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January 6, 2003

Can some make me a Patrick J Buchanan banner? He is a politician and has a tv show on msnbc. Thanks in advance.

--Rob

January 7, 2003

can anyone help me out?

--Rob

January 9, 2003

anyone? If you make me a good one i'll send you $5 through pay pal.

--Rob

January 9, 2003

You realize what you're asking for, correct? Ever consider that might have something to do with no one wanting to make it?

January 9, 2003

that is why I will pay for it.

--Rob

January 10, 2003

Any text in particular that you want? Like, do you want it to say anything special?

Edit: I don't even know if that's the right dude.

January 10, 2003

Sure say "Vote for Buhcanan in 2004"

--Rob

January 10, 2003

While you're at it, "Eat A Queer Fetus For Jesus And Kill Those Damn Jews."

Hey, might as well put his agenda with an endorsement, right?

January 10, 2003

You obviously have not read his books. You are speaking out of your ass.

--Rob

January 11, 2003

Alright, lemme know what you think about this one:

January 11, 2003

heh, I like the cartoon. Can you do something else other than the stone etch?

--Rob

January 12, 2003

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January 12, 2003

cool dude, good enough, let me get your e-mail address so I can paypal you.

--Rob

January 12, 2003

Nah, it's cool man.

January 13, 2003

Thank you. You are the man.

--Rob

January 13, 2003

Just as the SmartMarks Leading Lesbian, may I say this, officially:

Eww.

that is all.

-Annie

January 13, 2003

As a human being, let me say this:

VOTE FOR THE FURHER IN 2004!!!!*

...

*Or Buchanan. Same difference.

January 13, 2003

Kotz, have you ever read his books? You compare him to a fascist, but on what grounds? Let me know, I am dying to hear your response.

--Rob

January 13, 2003

Annie, do you have a vice-lesbian?

I've fallen behind in keeping track of these matters.

January 13, 2003

Annie, do you have a vice-lesbian?

I've fallen behind in keeping track of these matters.

Hmmm, well my girlfriend might be but she doesn't post here. Erm... if my friend Dolly would post here she could be, but she doesn't. I don't think I do actually. Damn, I should get to work on that.

And as for the Buchanan debate, reading his books is not going to be much of a true form to judge the man on. Every book goes through HEAVY editing to weed out anything that could potentially prevent the book being sold. You only need go to direct quotes from the man himself to show what a horrendously biased, bigoted, and bitter old man he is.

Why not go for a Conservative that has some class? Like John McCain. I'm a liberal but if I were to vote between McCain and Gore instead of Bush, I'd have voted McCain.

EDIT: To completely bury this debate, may I point out F.A.I.R.'s report on Buchanon. This report contains many of his direct quotes during his 1996 presidential campaign and showed why not even the masses of America were dumb enough to vote him in.

Report on Buchanon

-Annie

January 13, 2003

For those unwilling to completely read that lemme give you a few tidbits that really speak out to me personally.

On Gays

On AIDS, Buchanan wrote in 1983: "The poor homosexuals -- they have declared war upon nature, and now nature is extracting an awful retribution (AIDS)." (Los Angeles Times, 11/28/86) Later that year, he demanded that New York City Ed Koch and New York Gov. Mario Cuomo cancel the Gay Pride Parade or else "be held personally responsible for the spread of the AIDS plague." "With 80,000 dead of AIDS, our promiscuous homosexuals appear literally hell-bent on Satanism and suicide," Buchanan wrote in 1990 (syndicated column, 10/17/90).

On Women

"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." (syndicated column, 11/22/83)

"The real liberators of American women were not the feminist noise-makers, they were the automobile, the supermarket, the shopping center, the dishwasher, the washer-dryer, the freezer." (Right from the Beginning, p. 149)

... So, I'm singlehandedly reporting the worship of satan, ruining all of society, and that I'd be better off barefoot and pregnant. Ladies and gentlemen: your Rupublican Candidate for Presidency.

Thbbbbbpt.

