Eminem hate...

[Guest Mole]

What brings me to ask this question is the emergence of John Cena into the wrestling world as a rapper. I have read a few times that Cena is just as bad as Eminem, so it brings me to write this.

 

Ever since Eminem has become a big star in America, it seems everyone is in love with him. He is the best selling recording artist of the year. His album, The Eminem Show, has sold 7.5 million records. The 8-Mile Soundtrack has sold 3.5 million records, with no signs of slowing down.

 

It seems that most of America is in love with Eminem. However, not on this board. This is the only place I have read all this Eminem hatered. Just about everyone I talk to likes Eminem. Not only do the people I talk to like him, but so do most of the critics. Most of the reviews that I have read, have given all Em's three albums great reviews.

 

My question is why is it here, on this board, I have read so much Eminem hatered?

 

In my opinion, he is one the best rappers in the business today, if not ever. He is right up there with Biggie, Dre, Snoop, 2Pac, and Nas. His lyrics are just so good, it is amazing. You can give Em a topic, and he will find a way to rhyme it together, and make it amazing. For example, on the song "My Dad has Gone Crazy," the last few lines of the song, he says:

 

And that's pretty much the gist of it/The parents are pissed but the kids love it/9 millimeter heater stashed in 2 seaters with meat cleavers/I don't blame you, I wouldn't let Hailie listen to me neither

 

When I first heard that rip, I was in amazement. That is just an example on how great his lyrics are. And not only are his lyrics amazing, but his beats are too. And he isn't like P. Diddy, or whatever his name is, he actually makes his own music. Maybe he doesn't make all of it, but he does produce most of his own music now, which is task in its own.

 

My favorite thing about Eminem is that he has a messege with every single song he writes, especially with his third album. White America talks about how America can be so dumb at times. Square Dance's messege is that this war isn't the answer. I could go on, but just listen to the songs yourself to hear the messege.

 

I mean, this is coming from someone who no longer likes rap anymore, other than Eminem. I used to be a huge rap fan, but now I have moved on. My favorite band is now Phish, along with String Cheese, and Strangefolk. However, I can appreciate his skills as a rapper, just as I appreciate Phish.

 

Let's face it, John Cena isn't anywhere near Eminem's league. So I really don't want to hear that again. Now, what is it YOU don't like about him?

[Guest Flyboy]

I love Eminem.

 

I have nothing to add to this thread until someone posts why they hate him.

[Guest Anglesault]

You can give Em a topic, and he will find a way to rhyme it together, and make it amazing. For example, on the song "My Dad has Gone Crazy," the last few lines of the song, he says:

 

And that's pretty much the gist of it/The parents are pissed but the kids love it/9 millimeter heater stashed in 2 seaters with meat cleavers/I don't blame you, I wouldn't let Hailie listen to me neither

Uhm...Wow?

 

he actually makes his own music.

 

Define "make"

 

My favorite thing about Eminem is that he has a messege with every single song he writes

 

Ooh, ooh, can I guess the "message" in this one?

 

[Chorus: repeat 2X]

"All I see is murder murder, my mind state" -> 2Pac

"Makes it too late for cops in tryin' to stop the crime rate" -> Swift

"All I see is murder murder, my mind state" -> 2Pac

Murder murder murder, and kill kill kill!

 

[Eminem]

