Guest Still Fly Report post Posted January 7, 2003 The Giants Niners game on Sunday will be remembered by me as one of the WORST commentated games ever. Chris Collinsworth in the last few minutes was horrendous. First off he was annoying the whole game. Secondly he MISINFORMED the viewer on the pass interfernce call by saying there was a pently when there wasnt. Then he goes on saying that the Giants kicker should have spike the ball. Hey Chris, thats called INTENTIONAL GROUNDING. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT YOU DOOFUS. On top of that JIMMY JOHNSON agreed with him. HOW CAN A 2 TIME SUPER BOWL COACH MAKE A MISTAKE LIKE THAT. IF YOUR GOING TO BE A COMMENTATOR YOU SHOULD AT LEAST KNOW THE RULES. Fox really dropped the ball on that one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted January 7, 2003 Didn't they rip on the CFL a little, too? Stupid fuckers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted January 7, 2003 I remember Cris calling a pass interference call so I was wondering why the game was over. I hate that fucker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jimmy no nose Report post Posted January 8, 2003 There was pass interference, it just wasn't called, still Collinsworth shouldn't have said it until he was sure. He had me thinking the Giants had the game won too. Also that whole Spike The Ball thing made me think the Giants holder was the dumbest man alive, but it turns out he did one of few things he could have done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted January 8, 2003 He called for it when he saw the flags get thrown, and assumed that is what it was. play by play teams do that EVERY week, because they always assume a flag on a running play is HOLDING, whether the play by play guys saw it or not..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest geniusMoment Report post Posted January 8, 2003 All the holder would have had to have done is thrown the ball at the kicker and they would have gotten another play, so he is still the dumbest man alive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted January 8, 2003 There WAS interference on that play. Interestingly enough, the chap flagged for being illegally downfield had reported as an eligible receiver. It seems the referees botched two things there. The Giants failed to protest, though, which rather puzzles me. A lot of people were unaware that you can only spike a ball if you take the snap from under center, me included. Of course, he could have dashed outside the tackles and fired a pass out of bounds, which would have given the Giants another try. Or just move forward as far as you can, kneel on the ball and call your last timeout. Oh well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted January 8, 2003 They were out of timeouts, though. He should've just chucked it out of bounds, but more importantly, they should've got a long snapper who wasn't a retired fuckup. I heard that guy talking post-game on ESPN, and the poor sap sounded like he was about to go home and off himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kkktookmybabyaway Report post Posted January 8, 2003 At least Summerall wasn't doing the commentary -- He wouldn't have know what city he was in... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Still Fly Report post Posted January 8, 2003 Just to clear things up. I know there was uncalled pass interference that should have been there but Collinsworth said the 3 flags were for pass interference AND ineleglible players downfield which would have resulted in offsetting peneltys. The guy called for inelegible recevier was not the guy trying to catch the ball it was number 65 who was called. Pass interfernce should have been called giving the Giants an untimed down. But the kicker did the right thing i guess trying to throw the ball downfield. There was only six seconds left. Thats not a lot of time to think about stuff like that. My main beef in with Collinsworth misleading the viewer with penelties and rules Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted January 8, 2003 But the kicker did the right thing i guess trying to throw the ball downfield. It was the holder, and no, he did the wrong thing. He should have fired the ball out of bounds, keeping a tick or two on the clock, or knelt on it and called their last time-out (I'm pretty certain they had one left; the Niners called their last trying to ice the kicker). Heaving a desperation pass to an offensive lineman should have been WAY down on the list of options. I can't really blame Collinsworth for saying the flags were for defensive pass interference and an illegal man downfield. Both fould happened on the play, and he was observant enough to notice it. Obviously, he was more observant than the officials, and the Giants' coaches, who said nothing when their perfectly eligible man was called for being illegally downfield. (They had another chap who was down there illegally, but he's not the one who was flagged.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Still Fly Report post Posted January 8, 2003 Yeah my mistake it was the holder. But you have to admit that in the heat of battle your not going to kneel on a bad snap and expect to call a timeout. 6 seconds is not a lot of time. If he had kneeled time would have ran out anyway. The holder saw his eleglible receveir and IMO did the right thing since every football team on all levels practices a bothced snap play. It could have worked but it didnt. But I could be wrong. Again my whole thing with Collinsworth is with his lack of knowlegde of the NFL rulebook. He was screaming at the holder that he should have spiked it not knowing it would be intentional grounding thus the game was over. A commentator should at least know the rulebook before ranting and raving on something that is incorrect. He should at least show some professionalism at his job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest undisputedjericho Report post Posted January 9, 2003 65 - Tam Hopkins was lined up as a guard therefore ineligible reciever. However, 69-Rich Seubert was lined up as a tight end and even told the officials before the game he would be lined up there, so he was eligible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted January 9, 2003 6 seconds is not a lot of time. If he had kneeled time would have ran out anyway. The thing is, he had plenty of time. This is what he could have done: 0:06: takes bad snap 0:05: gets up with the ball 0:04: takes a step forward and kneels with the ball 0:03: calls final TO. Then it's 4th down, with plenty of time to try the kick again. The holder saw his eleglible receveir and IMO did the right thing since every football team on all levels practices a bothced snap play He did the absolutely wrong thing. If it were fourth down when they kicked, then I'd agree with you: at that point, you HAVE to make something of the play. But the Giants kicked on third down precisely because it gave them another chance if something went awry. The holder should have been aware of the better options he had, and considering SF called a time-out, the Giants' coaches had plenty of time to make sure he knew exactly what he was doing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