-Annie

January 14, 2003

good god, you can't just pull out anti-buchanan propaganda with quotes taken out of context and expect me agree with you. No person is perfect, but his ideas to jump start our economy and protect our borders is exactly what we need in office right now. I'm sorry if he doesn't like gay people, oh well. No one is perfect but, no one could be any worse thqan clinton. BTW I used to like McCain until he he used a dirty campaign opn bush. Now you tell me is McCain has class?

--Rob

January 14, 2003

Compared to Bush or the Fuhrer?

...well, yeah.

K.

January 14, 2003

How out of context can they be taken? Only if the line previous to those statements were "I believe the following statement to be false" could he possibly be taken out of context. The context itself is in the statements!

I'm sorry if he doesn't like gay people, oh well. No one is perfect but, no one could be any worse thqan clinton.

Hmm, ok. A few points.

1) Clinton got this country out of a deficit and got your economy hellaciously high. Say, a trillion up? Where are you now in the third year of Bush's term? 200 billion down. Good job.

2) Yes, it's too bad that Buchanon wants me and my ilk to be shot on sight, or possibly burned. That's a bummer on my behalf. Damn.

3) this point just constantly irks me. Clinton gets impeached for something have LITERALLY ZERO to do with his political job. He had sex with an intern while married. That's not good, no. No arguement there. But Conservatives love to make that like he was the second coming of Satan. Politically, he did an incredible job as President of the US.

actually, this isn't my point yet. sorry. I tend to get long winded....

My point is that with that scandal the Repubs were on him like white on rice. Now, fast forward to the first year of Bush's term. His daughters, under the watch of the Secret Service, drink underage and get caught and arrested. Laura Bush said she approved of her daughters and thought it was simply a healthy attitude to life. Bush simply told the media to not involve this in the media because his family life has nothing to do with his political career.

.... HELLO???? Hypocrisy, thy name is Dubya.

Grrr. this makes me mad. I'm SO glad I moved to Canada. Yes, our economy sucks, but we don't have a total nimrod running our country and attacking middle east countries cause 'our daddy missed him the first time'

-Annie

January 14, 2003

It's ok Rob, because I remember forcing myself to be that much in denial, to have to fool myself that much. But at least I had a closet to come out of. I don't know how I could help you.

-Annie

January 14, 2003

"1) Clinton got this country out of a deficit and got your economy hellaciously high. Say, a trillion up? Where are you now in the third year of Bush's term? 200 billion down. Good job."

hahahaha, those were the most ignorant one minded comments you just mentioned. Clinton a good president HA. The reason clinton had the economy turn around was because he was riding reagans coat tails. You see when the governemt passes bills and such, it takes while for shit to kick in. So if the economy is jumping and you make a bad move, we do not see those changes for a while. We right now are seeing the downfall of clintons first term where he signed the NAFTA and GATT treaties into effect. THAT IS WHY WE ARE IN DEFICIT. Secondly clinton was a communist, plain and simple. He gave our nuclear secrets to china, never ever stuck his head out to protect our country like bush. He allowed sept. 11 to happen. If he would ahve done something about the US. Embassy in Kenya or the U.S.S Cole bombings Sept. 11 might not have happened. Top top it off he even cheats on his wife and commits a moral sin. Let me list this out for you so we can reflect

1. Signed NAFTA treaty (Takes away jobs from amercians).

2. Signed GATT treaty (Even worse than NAFTA).

3. Gives away government nuclear secrets to one of our enimies Red China.

4. Because of NAFTA and Gatt destroyed our economy, we are reaping those effects now.

5. Cheats on his wife.

Me, I am not a bush fan. I will however take bush any day of the week over clinton.

"2) Yes, it's too bad that Buchanon wants me and my ilk to be shot on sight, or possibly burned. That's a bummer on my behalf. Damn."

On what grouds do you say this. When has ever said let's kill the gays. He doesn't agree with your atance sexually, neither do I. That is disgusting, show any guy some gay male porn and ask him what he thinks about gay people then. Let me know what happens.