Left the keys in the van, with a gat in each hand

Went up in Eastland and shot a policeman

Fuck a peace plan, if a citizen bystands

the shit is in my hands, here's yo' life span

And for what yo' life's worth; this money is twice than

You grab a couple grand and lay up in Iceland

See I'm a nice man but money turned me to Satan

I'm thirsty for this green so bad I'm dehydratin

Hurry up with the cash bitch, I got a ride waitin

Shot a man twice in the back when he tried escapin

I want the whole pie, I won't be denied nathan

Maybe I need my head inside straightened

Brain contemplatin, clean out the register

Dip before somebody catches ya

or gets ya description and sketches ya

Then connects you as the prime suspect

But I ain't set to flee the scene of the crime just yet

Cause I got a daughter to feed

And $200 ain't enough to water the seed, the best thing

would be for me to leave Taco Bell and hit up Chess King

And have the lady at the desk bring

money from the safe in the back, stepped in wavin the Mac

Cooperate and we can operate and save an attack

This bitch tried escapin the jack

Grabbed her by the throat, it's murder she wrote

You barely heard a word as she choked

It wasn't nuttin for her to be smoked

Then I slammed her on her back 'til her vertebrae broke

Just then the pigs bust in yellin "Freeze!"

But I'm already wanted for sellin ki's

And bunch of other felonies from A to Z like spellin bees

So before I dropped to the ground and fell on knees

I bust shots, they bust back

Hit the square in the chest, he wasn't wearin a vest

 

[Chorus]

 

[Eminem]

Left the house, pullin out the drive backin out

We were backin out this lady's Jag started blackin out

Pulled the Mac-10 out, stuck it in her face

Shut ya yakkin mouth, 'fore I blow the brain from out the back ya scalp

Drug her by her hair, smacked her up

Thinkin fuck it, mug her while you're there, jacked her up

Stole her car, made a profit

Grabbed the tape from out the deck and offed it out the window

like the girl on "Set it Off" did

Jetted off kid, stole the whip, now I'm a criminal

Drove it through somebody's yard, dove into they swimmin pool

Climbed out and collapsed on the patio

I made it out alive but I'm injured badly though

Parents screamin: "Son, go in and call the police

Tell 'em there's a crazy man disturbing all of the peace!"

Tried to stall him at least long enough to let me leap up

Run in they crib and at least leave with some little cheap stuff

Actin like they never seen nobody hit a lick before

Smashed the window, grabbed the Nintendo 64

When they sell out in stores the price triples

I ran up the block jumpin kids on tricycles

And collided with an 80-year old lady with groceries

There goes the cheese, eggs, milk and Post Toasties

Stood up and started to see stars

Too many siren sounds, it seemed like a thousand police cars

Barely escaped, musta been some dumb luck

Jumped up and climbed the back of a movin dump truck

But I think somebody seen me maybe

Plus I lost the damn Nintendo and I must-a dropped the Beanie Baby

Fuck it I give up, I'm surrounded in blue suits

Came out with a white flag hollerin "TRUCE TRUCE!"

(Don't shoot!) Surrendered my weapon to cops

Wasn't me!  It was the gangsta rap and the peppermint Schnapps

 

[Chorus]

 

[CHORUS scratches to fade out]

[Guest Flyboy]

he actually makes his own music.

 

Define "make"

 

He writes his own lyrics... I don't know about beats.

 

But, AS you hate rap, so you shouldn't have even bothered to post.

[Guest Mole]

You can give Em a topic, and he will find a way to rhyme it together, and make it amazing. For example, on the song "My Dad has Gone Crazy," the last few lines of the song, he says:

 

And that's pretty much the gist of it/The parents are pissed but the kids love it/9 millimeter heater stashed in 2 seaters with meat cleavers/I don't blame you, I wouldn't let Hailie listen to me neither

Uhm...Wow?

 

Wow, are not appreciating what he just rhymed?

 

And you picked a song from earlier in his career, when he was younger. Yes, there isn't a messege in that one. Actually, that song sucks by him. People can have bad songs at times. Okay, this song, and look at this messege:

 

[Eminem]

Never been the type to bend or budge

The wrong button to push, no friend of Bush

I'm the center piece, you're a Maltese

I'm a pitbull off his leash, all this peace talk can cease

All these people I had to leave in limbo

I'm back now, I've come to release this info

I'll be brief and let me just keep shit simple

+Cani-bitch+ don't want no beef with Slim

Nooooooo! Not even on my radar

So won't you please jump off my dick, lay off and stay off

And follow me as I put these crayons to chaos

from séance to séance, aw-er-aw-er-aw-eh-a

 

[Chorus 2X: Eminem]

C'mon now, let's all get on down

Let's do-si-do now, we gon' have a - good ol' time

Don't be scurred, cause thurr ain't nothin to worry 'bout

Let your hurr down (and square dance with me)

 

[Eminem]

Let your hair down to the track, yeah kick on back (boo!)

