What steps would you take

[Guest evenflowDDT]

On Sunday (I believe, I don't have the article handy and the hell if I know how to navigate these stupid news websites to find something as simple as yesterday's news; so this is coming from memory) there was another suicide bombing tragedy in Tel Aviv, and 26 Israelis died and many more were injured. The Palestinians claim these are from fanatics acting independently, but while they've never outright endorsed suicide bombings in the past that I can recall, they've certainly done nothing to stop them. Israel's usual response is to fire missiles or retaliate, which only seems to bring further retaliation from more suicide bombers.

 

How would you handle the situation? Aside from committing mass genocide by killing every Palestinian, suicide bomber or no, I have no idea. Obviously if they're willing to give up their life so easily for something like that anyway they wouldn't seem to be afraid of any threats.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

You can't stop stuff like this from happening. People can make explosives from elementary substances, they can conceal it on their person easily, everything. All we can do is just hope that it stops soon.

[Guest El Satanico]

Well you can't really stop a suicide bombing. If someone is detrimined to do a suicide bombing it will happen.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Build a wall completely blocking off the Palestinian settlements so no one can get in or out, I believe this process is already underway...

[Guest DrTom]

The Palestinian leadership absolutely condones and supports these "suicide" bombers. (Personally, I like Rumsfeld's term of "homicide bomber," because, as he correctly points out, there are plenty of ways to commit suicide without strapping a bomb to your chest and killing innocent people.) Arafat is a documented terrorist with ties to extremist regimes in the area. He has walked out on land-for-peace negotiations. He is not interested in peace.

 

Honestly, if I were Israel, I would kill every single Palestinian, then dare their terrorist supporters to come after me. The fact that we can still talk about Palestinians in the present tense is a credit to the patience of Israel (though I certainly understand their rather sensitive position on genocide). They've tried negotiation, they've tried appeasement, they've tried piecemeal retaliation, and none have worked. Israel has exhausted its reasonable options. They are dealing with evil, and the best thing to do with evil is destroy it.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

Tell these homicide bombers that they'd live to regret it -- or say to these young men (mostly) that the 99 virgins Allah is promising them are boys...

[Guest Dopey]

The Palestinian leadership absolutely condones and supports these "suicide" bombers. (Personally, I like Rumsfeld's term of "homicide bomber," because, as he correctly points out, there are plenty of ways to commit suicide without strapping a bomb to your chest and killing innocent people.) Arafat is a documented terrorist with ties to extremist regimes in the area. He has walked out on land-for-peace negotiations. He is not interested in peace.

 

Honestly, if I were Israel, I would kill every single Palestinian, then dare their terrorist supporters to come after me. The fact that we can still talk about Palestinians in the present tense is a credit to the patience of Israel (though I certainly understand their rather sensitive position on genocide). They've tried negotiation, they've tried appeasement, they've tried piecemeal retaliation, and none have worked. Israel has exhausted its reasonable options. They are dealing with evil, and the best thing to do with evil is destroy it.

STOP THE PRESSES!!! The first time ever that Dr. Tom and Dopey agree 100%!!!

 

The only response from Dopey is: DITO!!!

[Guest EricMM]

STOP THE PRESSES!!! Dopey actually supports a somewhat valid point!

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Of course, the Palestinians get treated so badly that suicide bombers sound like a pretty reasonable option by that point.

 

Like Kotz said, it's just something that happens. Although I think the Palestinians could do a much better case if they put away the bombs and made peaceful protests.

 

DrTom's suggestion that the Jews basically turn into Nazis is hysterical.

 

I think it's really retarded how much money we send to Israel, btw.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Dr.King and Gandhi never resorted to violence. Those two men were assassinated but India became free from British rule, and the Civil Rights act was passed in large part because of Dr. King's non-violent marches.

[Zorin Industries 0]

Dr.King and Gandhi never resorted to violence. Those two men were assassinated but India became free from British rule, and the Civil Rights act was passed in large part because of Dr. King's non-violent marches.

Yes, but in the background of these peaceful protests was some terrible violence. Some men lead by example, but not everyone can follow that example.

