How did WWE have such a rough 2002 when...

[Guest Downhome]

I was just thinking about this year, and there have been a lot of classic moments that have taken place, which makes me wonder how in the HELL WWE fucked up so much. I mean, we have...

 

1) The nWo return, with Hall, Nash, and Hogan.

 

2) Chris Jericho as WWF Champion.

 

3) Hulk Hogan Vs. Rocky

 

4) Hogan wins world title once more.

 

5) HBK makes a return to the ring after four years.

 

6) HBK wins world title once more.

 

7) The split took place.

 

8) Team Angle.

 

9) Ric Flair's return debut.

 

10) Eric f'n Bishoff actually becoming a big part of WWF/WWF.

 

11) WWF was forced to change it's name to WWE.

 

12) Brock Lesnar's becoming a star.

 

13) Various awesome matches by various people.

 

14) MANY chances to build people up all year, like Angle, Booker, RVD, etc...

 

...almost all of this was pissed on and ended up meaning anything. They had MORE than one chance to make something of this year, and failed to. This is why I don't understand their having such a bad year, it just doesn't make sense to me at all.

 

Sincerely,

...Downhome...

[Guest bob_barron]

How was WWF changings its name a classic moment?

 

And Team Angle happened on the last show of the year so that shouldn't be there.

 

HBK and Hogan both winning titles were both huge mistakes and wouldn't have led to anything good

[Guest AndrewTS]

11) WWF was forced to change it's name to WWE.

 

How is this a good thing?

[Guest Downhome]

11) WWF was forced to change it's name to WWE.

 

How is this a good thing?

No, I don't mean that was a good thing. It was just something MAJOR that happened, that they should have found some way to work around to make something from from it for the good of the company, if that makes sense.

 

I'm just talking about things that were MAJOR, which could have been turned around some way to end up better than it did, etc... Not all I'm talking about ended up being good, that is the point./

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Because they're fucking retards. It's really that simple.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Yes...being F'n retards does hurt them.

[Guest tpww7]

They continued to push HHH. And the whole split has done mroe damage than good.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

1. Because the only one that meant anything was Hogan.

 

2. Anybody who expected Chris to actually do something with the title was just fooling themselves.

 

3. Fwah.

 

4. Fwah.

 

5. Fwah.

 

6. Fwah.

 

7. It was fucked from the start.

 

8. Doesn't even count.

 

9. Ownership angles blow ass and have been doing so since Russo ran them into the ground.

 

10. Because Vince has to show who has the bigger cock. DUH...

 

11.

 

12. He just started hitting his stride as a popular face, give the WWE time to fuck it up.

 

13. Doesn't matter when the people who put out said matches are buried for whatever reason(i.e. the Hoss Effect or in Micheals and Hogan's cases, the Geezer Effect).

 

14. That's ALWAYS been a problem with the WWF/E, so why are you so surprised?

[Guest bob_barron]

What does Fwah mean?

[Guest Downhome]

1. Because the only one that meant anything was Hogan.

 

2. Anybody who expected Chris to actually do something with the title was just fooling themselves.

 

3. Fwah.

 

4. Fwah.

 

5. Fwah.

 

6. Fwah.

 

7. It was fucked from the start.

 

8. Doesn't even count.

 

9. Ownership angles blow ass and have been doing so since Russo ran them into the ground.

 

10. Because Vince has to show who has the bigger cock. DUH...

 

11.

 

12. He just started hitting his stride as a popular face, give the WWE time to fuck it up.

 

13. Doesn't matter when the people who put out said matches are buried for whatever reason(i.e. the Hoss Effect or in Micheals and Hogan's cases, the Geezer Effect).

 

14. That's ALWAYS been a problem with the WWF/E, so why are you so surprised?

My point, is that there were many chances all year. Many "classic" moments took place, and they were handed the ball over and over. There simply is no excuse for them having such a bad year, I don't think anyone else could fuck everything up as much as they did.

[Guest bob_barron]

Why put Team Angle in there??

 

And again- how does changing the company name mean anything?

 

Why put Angle in that list when he is the world champion of Smackdown!?

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Seriously people, four words are all you'll ever need:

 

" Because they're fucking retards."

 

It's truthful, simple and to the point. Why waste your time with long and dull explanations? B.T.F.R is all you'll ever need.

[Guest Downhome]

Why put Team Angle in there??