The Boogiemonster of rap, yeah the man's back

with a plan to ambush this Bush administration

Mush the Senate's face in, push this generation

of kids to stand and fight for the right to say somethin

you might not like, this white hot light

that I'm under, no wonder I look so sunburnt

Oh no I won't leave no stone unturned

Oh no I won't leave, won't go nowhere

Do-si-do, oh-yo-ho, hello there

Oh yeah, don't think I won't go there

Go to Beirut and do a show there

Yeah you laugh till your motherfuckin ass gets drafted

While you're at band camp thinkin the crap can't happen

'Til you fuck around, get an anthrax napkin

Inside a package wrapped in Saran Wrap wrappin

Open the plastic and then you stand back gaspin

Fuckin assassins, hijackin Amtraks, crashin

All this terror, America demands action

Next thing you know, you've got Uncle Sam's ass askin

to join the Army or what you'll do for their Navy

You just a baby, gettin recruited at eighteen

You're on a plane now, eatin their food and their baked beans

I'm twenty-eight, they gon

take you 'fore they take me

Crazy insane, or insane crazy?

When I say Hussein, you say Shady

My views ain't changed, still inhumane, wait

Arraigned two days late, the date's today, hang me!

 

[Chorus]

 

[Eminem]

Nothin moves me more than a groove that soothes me

Nothin soothes me more than a groove that boosts me

Nothin boosts me more, or suits me beautifully

There's nothin you can do to me, stab me shoot me

Psychotic hypnotic product, I got it the antibiotic

Ain't nobody hotter and so on and yada yada

God I talk a lotta hum-de-lay-de-la-la

Oochie walla-walla, um-di-da-dah da-dah but you gotta gotta

keep movin, there's more music to make

Keep makin new shit, produce hits to break

the monotony, what's gotten into me?

Drugs, rock, and Hennessey, thug like I'm 'Pac on my enemies

On your knees, got you under siege

Somebody you would give a lung to be

Hun-ga-ry, like a fuckin younger me

Fuck the fee, I can get you jumped for free

Yeah buddy, laugh it's funny, I have the money

to have you killed by somebody who has nothing

I'm past bluffing, pass the K-Y

Let's get ready for some intense, serious ass fucking!

 

What kind of music do you like Anglesault?

[Guest Mole]

And 'make' his own music.

 

You know, he gets on the drum beats, or the keyboard and writes the music.

 

Actually Flyboy, it comes from the Cena topic. I told him to go in here so we can argue this.

[Guest cartman]

I'll get flamed for this of course but the reason (I believe) that Eminem gets no love on THIS board is because THIS board has alot of Metalheads and Musical snobs that dont like things when they become popular...JUST because it's popular.

[Guest Anglesault]

From what I can tell, he's trying to make some sort of a statement on something. it kind of loses impact when you say "Jump off my dick." And apparently he doesn't want us defending the country. Okay, whatever. To each his own, I guess.

[Guest Flyboy]

I agree with cartman.

 

If you're not , then it ain't cool.

[Guest Mole]

You are right Cartman, that is why.

[Guest Flyboy]

And apparently he doesn't want us defending the country.

At the end of that song he says:

 

"I'm just playin' America. You know I love you."

 

But, whatever.

[Guest Mole]

Yeah, which is a good messege.

 

You didn't answer my question, what music do you like?????

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm not really a metalhead. Hard rock, yes, heavy metal, no.

 

At the end of that song he says:

 

"I'm just playin' America. You know I love you."

 

Did I miss that?

 

So what the hell is his point?

