by putting them with an established star while proving to Austin he can't walk back into the Main Event. He'll have to work for it.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I don't hate Vince, but I do think he was a fucking idiot for signing that agreement with the Wildlife Fund and then going about as if it never existed.

[Guest AndrewTS]

How dumb can Vince BE?

 

"WELCOME TO THE EEEEEEEEX-EEEEEEEEEF-EEEEEEEL!!"

 

"...wanna see my ass do tricks?"

 

"...Me...and the eeeen...dubba-you....OOOOOO!!"

 

"Stone Cold screwed Stone Cold."

 

And I don't have quotes, but consider when he put Steph as head of the booking team in there as well.

[Guest Joejigatame]

Vince is no more dumb than Inoki or Watts or Heyman or Jarrett...you can go on and on. Every promoter makes mistakes...there's no such thing as a perfect promoter. If there was, the business wouldn't be in such a lull. To put it in a backhanded compliment...Vince is probably the least dumbest promoter ever.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Vince is no more dumb than Inoki or Watts or Heyman or Jarrett...

 

Damning with faint praise. Inoki is with shooters like Vince is with big men. Jarrett hired Russo. Watts pushed his talentless son. Heyman was a shitty businessman.

 

Although, point made.

[Guest Joejigatame]

Vince is no more dumb than Inoki or Watts or Heyman or Jarrett...

 

Damning with faint praise. Inoki is with shooters like Vince is with big men. Jarrett hired Russo. Watts pushed his talentless son. Heyman was a shitty businessman.

 

Although, point made.

That was my point, all promoters make mistakes, it's just that Vince gets more of the flack for some reason. Don't get me started on Inoki's shoot fetish.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

You know...I'm thinking...

 

If Heyman took some better business courses in his life, he probably could have kept ECW running to this day.

 

And let us hope that Vince starts learning better. But...watching the Best of WrestleMania 1-15 tape I most recently found, it's doubtful. He said the best match in WrestleMania history was Hogan vs. Andre at WM3.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Vince is no more dumb than Inoki or Watts or Heyman or Jarrett...

 

Damning with faint praise. Inoki is with shooters like Vince is with big men. Jarrett hired Russo. Watts pushed his talentless son. Heyman was a shitty businessman.

 

Although, point made.

That was my point, all promoters make mistakes, it's just that Vince gets more of the flack for some reason. Don't get me started on Inoki's shoot fetish.

Vince runs the biggest promotion and his screw ups are well publicized, that's why he gets the most flack.

 

And I won't get you started, a friend of mine went off into a rant about that.

[Guest Anglesault]

proving to Austin he can't walk back into the Main Event. He'll have to work for it.

He did earn it. He was shoved out of the mains for no good reason in favor of HHH and the nWold. And look how that turned out.

[Guest AndrewTS]

You know...I'm thinking...

 

If Heyman took some better business courses in his life, he probably could have kept ECW running to this day.

 

And let us hope that Vince starts learning better. But...watching the Best of WrestleMania 1-15 tape I most recently found, it's doubtful. He said the best match in WrestleMania history was Hogan vs. Andre at WM3.

Vince kept luring away a lot of Heyman's best and most popular talents. It's a testament to Heyman's booking ability that he was able to do as good as he was to replace them, but when you're down to Justin Credible and Rhyno as main eventers (no offense to Rhyno/RHINO fans, but you get my point), then you're bound to be in trouble.

 

Of course, I can't fault a guy for wanting to be sure to be paid, but when top money-makers for your fed leave that isn't going to improve the situation.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Yeah, very true about that.

 

I just wonder how long ECW would have lasted if they had backing like WWF/E people had.

[Guest Banky]

proving to Austin he can't walk back into the Main Event.  He'll have to work for it.

He did earn it. He was shoved out of the mains for no good reason in favor of HHH and the nWold. And look how that turned out.

No, but I am saying upon his return he'll have to work for it. He walked out, thus he starts from the bottom. His stubborness shouldn't be rewarded.

[Guest razazteca]

Vince Fetishes:

 

1. Celebrities - just look at all of the special time keepers, announcers, etc for the 80's PPVs

 

2. Big Wrestlers - if Vince could Yao Ming vs Manute Bol would be headlining Wrestlemania

 

3. Wanting mainstream attention - notice how the Gay Wedding went, they put Monty & Chucky on nearly every morning daytime show.

 

4. Ego - the show was centered around him or family forever, at times it this ego-fuck-fest has damaged the angles and wrestlers that were involved

[Guest Anglesault]

proving to Austin he can't walk back into the Main Event.  He'll have to work for it.

He did earn it. He was shoved out of the mains for no good reason in favor of HHH and the nWold. And look how that turned out.

No, but I am saying upon his return he'll have to work for it. He walked out, thus he starts from the bottom. His stubborness shouldn't be rewarded.

His hard work was punished. He was forced out of the company. I firmly believe that after Mania, Someone, very, very possibly Hunter, realized that Austin was at the end of his rope, had Vince's ear and advised him to do all the wrong moves that would force Austin out. It's possible that Vince was in on it, or he was justa puppet of said person and didn't know what would happen.

 

I mean, it doesn't make sense for them to accidently do all those things to piss Steve off. You'd have to be an idiot. A Big Show feud??????

[Guest ReyReyRox00]

Paul Heyman wanted either Benoit or Rey Mysterio to vs. Lesnar at Survivor Series. Rey and Chris were supose to loose and have K+Lesnars first loss at Wrestle Mania against Angle. Vince said no and then big show beat him and end the the huge winning streek.

[Guest Danny Dubya v 2.0]

Have you seen a man as dumb as Vince. He makes Big Show beat Brock. He makes Tripple H win every thing. He works with his worst enemy for money

...We all have our opinions on Vince, HHH, Big Show, Kliq, ect., stated again and again on these boards.

 

Welcome to the smart marks, ReyReyRox. You may not realize this, but there have been a zillion discussions over what you brought up in your two threads on this one forum alone.

 

Just so... uh... you know... cause, well... this thread just came out of the blue... and this has been discussed in much greater detail for quite a while now.

 

OK? Alrighty then. *waits for someone to put what I'm saying in -much- better words*

[Paul Stanley 0]

In Other words:

 

"stfu and stop posting about topics already discussed"

[Guest Mole]

Vince is no dumber than you or I.

 

He has been running this business for 20 some odd years. Do you really think that he can come up with great storylines ALL the time? No, that isn't fair to say.

 

If any of us were ahead of WWE, do you think we could come up with great storylines all the time? Nope. I would come up with some great stuff, some good stuff, and some shitty stuff.

 

For example, Seinfeld, one of the greatest comedies in the modern era. Were some of the episodes great? Yes. Were some of them good? Yes. Were some of the terrible? Yes. Even a great show like Seinfeld can have its lows.

 

Seinfeld was around for 9 years and made only about 22 episodes a year, each 22 minutes. Now WWE makes about 264 mintues of programs a month, not including the 3 hours of PPV each month.

 

Now Vince makes the same amount of programing in a year and 4 months than Seinfeld made it's whole run on television.

 

Give the man a break for the mistakes he makes. Wrestling has its ups and downs. Right now it's in a down period. In a few years, there will be another boom period. Vince will be on the top of his game, and we will be happy.

 

Just take what is good right now in wrestling, and appreciate that.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Maybe I'm just not compassionate, but I found it to be BAD BUSINESS with the whole World Wildlife Fund deal. People make mistakes but that was a HUGE, COLOSSAL mistake on Vince's part. I get embarassed seeing the flashbacks on TV and the logos on the turnbuckles being fuzzed out.