"3) this point just constantly irks me. Clinton gets impeached for something have LITERALLY ZERO to do with his political job. He had sex with an intern while married. That's not good, no. No arguement there. But Conservatives love to make that like he was the second coming of Satan. Politically, he did an incredible job as President of the US."

He committed a moral sin. Hell getting impeached is the least they should have done. With morals at america at an all time low, you want for kids to grow up and think they can cheat on their spouse with no punishment to back it up? Then in order to justify yourself you talk about the bush daughters? Bush's daughters should not reflect on Bush, he did nothing wrong. In clintn's case he was the person committing the act. Not just one time mind you, but with many (Lewinski,P. Jones, Gennifer Flowers).

Let me tell you that after you have made these comments I must say, you are a lefty jackass. You definitly have blinders on to anything but the leftist media. Please, PLEASE tell me I am wrong.

--Rob

January 14, 2003

So you think that nebulous 'morality' arguments effectively nullify most of Annie's points. Sure thing. Let's have another political argument where the far-right wing doesn't have to provide any facts because God came to them in a fucking dream and told them they were right. Clinton was a Communist and allowed Sept. 11th to happen? Gays are morally wrong? I'm not even going to touch the idea of Clinton being impeached for 'moral' reasons. If we were going to impeach presidents based on ethics, Bush would've been tossed out on his ass already for the Texas Rangers deals, the burning of 88,000 copies of Fortunate Son, dodging Vietnam through the National Guard and then ducking out of that just in time to avoid a drug test, and the Harken fiasco and the resulting SEC investigations.

Oh, wait, you prefer Buchanan to Bush, correct? The man who wrote this about Hitler in 1977:

"Those of us in childhood during the war years were introduced to Hitler only as caricature. ... Though Hitler was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to the core, a man who without compunction could commit murder and genocide, he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier's soldier in the Great War, a political organizer of the first rank, a leader steeped in the history of Europe, who possessed oratorical powers that could awe even those who despised him."

Or maybe this bit of Holocaust revisionism, a comment on the diesel exhaust used in the Treblinka death chamber from his column of March 17, 1990:

"The problem is: Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody."

Sure they don't. 850,000 people died of the fuckin' flu, Pat.

Here's some more rational goodness!

"Women are simply not endowed with the same measure of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." - Pat Buchanan

"We are in the process of destroying the one working economy [in lower Africa -- South Africa] -- because it doesn't adopt an idiotic 'One man, one vote' regimen." -- Pat Buchanan

"Promiscuous homosexuals appear literally hell-bent on Satanism and suicide." - Pat Buchanan 10/17/90

So, Rob, next time you want to take the moral high ground in an argument, try supporting someone who's not a sexist, bigoted, pseudo-fascist, Nazi-defending, bible-thumping, Holocaust-revising piece of dogshit, huh?

And spare me the "quotes taken out of context" nonsense and a three-page refutation. I've got all my sources in order in case your narrow little mind can't think of an appropriate verse of scripture to preserve your precious peace of mind and you want to see 'em. And I really don't give much of a shit what you have to say in response, since your opinion is pretty much invalidated in my eyes by all the fun research I've done on your buddy Buchanan -- I just take a little bit of offense when some unthinking Whore for Jesus decides to come down on a friend of mine with half-assed bullshit arguments.

Have a nice day.

K.

January 14, 2003

I'm sorry, what did bush do wrong with the texas rangers? The only thing I remember is him taking a shitty franchise, pumping money into it an selling it for a profit, a nice one I might add. Maybe I missed something but that's capitalism baby, and I love it. Bush burned books? I never heard that. I also never heard he was a draft dodger and a drug user, how about some credible sources.

"Those of us in childhood during the war years were introduced to Hitler only as caricature. ... Though Hitler was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to the core, a man who without compunction could commit murder and genocide, he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier's soldier in the Great War, a political organizer of the first rank, a leader steeped in the history of Europe, who possessed oratorical powers that could awe even those who despised him."