[Guest Mole]

And apparently he doesn't want us defending the country.

At the end of that song he says:

 

"I'm just playin' America. You know I love you."

 

But, whatever.

Well, the song I posted was Square Dance, but the song you were talking about was White America. Which is another song with a great messege, so I'll post that too:

 

America!! Hahaha! We love you!

How many people are proud to be citizens of this beautiful country of ours?

The stripes and the stars for the rights that men have died for to protect

The women and men who have broke their necks for the freedom of speech

the United States government has sworn to uphold..

(Yo, I want everybody to listen to the words of this song) .. or so we're told

 

[Eminem]

I never woulda dreamed in a million years I'd see

so many motherfuckin people, who feel like me

Who share the same views and the same exact beliefs

It's like a fuckin ARMY marchin in back of me

So many lives I touched, so much anger aimed

in no particular direction, just sprays and sprays

And straight through your radio waves, it plays and plays

'til it stays stuck in your head, for days and days

Who woulda thought; standin in this mirror bleachin my hair

with some peroxide, reachin for a t-shirt to wear

that I would catapult to the forefront of rap like this?

How could I predict my words would have an impact like this?

I must've struck a chord with somebody up in the office

Cause Congress keep tellin me, I ain't causin nuthin but problems

And now they're sayin I'm in trouble with the government - I'm lovin it!

I shoveled shit all my life, and now I'm dumpin it on

 

[Chorus 2X: Eminem]

White America! I could be one of your kids

White America! Little Eric looks just like this

White America! Erica loves my shit

I go to TRL; look how many hugs I get!

 

[Eminem]

Look at these eyes, baby blue, baby just like yourself

If they were brown Shady lose, Shady sits on the shelf

But Shady's cute, Shady knew Shady's dimples would help

Make ladies swoon baby (ooh baby!) Look at my sales

Let's do the math - if I was black, I woulda sold half

I ain't have to graduate from Lincoln High School to know that

But I could rap, so fuck school, I'm too cool to go back

Gimme the mic, show me where the fuckin studio's at

When I was underground, no one gave a fuck I was white

No labels wanted to sign me, almost gave up I was like

Fuck it - until I met Dre, the only one to look past

Gave me a chance aand I lit a FIRE up under his ass

Helped him get back to the top, every fan black that I got

was probably his in exchange for every white fan that he's got

Like damn; we just swapped - sittin back lookin at shit, wow

I'm like my skin is it startin to work to my benefit now? It's..

 

[Chorus]

 

[Eminem]

See the problem is, I speak to suburban kids

who otherwise woulda never knew these words exist

Whose moms probably woulda never gave two squirts of piss

'til I created so much motherfuckin turbulence!

Straight out the tube, right into your living rooms I came

And kids flipped, when they knew I was produced by Dre

That's all it took, and they were instantly hooked right in

And they connected with me too because I looked like them

That's why they put my lyrics up under this microscope

Searchin with a fine tooth comb, it's like this rope

waitin to choke; tightenin around my throat

Watchin me while I write this, like I don't like this (Nope!)

All I hear is: lyrics, lyrics, constant controversy, sponsors working

round the clock to try to stop my concerts early, surely

Hip-Hop was never a problem in Harlem only in Boston

After it bothered the fathers of daughters startin to blossom

So now I'm catchin the flack from these activists when they raggin

Actin like I'm the first rapper to smack a bitch or say faggot, shit!

Just look at me like I'm your closest pal

The posterchild, the motherfuckin spokesman now for..

 

[Chorus]

 

[Outro]

So to the parents of America

I am the derringer aimed at little Erica to attack her character

The ringleader of this circus of worthless pawns

Sent to lead the march right up to the steps of Congress

and piss on the lawns of the White House

To burn the {flag} and replace it with a Parental Advisory sticker

To spit liquor in the faces of this democracy of hypocrisy

Fuck you Ms. Cheney! Fuck you Tipper Gore!