 

And again- how does changing the company name mean anything?

 

Why put Angle in that list when he is the world champion of Smackdown!?

Because they were both HUGE news. I find it odd that in a year full of huge happenings, that they could still end up having such a bad year over all. Regardless of when something happend. When people look back they'll see all these huge happenings that took place, then wonder just why it was such a failure of a year.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

How the hell is Team Angle forming "classic" or "HUGE news"? They're just midcard tag team flunkies for Angle to boss around like the Andersons were with Flair, so BFD.

 

Oh, and Bob, "Fwah" is my way of dismissing stuff I consider meaningless.

[Guest Luke Michael]

It is really sad that WWE did all those "shocking" things and still messed it all up. There's no continuation and that sucks. They do a major storyline for 1 or 2 months and forget it and move on. There's no build-up at all. I can't believe Vince Mcmahon has become this pathetic in his work.

 

Look at how the owner storyline of the WWE changed. For Jan to April Flair and McMahon were co-owners and fought like dogs. From April to June or July (can't remember) Flair and McMahon both control a show but then McMahon wins them both. From the end of summer to now McMahon gives control to Stephanie and Eric Bischoff.

 

Three major ownership changes in one year and not one major feud between any of the owners? There weren't any major feuds period though. The closest thing we actually got to a feud was Brock/Undertaker and Shawn Michaels/Triple H.

 

Let's look on the bright side though. The first 3 months of the year always are great so we will probally have until April to enjoy WWE. Smackdown has been a good show in 2002 too and I imagine it might get better in 2003. Brock vs Angle will kick ass!!

 

RAW is another story though. I haven't even watched it in over a month.

[Guest Downhome]

How the hell is Team Angle forming "classic" or "HUGE news"? They're just midcard tag team flunkies for Angle to boss around like the Andersons were with Flair, so BFD.

Because it was the begining of the main angle in all of WWE. It may or may not end up being huge, but I consider it major, as it was the true starting point of this huge angle.

[Guest jester]

B.T.F.R is all you'll ever need.

New acronym, like Oh TAG!

[Guest bob_barron]

Wasn't the true starting point in October when Brock v. Big Show began?

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Ummmm... Brock/Angle had been slowly and silently built up for a couple of months before the whole Team Angle crap and you're mistaken: Brock/Angle is the main thing for Smackdown, Team Angle = sideshow and eventual Lesnar cannon fodder next month.

 

So really, it's not "classic" or "huge news". As a matter of fact, most of the stuff you listed didn't fit under either catagory as well(the good matches, Brock becoming a star, and building new stars)

[Guest Downhome]

Ummmm... Brock/Angle had been slowly and silently built up for a couple of months before the whole Team Angle crap and you're mistaken: Brock/Angle is the main thing for Smackdown, Team Angle = sideshow and eventual Lesnar cannon fodder next month.

 

So really, it's not "classic" or "huge news". As a matter of fact, most of the stuff you listed didn't fit under either catagory as well(the good matches, Brock becoming a star, and building new stars)

You are totally missing the point. I was simply listing things that happened this year that when you think about it, it's weird how they screwed up so much, with so much going on that could have worked the other way.

 

I don't think the Angle, uh, angle, really began untill he was given Team Angle. It was then that it was truly set into motion, that he's going to be a major deal. This past SD furthered it, by showing us his new attitude.

[Guest Mole]

You know why WWE was such a mess? Two words:

 

Brian Gertwitz

[Guest AndrewTS]

Seriously people, four words are all you'll ever need:

 

" Because they're fucking retards."

 

It's truthful, simple and to the point. Why waste your time with long and dull explanations? B.T.F.R is all you'll ever need.

Or as I like to succintly put it: "WWE Logic."

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Seriously people, four words are all you'll ever need:

 

" Because they're fucking retards."

 

It's truthful, simple and to the point. Why waste your time with long and dull explanations? B.T.F.R is all you'll ever need.

Or as I like to succintly put it: "WWE Logic."

Isn't that a contradiction of terms, like Military Intelligence?

[Guest redbaron51]

Downhome, look at you sig...

 

thats why

[Guest Downhome]

Seriously people, four words are all you'll ever need:

 

" Because they're fucking retards."

 

It's truthful, simple and to the point. Why waste your time with long and dull explanations? B.T.F.R is all you'll ever need.

Or as I like to succintly put it: "WWE Logic."