Like I said before, no one is perfect. First off before he says anything he lables hitler as a fascist,rascist anti-semetic. So what's wrong? He was describing hitler before the whole Nazi Era began.

"Or maybe this bit of Holocaust revisionism, a comment on the diesel exhaust used in the Treblinka death chamber from his column of March 17, 1990:

"The problem is: Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody."

Sure they don't. 850,000 people died of the fuckin' flu, Pat."

Once again, we post a quote and not a link to the column. God knows what the hell he was talking about. Could be a number of things, and I don't know if diesel fuel is different and may not kill people, that is not my area of expertise, how about yours?

It is however a known fact that the russians did over estimate and inflate the number of people who died in concentration camps in germant and poland. In Auschwitz the original figure was about 4 million but in 89 they revised the number to 1.1 . What I am saying is what do you really know about the holocaust yourself? The only information we have is what the russian government, (who were led under Stalin) gave us. On top of that they inflated the number by 4 times. The holocaust is interpreted differently all around the world. If you want to discuss this matter it will have to have a thread of it's own, because it would take a while.

"Here's some more rational goodness!

"Women are simply not endowed with the same measure of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." - Pat Buchanan

"We are in the process of destroying the one working economy [in lower Africa -- South Africa] -- because it doesn't adopt an idiotic 'One man, one vote' regimen." -- Pat Buchanan

"Promiscuous homosexuals appear literally hell-bent on Satanism and suicide." - Pat Buchanan 10/17/90"

Well like the other quotes, they are only quotes with no sources behind them. I tried looking up his column archives but I could only get to 1999. OK so he doesn't feel women are on the same scale of success of men, Big deal. I do not agree with him on this but, I believe I am the minority. Go ask some guys what they think about this.

I have no idea about what he is talking about in South Africa, I don;t think the quote has any relevance.

On his quote about homosexuals. Honestly, I know 1 gay male and a few gay or bi females. I am friendly with them all. As long as it is not out in the open and oooozing of gayness, I am fine. It is the gay people of america who flaunt their gayness and then expect not to get comments like this. You are the minority of the minority, in any country in any time in history the minority always gets backlash upon them by who? I said who? That's right, the majority. Buchanan is not alone on this.

"So, Rob, next time you want to take the moral high ground in an argument, try supporting someone who's not a sexist, bigoted, pseudo-fascist, Nazi-defending, bible-thumping, Holocaust-revising piece of dogshit, huh?"

Well with the info you provide he seems like a regular american to me. See Above

"

And spare me the "quotes taken out of context" nonsense and a three-page refutation. I've got all my sources in order in case your narrow little mind can't think of an appropriate verse of scripture to preserve your precious peace of mind and you want to see 'em. And I really don't give much of a shit what you have to say in response, since your opinion is pretty much invalidated in my eyes by all the fun research I've done on your buddy Buchanan -- I just take a little bit of offense when some unthinking Whore for Jesus decides to come down on a friend of mine with half-assed bullshit arguments."

Well it's obvious by this that you admit you are close minded. I can also tell you are not christian. Why not list whole speaches instead of just quotes. Here is an example.

Let's say I say "Bill Clinton was great at manpulating people" and then "Nazi's are good killers"

You could quote me as

"Bill Clinton was great" and "Nazi's are good"

You see what I am getting at. Come at me with some real info, or don't come at all.

--Rob

January 14, 2003

I find this quite hilarious at this point.

Yes I am liberal but let's make one thing perfectly clear here. Bills, and laws, do not take approximatly, oh, 8 years to develop. The "Riding Reagan's coattails" argument is a tired tired arguement with no economical standpoint. Did you go to college with a degree in economics? I don't think so, sit down and hush junior. Can I prove this myself? No, however I did find Harvard's report on the best/worst Economic terms of presidency, combined with what they did to help/hurt their cause. Number one? why Clinton's second term, when the effects of the signing of that wacky NAFTA and GATT treaties kicked in!