Fuck you with the free-est of speech

this Divided States of Embarassment will allow me to have

Fuck you!

 

{*Eminem harmonizes the beat*}

 

I'm just playin America, you know I love you

[Guest Anglesault]

Yeah, which is a good messege.

"Don't defend your country" is a good message? Why?

[Guest Mole]

So name a few bands you like then. Just curious, thats all.

[Guest Flyboy]

Well, the song I posted was Square Dance, but the song you were talking about was White America. Which is another song with a great messege, so I'll post that too:

I didn't notice.

 

All I heard was "defending your country" and thought of "White America".

[Guest Anglesault]

And apparently he doesn't want us defending the country.

At the end of that song he says:

 

"I'm just playin' America. You know I love you."

 

But, whatever.

Well, the song I posted was Square Dance, but the song you were talking about was White America. Which is another song with a great messege, so I'll post that too:

 

America!! Hahaha! We love you!

How many people are proud to be citizens of this beautiful country of ours?

The stripes and the stars for the rights that men have died for to protect

The women and men who have broke their necks for the freedom of speech

the United States government has sworn to uphold..

(Yo, I want everybody to listen to the words of this song) .. or so we're told

 

[Eminem]

I never woulda dreamed in a million years I'd see

so many motherfuckin people, who feel like me

Who share the same views and the same exact beliefs

It's like a fuckin ARMY marchin in back of me

So many lives I touched, so much anger aimed

in no particular direction, just sprays and sprays

And straight through your radio waves, it plays and plays

'til it stays stuck in your head, for days and days

Who woulda thought; standin in this mirror bleachin my hair

with some peroxide, reachin for a t-shirt to wear

that I would catapult to the forefront of rap like this?

How could I predict my words would have an impact like this?

I must've struck a chord with somebody up in the office

Cause Congress keep tellin me, I ain't causin nuthin but problems

And now they're sayin I'm in trouble with the government - I'm lovin it!

I shoveled shit all my life, and now I'm dumpin it on

 

[Chorus 2X: Eminem]

White America! I could be one of your kids

White America! Little Eric looks just like this

White America! Erica loves my shit

I go to TRL; look how many hugs I get!

 

[Eminem]

Look at these eyes, baby blue, baby just like yourself

If they were brown Shady lose, Shady sits on the shelf

But Shady's cute, Shady knew Shady's dimples would help

Make ladies swoon baby (ooh baby!) Look at my sales

Let's do the math - if I was black, I woulda sold half

I ain't have to graduate from Lincoln High School to know that

But I could rap, so fuck school, I'm too cool to go back

Gimme the mic, show me where the fuckin studio's at

When I was underground, no one gave a fuck I was white

No labels wanted to sign me, almost gave up I was like

Fuck it - until I met Dre, the only one to look past

Gave me a chance aand I lit a FIRE up under his ass

Helped him get back to the top, every fan black that I got

was probably his in exchange for every white fan that he's got

Like damn; we just swapped - sittin back lookin at shit, wow

I'm like my skin is it startin to work to my benefit now? It's..

 

[Chorus]

 

[Eminem]

See the problem is, I speak to suburban kids

who otherwise woulda never knew these words exist

Whose moms probably woulda never gave two squirts of piss

'til I created so much motherfuckin turbulence!

Straight out the tube, right into your living rooms I came

And kids flipped, when they knew I was produced by Dre

That's all it took, and they were instantly hooked right in

And they connected with me too because I looked like them

That's why they put my lyrics up under this microscope

Searchin with a fine tooth comb, it's like this rope

waitin to choke; tightenin around my throat

Watchin me while I write this, like I don't like this (Nope!)

All I hear is: lyrics, lyrics, constant controversy, sponsors working

round the clock to try to stop my concerts early, surely

Hip-Hop was never a problem in Harlem only in Boston

After it bothered the fathers of daughters startin to blossom

So now I'm catchin the flack from these activists when they raggin

Actin like I'm the first rapper to smack a bitch or say faggot, shit!

