Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted January 3, 2003 Ok JLO is taking over for Mariah Carrey in the art of having hit after hit of UNORIGINAL music. I have accepted the fact that the MASSES just don't seem to give a shit whether their favorite "artist" actually can write and compose music as well as just go into a studio and blast out vocals, however for the artists' sake, don't they want to be known for making their OWN material?? It's like a Led Zeppllin cover band making it in the big time just from covering music.....quite sickening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest subliminal_animal Report post Posted January 3, 2003 Funny you mention Mariah and Jennifer Lopez, since for the remix of "I'm Real" with Ja Rule, J.Lo apparently used the sample that Mariah was going to use for the single of her Glitter album, "Loverboy." Mariah had to change her sample, and got an unsuccessful song, which might've led to the unsuccessful album, which might have made her so sad. With this and the Jay-Z/Tony Braxton thing, the rip-offs stealing from rip-offs stuff might be picking up enough steam to power the train to the top of Mt. Ridiculous. But Mariah seems like a nice person in real life, so bully for her. J.Lo is a nasty, I hear, so bully to her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted January 3, 2003 With this and the Jay-Z/Tony Braxton thing I think you mean, Jay-Z and Beyonce...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest red_file Report post Posted January 3, 2003 It's like a Led Zeppllin cover band making it in the big time just from covering music.....quite sickening. Who was that band that completely aped Zepp's sound and made it somewhat big in the 80s? I can never remember the name. Sampling doesn't bother me. I wish they'd do something more with it, but musical collage takes a little bit of skill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest crandamaniac Report post Posted January 3, 2003 Creative Sampling does not bother me either. It's interesting to take a song, mix it up a little bit, and make something original out of it. But what many artists do (Puffy, JLo, Mary J. Blige) is just take the whole song and rap over it. That's not creative in the least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EQ Report post Posted January 3, 2003 What Metallica did with their Garage Inc. album was great, IMO. Covered a shitload of songs... made them sound cooler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest subliminal_animal Report post Posted January 3, 2003 With this and the Jay-Z/Tony Braxton thing I think you mean, Jay-Z and Beyonce...... No, Jay-Z and Braxton. There's controversy in the loosest sense of the word because Jay-Z used the same 2Pac sample for "Bonnie and Clyde '03" as Toni was going to use (did use?) for a song off her new album before heres came out. She claims Jay-Z heard the track ahead of time and ripped her off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted January 3, 2003 What Metallica did with their Garage Inc. album was great, IMO. Covered a shitload of songs... made them sound cooler. That's quite different, though. Those were all songs that Metallica either covered as tributes to their favorite artists as younguns (Disc I) or songs they previously covered and released on EPs, as bonus tracks, or never released prior to the album (Disc II). We're talking sampling here, ie. Rappers/singers making it big on using the exact same beat of another song, not adding anything to it, and calling it an "original." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted January 4, 2003 What Metallica did with their Garage Inc. album was great, IMO. Covered a shitload of songs... made them sound cooler. That's quite different, though. Those were all songs that Metallica either covered as tributes to their favorite artists as younguns (Disc I) or songs they previously covered and released on EPs, as bonus tracks, or never released prior to the album (Disc II). We're talking sampling here, ie. Rappers/singers making it big on using the exact same beat of another song, not adding anything to it, and calling it an "original." I agree. There is a difference between covering a song of one of your idols as a tribute, and making a CAREER out of using other people's music. Like I originally said, I don't mind when an artist does this act once or twice every so often, but I cannot and will NOT ever put hold an artist that can't compose their own music and/or music into the same "greatness" category of artists that do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa Report post Posted January 4, 2003 "Who was that band that completely aped Zepp's sound and made it somewhat big in the 80s? I can never remember the name." You're probably thinking of Whitesnake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Metal Maniac Report post Posted January 4, 2003 I'd like to point out that a great number of musicians who don't use samples for their music don't write their own stuff anyways. Some other people write it, say "Here, this'll sell" and send them on their merry way. Kind of a shame, really - in the music industry, it's hard to say that there's anyone who doesn't have at least some sort of musical talent - Sure, some people aren't as good at their instrument of choice as others, but for the most part, they at least aren't terrible. As far as I'm concerned, WRITING the music is what can make the difference between a good artist, and a great artist. Is it REALLY fair to compare someone who is an amazing guitarist, but can't write music to save his life, to someone who not only can write guitar, but also vocals, drums, and bass? Like, any group of idiots, right now, can go pick up a bunch of instruments, and learn how to play all the musical classics. But that doesn't even bring them close to the people who were inventive enough to CREATE this music in the first place. Yeah, you may think Metallica does a better version of "So What?", but it was the Anti-Nowhere Leauge who wrote the damn thing to begin with, and I think they deserve a hellava lot more credit for doing that then Metallica does for playing it well. I mean, would we call Picasso a great painter if he had to have someone make a sketch of something before he could paint it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted January 4, 2003 I think dismissing sampling as altogether worthless is kind of foolish. The best songs generally come out of the original music + original lyrics tradition, but no one's going to tell me that Paul's Boutique is poor because most of the music is assembled beats and bits. If you're clever enough to take a bit of a song and make it into a great foundation for a new work, then more power to you. How much of Jennifer Lopez's stuff is actually assembled from samples? I've never noticed a particularly catchy one, and have assumed she's just got the Hot Young Producers Of Today or whatever making loops and hooks for her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ant_7000 Report post Posted January 4, 2003 There's a rule in rap don't sample anything thats not over 10 years old, and J-Lo violates that rule in every song she does like the one "From the Block" produced by Irv Gotti that was a Beatnuts sample from 1997, and the one she did with Nas that produced by Irv Gotti that was the Luniz "I got 5 on it" sample that came out in 96. Oh just as reminder people who sample beats do not call theirs orginal they give props to originals. But I like sampling if its done right, I don't like Puff or Irv's samples they sound the same. I like the Neptunes/NERD sample of "Grindin" and another one that was creative to me was Styles P "Good Times" beat by Swizz Beats thats one who produced Ja Gay Rule and Metallica track. Then there's sample free producers who make original beats like Dre, Swizz, and Timbaland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted January 4, 2003 Ok, and lastly, sampling is different than just using their musical track while you sing lyrics. All JLo and Puff do, is play someone elses track, then add an extra "boom, boom" after the first "boom" and then call it their song. That is totally cheapening what is going on in the "underground" world of hip hop, where there is mixing/matching type sampling. It is really two different things, one can be considered art while the other is straight up theft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Man in Blak Report post Posted January 4, 2003 The worst casualty of Jennifer Lopez's "body of work" isn't her artistic integrity (she never had any, and she never will) or even her competition (Mariah would have died from STDs if J.Lo and others wouldn't have spurred that nervous breakdown). It's her acting. Not her acting career, per se, since every teenage girl dragged poor, unsuspecting boyfriends and family members to see Maid in Manhattan, but just the acting talent in general. Anyone else remember Out of Sight? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted January 4, 2003 JLO's formula for success = A beat, Two lines of lyrics repeated and Ja Rule(or any shitty pop rapper) screaming What, Huh or That's Right in the background. Of course she'll never change the formula...it's all she has. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest subliminal_animal Report post Posted January 5, 2003 (Mariah would have died from STDs if J.Lo and others wouldn't have spurred that nervous breakdown). What? Huh? Whaaaaaa ... ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