 

P.S: I'm not trying to say Arafat is some sort of non-violent man of peace, because thats obviously ridiculos.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Yay, genocide being seriously advocated. How pleasant. All right, so the Palestinians are morons for not seeing that a few big peace protests with Israelis shooting at them would swing world sympathy decidedly in their favour. Still, being dumb doesn't mean that a whole group of people should get exterminated. And the Israeli army really isn't a nice lot of people. No, neither side in that shitty little place deserves more support than the other - it boils down to the same situation as Northern Ireland, both sides are simply a large group of cunts and should be left alone to make each other's lives misery. Oh for the day when the world ceases its oil jerk-off and we no longer have to pay any attention to the ghey Middle East. Its a tiresome place.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Yay, genocide being seriously advocated. How pleasant. All right, so the Palestinians are morons for not seeing that a few big peace protests with Israelis shooting at them would swing world sympathy decidedly in their favour. Still, being dumb doesn't mean that a whole group of people should get exterminated. And the Israeli army really isn't a nice lot of people. No, neither side in that shitty little place deserves more support than the other - it boils down to the same situation as Northern Ireland, both sides are simply a large group of cunts and should be left alone to make each other's lives misery. Oh for the day when the world ceases its oil jerk-off and we no longer have to pay any attention to the ghey Middle East. Its a tiresome place.

There is a difference, the Palestinians are blowing themselves up in public places to kill as many innocents as possible, while the army is only doing their job to protect their people. They are not targetting innocents, they are looking for the responsible ones but unfortunately all the Palestinians have this martyr mentatlity and don't allow the army access to the terrorist leaders, and instead block their way and throw freakin stones at them. What choice does the army have? It's like a headline I saw a few weeks ago titled 3 Palestinians shot dead, and I thought "man, what a shame" then I looked under the article and it said "men were attempting to ignite explosives near Israeli military base, fuck 'em then. I'm not gonna support genocide, Israel was created as a safe haven after a genocide, and if they attemped anything that extreme the world would FURTHER vilanize them and even the US would have to recind their support. I believe a wall is already under construction and that appears to be the best method,just block them off completely at this point.

[Guest DrTom]

DrTom's suggestion that the Jews basically turn into Nazis is hysterical.

What's hysterical is the number of foreign leaders who suck Arafat's dick at every opportunity. The man is a thug and a terrorist, and nothing more. He will never be anything more, and his people will never be anything more as long as he continues to "lead" them. Israel had the perfect chance to kill him a while back and passed on it. Their mistake. That might have made a difference.

[Guest razazteca]

anybody care to explain the sides for this ignorite foul who knows little about this issue?

 

to me its like the Palestinians are mad because the Jews stole their land. The Jews claim rights of land due to religious ideals and the aftermath of WWII.

 

Does all the bombing eventually come down to my religion is better than yours?

[Guest RobJohnstone]

It's my understanding that the Palestinians were nomadic people, never acually claiming that land. If that is true then I don't see why there is a problem.

 

--Rob

[Zorin Industries 0]

Israel had the perfect chance to kill him a while back and passed on it. Their mistake. That might have made a difference.

Yeah, it would have made a difference, it would have made the situation MUCH worse.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

to me its like the Palestinians are mad because the Jews stole their land. The Jews claim rights of land due to religious ideals and the aftermath of WWII.

That's pretty much what it all boils down to, of course since it's been going on for pretty much thousands of years, through various holders of the territory, that Palestinians don't want Jews on "their land" (hmmm... wonder why the Palestinians didn't put up so much violent resistance when the territory was ruled by Britain?) and the Jews don't want to give up "their land". Two people... one land. Why not just divide the territory? That's the preferred strategy from most Israeli teens/young adults. Yet somehow I don't think that'd work because enough fanatics on both sides wouldn't be satisfied enough even with that. The idea of a wall (which I hadn't heard of until now) seems to work the best, but if suicide bombers can take out people I'm sure they can take out walls as well, Heaven forbid they start traveling in packs to get the job done.

[Guest DrTom]

Why not just divide the territory?

That was tried. Land was offered in exchange for peace. Arafat walked out of the meetings.

 

He doesn't want peace, people.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Arafat and Sharon are both shifty buggers. The manipulations they've made to keep hold of their respective seats of power is astonishing. Sharon trying to ban Israeli Arabs from Parliament is despicable.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

I do not think there will ever be peace between Israel and Palestine, until one or both nations have been eradicated. Beliefs on both sides are too strong, and every time one leader eager to destroy drops off, a new one steps up.

 

Pessimistic? Certainly. Possible? It's terrible, but yes.

[Guest So what? I liked bubble boy]

On Sunday (I believe, I don't have the article handy and the hell if I know how to navigate these stupid news websites to find something as simple as yesterday's news; so this is coming from memory) there was another suicide bombing tragedy in Tel Aviv, and 26 Israelis died and many more were injured. The Palestinians claim these are from fanatics acting independently, but while they've never outright endorsed suicide bombings in the past that I can recall, they've certainly done nothing to stop them. Israel's usual response is to fire missiles or retaliate, which only seems to bring further retaliation from more suicide bombers.

 

How would you handle the situation? Aside from committing mass genocide by killing every Palestinian, suicide bomber or no, I have no idea. Obviously if they're willing to give up their life so easily for something like that anyway they wouldn't seem to be afraid of any threats.