Now, I will give you this, number two, and a close one at that, was Reagan's second term. To quote harvard themselves "It broke the back of inflation" That was a good economic miracle. Too bad it was followed up by the worst presidential term economy-wise EVER in Bush's first term. A debacle any way you look at it. A gulf war that solved nothing, the highest nemployment rate on record, worst stock market showing in quite some time... it's a travesty. It's no shock America went back to the Democrats when the shit hit the fan.

See, here's my real problem, I have a huge issue with the fact that you don't care about anybody else's rights. You willingly follow a man that wants to re-instate the Jim Crow laws, take away the rights of the gays, take away the rights of the women, only to further empower White, middle class, republican males. And you know what, I'm guessing that's about where you hit. At least I HOPE so because any other descriptor about yourself makes no sense.

I hear that you're sick of the "Liberal" media... the same ones that rolled over and covered up the Bush Daughter Scandal and the Bush DWI-Cocaine scandal before he was even elected....

Do you want true reporting? True unadulterated un-biased reporting? Check this site out: www.indymedia.org

They have no political slant, they have no political agenda except making sure that stories that get covered up don't get fully covered up.

That's where you find what's really happening in america and the world. Check there, check often my friend. you may be shocked as to how the real world works.

-Annie

January 14, 2003

Once again, we post a quote and not a link to the column.

For everyone's benefit, there's this sweet little thing called 'google.' (I know, I know, I was amazed too.) See, the theory behind it is that you go to http://www.google.com, type in something you're looking for (for example, a quote you're attempting to authenticate), and come up with things like this:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/~rjg/buchanan.shtml

Of course, since it's not Buchanan's own page, you're probably going to gripe, even though there's a link to an annotated version of the whole column.

It is however a known fact that the russians did over estimate and inflate the number of people who died in concentration camps in germant and poland. In Auschwitz the original figure was about 4 million but in 89 they revised the number to 1.1 .
(SNIP)

The holocaust is interpreted differently all around the world. If you want to discuss this matter it will have to have a thread of it's own, because it would take a while.

Cites?

I have no idea about what he is talking about in South Africa, I don;t think the quote has any relevance.

Gee, let me think....

What 'controversial' voting proposal was made in South Africa? Why, in SOUTH AFRICA, would the idea of 'One Man, One Vote' be controversial? Hmm...

On his quote about homosexuals. Honestly, I know 1 gay male and a few gay or bi females. I am friendly with them all. As long as it is not out in the open and oooozing of gayness, I am fine. It is the gay people of america who flaunt their gayness and then expect not to get comments like this. You are the minority of the minority, in any country in any time in history the minority always gets backlash upon them by who? I said who? That's right, the majority. Buchanan is not alone on this.

I'm not even going to deal with this.

Well with the info you provide he seems like a regular american to me. See Above

Or this. :rolleyes:

Let's say I say "Bill Clinton was great at manpulating people" and then "Nazi's are good killers"

You could quote me as

"Bill Clinton was great" and "Nazi's are good"

This is a paranoid attitude that not only disregards grammar but could be avoided if everyone would just cite their quotes. You have a vaguely valid point, but not with the examples you gave. The main problem with context is along the lines of:

Imagine that Rob Johnstone was making an unusually grammatical and coherent post in which he mocked Clinton. It's early in the morning, so I'm going to substitute 'I need coffee' for the general anti-Clinton stuff.

If the original quote was:

I need coffee. I need coffee. I need coffee. I need coffee. I need coffee. I need coffee. I need coffee. He has his supporters. Their mantras are incessant. "Clinton was great! He dragged us out of a defecit! And yeah, that hummer really negated 8 years of prosperity," they say, rolling their eyes. Of course, this is absurd. That's like defending Hitler. Just imagine. "He dragged the Germans out of a depression. [other innocuous good things about Hitler - I dunno, his hat size or something - I'm not good at defending him, even for sarcastic purposes]." Surely you realize that sometimes the good works in a life can be negated by a terrible track record.

Then the dangers of being misquoted would be:

Clinton was great! He dragged us out of a defecit!

Of course, that can be avoided with a post cite and by including important context.

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