Just look at me like I'm your closest pal

The posterchild, the motherfuckin spokesman now for..

 

[Chorus]

 

[Outro]

So to the parents of America

I am the derringer aimed at little Erica to attack her character

The ringleader of this circus of worthless pawns

Sent to lead the march right up to the steps of Congress

and piss on the lawns of the White House

To burn the {flag} and replace it with a Parental Advisory sticker

To spit liquor in the faces of this democracy of hypocrisy

Fuck you Ms. Cheney! Fuck you Tipper Gore!

Fuck you with the free-est of speech

this Divided States of Embarassment will allow me to have

Fuck you!

 

{*Eminem harmonizes the beat*}

 

I'm just playin America, you know I love you

No, I have no clue what the hell he was trying to accomplish with that.

 

 

 

So name a few bands you like then. Just curious, thats all.

 

Beatles, Wings, Stones, Aerosmith, Eagles. Can tolerate the Doors.

[Guest Mole]

Yeah, which is a good messege.

"Don't defend your country" is a good message? Why?

He is talking about us going to war with Iraq, and if the draft might happens. I don't think we should go to war with Iraq, so if you don't believe in something, why defend the country?

 

And I am not getting in argument about the war with Iraq, so don't even start.

[Guest Anglesault]

I don't agree at all, but right, not the place or time.

[Guest Flyboy]

molestomp is posting some of Em's "okay" work... he hasn't even reach the good stuff yet.

 

Like "Run Rabbit Run" for starters.

 