Revelation, you know. The last book in the bible will tell you how GOD will handle this stituation. Again, GOD put these two countries at internal war like this. It's in the bible!!!!

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Yeah, because the logical answer to quell this situation is to wait for god to send hordes of locusts to eat all of their bombs, and then the angel of death can take every first born son.

 

Other than as a cause, religion bears no relevance in this war. It's pretty clear to me that both sides have abandoned all that's good in their respective teachings in favor of crude claymores strapped to their chests.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Sharon trying to ban Israeli Arabs from Parliament is despicable.

No, it really isn't. If they were given power they could theoretically kick out Israeli control and vote for it to become an Arab state, and there goes Israel.

For the guy looking for more info on the conflict, the Arabs dont want peace. They hate Jews, they hate Israel and they hate democracy and they don't want to share anything, as has been pointed out there have been land for peace offers and Arafat and friends have not accepted them. Also almost immediately after Israel's existance started all the Arab countries in the region decalred war on them, and Israel KICKED ALL THEIR ASSES every time gaining even more land in the process (AND even giving back most of what was won just to try to gain peace). All the other Arab countries in ther region are the antagonists, instead of welcoming the Palestinians to live as citizens in their countries, they have BANISHED them from ever becoming citizens until they kick out the Israelis, thus making them permanent refugees and perpetuating the violence. They're basically scum, and it's a shame that the Palestinans allow themselves to be brainwashed by violence and antisemitism. BUILD THE WALL.

[Guest So what? I liked bubble boy]

Yeah, because the logical answer to quell this situation is to wait for god to send hordes of locusts to eat all of their bombs, and then the angel of death can take every first born son.

 

Other than as a cause, religion bears no relevance in this war. It's pretty clear to me that both sides have abandoned all that's good in their respective teachings in favor of crude claymores strapped to their chests.

Yeah, because the logical answer to quell this situation is to wait for god to send hordes of locusts to eat all of their bombs, and then the angel of death can take every first born son.

 

 

JOKE, this isn't the story of Moses.

 

Other than as a cause, religion bears no relevance in this war.

 

 

CAN ANYONE SAY: "PROMISED LAND??????????"

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

There is a difference, the Palestinians are blowing themselves up in public places to kill as many innocents as possible, while the army is only doing their job to protect their people. They are not targetting innocents, they are looking for the responsible ones

How do you know that?

 

Simple, you take the Israelis side for it. Don't worry, I do, too. Just to a shorter extent, I guess. I can find no way to justify the suicide bombers.

 

While I too would be pissed and saddened if the mini-mall two blocks away got bombed like is so common in Israel, this talk about how the army are just enforcing peace and nothing more is horseshit and needs to stop. There are enough Palestinians with abominable living conditions, enough Palestinians working their asses off for the Israelis, and enough children who died because they threw a rock at an armed soldier to debunk that myth.

 

NOBODY is on the higher ground.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

What's hysterical is the number of foreign leaders who suck Arafat's dick at every opportunity. The man is a thug and a terrorist, and nothing more. He will never be anything more, and his people will never be anything more as long as he continues to "lead" them. Israel had the perfect chance to kill him a while back and passed on it. Their mistake. That might have made a difference.

Well, that certainly makes a LOT more sense than what you were saying before.

 

However, he was becoming very irrelevant until they decided to come in and bulldoze most of his digs with a tank.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Dropping bombs on a heavily populated city is not just trying to target bad guys. Accept when it is Iraqi citizens it slips into that "special" category shrub likes to call, "collateral damage"

[Guest Tim]

Honestly, if I were Israel, I would kill every single Palestinian, then dare their terrorist supporters to come after me.

 

Tell me Doc, what is the extent of this proposal? Does it include Palestinian Christians? What about Palestinian Jews? Palestinians living overseas? Hey, a friend of mine has a Palestinian father, so I guess he MUST die.

It is people like you, who refuse to compromise, negotiate, or any similar action (on both sides), who are responsible for the bloodshed.

Honestly, that is the stupidest thing I have read on a message board ever.

[Guest DrTom]

It is people like you, who refuse to compromise, negotiate, or any similar action (on both sides), who are responsible for the bloodshed.

You didn't do well in reading comprehension, did you?

 

Israel HAS TRIED negotiations. They've tried compromise. They've tried appeasement. Nothing works. Arafat isn't interested in peace. Palestine continues its terrorist attacks against Isreael, and Israel is forced to retaliate, and the vicious circle continues. The only way they'll really end it is to go into the Palestinian lands and kill everyone. They've tried the other options, and none have worked.

 

CWM, if you want to post in CE, why not use your normal screen name?