Isn't that a contradiction of terms, like Military Intelligence?

Or politically correct.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

You are totally missing the point. I was simply listing things that happened this year that when you think about it, it's weird how they screwed up so much, with so much going on that could have worked the other way.

Considering the man making all of the decisions, why would it be weird? Hell, Vince was doing shit like this when the WWF was hitting their peak in 2000. It's no surprise at all that McMahon would manage to fuck up this badly because he's done it before.

 

 

I don't think the Angle, uh, angle, really began untill he was given Team Angle. It was then that it was truly set into motion, that he's going to be a major deal. This past SD furthered it, by showing us his new attitude.

That's just character development. Team Angle is still just a midcard tag team for Kurt to boss around. I'm not saying that they don't matter, but in the big scheme of things, they are just cannon fodder for Brock.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Seriously people, four words are all you'll ever need:

 

" Because they're fucking retards."

 

It's truthful, simple and to the point. Why waste your time with long and dull explanations? B.T.F.R is all you'll ever need.

Or as I like to succintly put it: "WWE Logic."

Isn't that a contradiction of terms, like Military Intelligence?

Or politically correct.

Sort of. I've defined it below in my sig.

[Guest Angle Armbar]

I was just thinking about this year, and there have been a lot of classic moments that have taken place, which makes me wonder how in the HELL WWE fucked up so much. I mean, we have...

 

1) The nWo return, with Hall, Nash, and Hogan.

 

2) Chris Jericho as WWF Champion.

 

3) Hulk Hogan Vs. Rocky

 

4) Hogan wins world title once more.

 

5) HBK makes a return to the ring after four years.

 

6) HBK wins world title once more.

 

7) The split took place.

 

8) Team Angle.

 

9) Ric Flair's return debut.

 

10) Eric f'n Bishoff actually becoming a big part of WWF/WWF.

 

11) WWF was forced to change it's name to WWE.

 

12) Brock Lesnar's becoming a star.

 

13) Various awesome matches by various people.

 

14) MANY chances to build people up all year, like Angle, Booker, RVD, etc...

 

...almost all of this was pissed on and ended up meaning anything. They had MORE than one chance to make something of this year, and failed to. This is why I don't understand their having such a bad year, it just doesn't make sense to me at all.

 

Sincerely,

...Downhome...

1) There's no positives about signing Kevin Nash. I would hardly consider this a classic moment, because the nWo was a joke that never had a chance of succeeding.

 

2) In effect, Jericho was never champion. A belt is meaningless when you're perceived as far below the best wrestler in the fed.

 

3) 1 shot deal. Like every smark cried, Hogan was be a good short-term boost, but in time would make things worse.

 

4) Hogan never needed the title. Just put him in there for nostalgia pops, don't need him stinking up the main event for an extended period of time.

 

5) HBK wasn't a disappointment, he was quite over when he came back. Problem again, that's worn off, and he's another old fart that most fans today don't remember when he was great. Boring feud that never ends with Trips hasn't helped.

 

6) I don't think it was a mistake giving HBK a short run with the title, because he did put on a great match at SummerSlam. The big gold belt was ruined before HBK.

 

7) The split has not caused any of these problems.

 

8) Team Angle isn't a classic moment, yet at least.

 

9) Flair was a legend, but he looks like a flabby old man. There's no reason the fans who never watched him in his prime should take him seriously.

 

10) Most fans don't give a shit about Bischoff's past. He did play the sleazy GM heel role well, but the GM/Commissioner angles need to die.

 

12) Brock is becoming a star, but not on his own. Brock has been growing on me, he's put on some good matches, but this is starting to look like HHH's push in 99-2000 where he was getting over basically just for beating everyone. The fans will get sick of this, and Brock will have to do something to make the fans care about him, which he hasn't shown yet.

 

14) That's not stopping.

[Guest jester]

I think what Downhome is trying to say is that of all the things he listed, WWE was unable to carry anything positive away. Of course the name change to WWE was a bad thing, but not only was it a bad thing, it was probably as bad as it could possible get. Was there any time this year when they were able to make a bad situation better?

 

The closest thing I can think of is Austin's departure. Having the Rock come back unexpectedly to make that speech was about the smartest move they could make. Rock departing for Hollywood a few months later and then shitting all over Austin on Confidential was far less classy and smart, but this is the only bad situation from this year that WWE didn't handle 100% wrong.