Some days I just wanna up and call it quits,

I feel like i'm surrounded by a wall of bricks,

Everytime I go to get up I just fall in pits,

My life's like one great big ball of shit,

If I could just put it all in to all I spit,

Instead I always try to swallow it,

Instead of staring at this wall and shit,

While I sit writers block sick of all this shit,

Can't call it shit, all I know is I'm about to hit the wall,

If I have to see another one of mom's alcoholic fits,

This is it, last straw, thats all, thats it,

I ain't dealing with another fucking politic,

I'm like a skillet bubble in him, till it filters up,

I'm about to kill it, I can feel it building up,

Blow this building up, I've concealed enough,

My cup run'ith over I've done and filled it up,

The pen explodes and busts and ink spills my guts,

You think all I do is stand here and feel my nuts,

But I'm a show you, what, you gonna feel my rush,

You dont feel it then it must be to real to touch,

Build a dutch, I'm about to tear shit up,

Goosebumps, yeah I'm a make your hair sit up,

Yeah sit up, I'm a tell you who I be,

I'm a make you hate me cause you ain't me,

You ain't, it ain't to late to finally see,

What you close minded fucks were to blind to see,

Whoever finds me, is gonna get a finders fee,

Out this world and ain't no one out their mind as me,

You need peace of mind, here's a piece of mine,

All I need's a line but sometimes,

I dont always find the words to rhyme,

To express how i'm really feeling at that time,

Yeah sometimes, sometimes, sometimes, just sometimes,

It's always me, how dark can these hallways be,

The clock stikes midnight, 1, 2, then half past 3,

This half ass rhyme with this half ass piece of paper,

I'm desperate at my desk if I could just get the rest,

Of this shit off my chest, again, stuck in this slump,

Can't think of nothing, fuck I'm stumped,

But wait here comes something,

Nope, it's not good enough, scribble it out, new pad,

Crinkle it up and throw that shit out,

I'm fizzling now thought I had figured it out,

Ball's in my court but I'm scared to dribble it out,

But I'm afraid, but why am I afaid, why am I a slave to this trade,

Sign that I'll spit to the grave, real enough to rile you up,

Want me to flip it I can rip it any style you want,

I'm a switch hitter bitch, Jimmy Smith aint a quitter,

I'm a sit here till I get enough,

For me to finally hit a fucking boiling point,

Put some oil in your joints,

Flip the coin bitch come get destroyed,

An MC's worst dream I make them tense they hate me,

See me and shake like a chain-link fence,

By the looks of them you would swear Jaws was coming,

By the scream of them you would swear i'm sawing someone,

By the way they running you would swear the law was coming,

It's now or never and tonight It's all or nothing,

Momma, Jimmy keeps leaving on us, he said he'd be back,

He pinky promised, I dont think he's honest,

I be back baby I just got to beat this clock,

Fuck this clock, I'm a make them eat this watch,

Don't believe me watch, I'm a win this race,

and i'm a come back and rub my shit in your face,

Bitch, I found my niche, you gonna hear my voice,

Till you sick of it you ain't gonna have a choice,

If I gotta scream till I have half a lung,

If I have half a chance I grab it, rabbit run.

 

Did anyone see a chorus? Nope.

[Guest Mole]

No, I have no clue what the hell he was trying to accomplish with that.

 

So name a few bands you like then. Just curious, thats all.

 

Beatles, Wings, Stones, Aerosmith, Eagles. Can tolerate the Doors.

You can't figure out what he is saying in that? Basically, that every kid in America is in love with him, and that the gov't hates him. And the fact that he is white, and that is the only reason why he is doing so well. He is white, he can rap well, so America can relate to him.

 

Just download the song, and listen to it. His point gets across a lot easier that way.

 

And you have a good taste in music. Are you a fan of the Dead?

[Guest Mole]

Well, I was posting the songs that he gets messeges across. Actually, I love the song 'Square Dance.'

 

But yes, Rabbit Run is a great rip. Just a straight out freestyle, which he rips hardcore.

[Guest Flyboy]

People... it's not hard to use the Backspace key.

[Guest Anglesault]

And the fact that he is white, and that is the only reason why he is doing so well.

 

Now, that's not necessary. There are no successful Black people in the US? Now really.

 

Are you a fan of the Dead?

 

Somewhat.

[Guest Mole]

People... it's not hard to use the Backspace key.

 

Huh, that towards me?

 

But Anglesault, bascially you just listen to a completly different type of music. I happen to love that type of music also.

 

I understand why you wouldn't like Em, however, just please don't call Cena just as bad as he is. A smart man like you, can atleast tell that Cena's lyrics are NO WHERE as good as Em's. You have to admit that.

[Guest Anglesault]

I do think that that's what he's (Cena) going for. And I'm not one to really go and look up lyrics, so if I can't undestand what Eminem is saying, I'm not going out of my way to look it up, and I'm going by how similar they sound.

[Guest Mole]

And the fact that he is white, and that is the only reason why he is doing so well.

 

Now, that's not necessary. There are no successful Black people in the US? Now really.

 

No, you missed the point. There aren't too many rap artists who sold just as many records as he did. So far, Eminem as sold 22 million records all together, and that is still counting.

 

Yes, there are successfull black people in this country, no shit.

 

Eminem is saying that he wouldn't of done as well if he wasn't white. That is one thing that is so appealing about him. He is white and can rap just as well as black people can. That is one messege he gets across in White America.

[Guest Flyboy]

Huh, that towards me?

 

I understand why you wouldn't like Em,

1. Yes. All that quotating is making the page long as hell.

 

 

2. He hates rap... leave him alone. Can't preach to the choir if they aren't listening... or something like that.

[Guest Mole]

Okay, I am not going to get across to you about this, no matter how long I argue. You are one stubborn bastard. You should have an argument with my friend Mike, you might enjoy that one actually.

 

Let's put it this way. Vanilla Ice was a terrible rapper, and Cena sounds just like him. If Eminem were to sound just like Ice and Cena, he wouldn't be still around, selling 22 million records all together.

 

To a person who doesn't listen to rap, you wouldn't really know who or what sounds good or not. It is like my mother, she doesn't listen to rap, so she says it all sounds the same. She loves flowers, but all flowers are the same to me.

 

Same type of deal. Do you get what I am saying?